Don't see the problem with games at 30fps. 'Tis what I cap me games at, and it ain't bad at all. Hell, Dark Souls has a 30fps cap and that game's pretty damn legit.
I just have to assume you have not spent much time gaming at 60 FPS for this to be acceptable to you. For myself, and many others, 30 FPS is vomit inducing. If I played a 1st person/over the shoulder view game at 30 FPS, within 30 mins, I'll be laid out on my bed trying not to vomit. It's pretty much like motion sickness to me and some others. Not to mention it's simply hard to use a mouse at such low FPS.
I never said that 60FPS isn't better! But if I have no option but 30FPS and I like the game then I will play it.I don't know how the first point leads to the second. I play quite a few games with a PC hooked up to my TV and with a gamepad and I much prefer 60fps to 30fps
You assume wrong. I can't say anything about your medical condition.I just have to assume you have not spent much time gaming at 60 FPS for this to be acceptable to you. For myself, and many others, 30 FPS is vomit inducing. If I played a 1st person/over the shoulder view game at 30 FPS, within 30 mins, I'll be laid out on my bed trying not to vomit. It's pretty much like motion sickness to me and some others. Not to mention it's simply hard to use a mouse at such low FPS.
I did play in those days and I didn't play many FPS games. I did play Far Cry and Crysis. Both games required me to play in short spurts. Crysis wasn't as bad as Far Cry, as tech was getting faster then, and with lowered settings, Crysis gave me better FPS. It wasn't until I started playing at higher FPS, that I realized that low FPS was the cause of this issue. I also knew quite a lot of gamers in MMORPG's that never played FPS, because they too had nausea issues when playing them. I wonder just how many people won't play first person shooters due to nausea, who could play them with higher FPS. I know a few that can after learning that it helped a ton.You assume wrong. I can't say anything about your medical condition.
I assume you either weren't part of PC gaming back then or you never played the original Crysis for several years. We all played it at 30FPS mostly.
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I used to have issues with headaches from certain first person games. Fortunately they disappeared all by themselve.I did play in those days and I didn't play many FPS games. I did play Far Cry and Crysis. Both games required me to play in short spurts. Crysis wasn't as bad as Far Cry, as tech was getting faster then, and with lowered settings, Crysis gave me better FPS. It wasn't until I started playing at higher FPS, that I realized that low FPS was the cause of this issue. I also knew quite a lot of gamers in MMORPG's that never played FPS, because they too had nausea issues when playing them. I wonder just how many people won't play first person shooters due to nausea, who could play them with higher FPS. I know a few that can after learning that it helped a ton.
As I said in my first post, 1st person and over the shoulder view games cause the issue. Though over the shoulder games aren't as bad. It's just difficult to write "1st person and over the shoulder view games", over and over, so I just stick to first person view when talking about it.I used to have issues with headaches from certain first person games. Fortunately they disappeared all by themselve.
Mafia 3 is not a first person game and you absolutely don't need to and should actually not be playing it with a keyboard mouse.
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The biggest issue is that devs are targeting the Consoles and then doing the PC as a port or afterthought. If PCs were the target platform, these type of problems wouldn't exist.When will devs figure this s*t out? It's such a basic thing, 60 FPS and real resolutions for the PC version is all you need. They could have saved themselves from so much rabid controversy, which I'm also getting tired of, if they just delayed the PC version by a couple of weeks to get that stuff sorted out. People would be miffed about the delay, but the backlash would be like 1/100th of the backlash for this.
My observation is that it appears the industry will never learn that if you mess up the PC version, everyone on the internet mercilessly rips the game apart, permanently damaging the game's image. Once you get those mixed reviews on Steam, you're in trouble. Targeting consoles is not a suitable reason for this sort of screwup, because doing something like this harms the company far more than either delaying it/not putting it on PC/making it a timed console exclusive. I simply don't understand how studios let this happen.The biggest issue is that devs are targeting the Consoles and then doing the PC as a port or afterthought. If PCs were the target platform, these type of problems wouldn't exist.
30 fps is crap. Maybe in Civ 5 it is okay. I can't play console games, because 30 fps is crap.
It is dreadful. Especially galling on PC where we are supposed to have a choice. As for DS, lol, playing that at 60FPS with the resolution turned up was a revelation. It was a completely different game. And yes, the framerate in that game hurt the gameplay. You can't tell me you didn't find Blighttown to be a near disaster running at or below 30FPS at times with the hostile enemies and environment. It would have been so much more enjoyable to play that section of the game at 60FPS+.
My observation is that it appears the industry will never learn that if you mess up the PC version, everyone on the internet mercilessly rips the game apart, permanently damaging the game's image. Once you get those mixed reviews on Steam, you're in trouble. Targeting consoles is not a suitable reason for this sort of screwup, because doing something like this harms the company far more than either delaying it/not putting it on PC/making it a timed console exclusive. I simply don't understand how studios let this happen.
I am quite frankly shocked at what I read around here, 30FPS acceptable? I thought this was supposed to be an enthusiast forum? 60FPS in PC land is widely recognized as the bare minimum for an enjoyable experience, and if you can't hit that, then you lower your settings, but 60+FPS is the standard here. You cut that in half and you have a slideshow. 30FPS on PC is sacrilege unless you play in 4K with everything maxed out, but even then you would lover your settings to get more responsible gameplay. 2K messed up here big time.
Your post is about poor coding problems, rather than the benefits of 60 FPS on its own. Assuming the games engine performed properly at 60 FPS, I have a hard time imagining 60 FPS wouldn't be much better in every aspect.As someone who got to Dark Souls 1 on PC long after the mods, and patches, the frame limit remover actually did change the game. It made it worse, for me. It reduces your weapon durability, it changes the timing for evasion and reduces your invincibility frames, it shortens the length of your roll and jump, and worse by changing the animation and hit detection you get nailed by swings/actions you aren't even in the line of anymore.
I'm glad you mentioned Blighttown because there is a short cut there that requires a jump. I missed the jump 9/10 with 60 FPS, at 30 FPS I nailed it every single time. Same with trying to get up to the bird to get back to the asylum. The expletives I screamed when I'd watch some youtuber "just roll onto the platform" and I'd fall every single time not understanding why.
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DS1 actually benefits more from 30 FPS. At least if you don't want to get frustrated with random deaths at attacks you could have sworn you dodged.
I'd take DS1 30FPS over 60FPS any day. Resolution mod, you got that right. 720p native is HORRENDOUS and DS1 is actually beautiful when not restricted to such a low resolution.
However, to your actual stance - I'd take 60 FPS any day of the week if it doesn't break game mechanics (NFS, I'm looking at you!)
(but now with G-sync, I find 32 FPS more than acceptable haha).
Nope. If I had an i7 2600k, I might try for 60fps, but man, 30fps ain't anywhere near as dreadful as people keep talking about.
'Course, there are a couple games that use an awful timer in their renderer, making 30fps feel janky, but they're exceptions. Most notable one would be Mount And Blade.
It's just as dreadful as people make it seem when you know better.
There are exceptions, slower paced games are livable with 30fps but still nice to have the fluidity of 60+
Been playing New Vegas, Skyrim, Fallout 4 'n' Dark Souls with a 30fps cap just fine.Emulators do fine with that as well, so I can't say I understand all the hubbub.
Edit: Brain fart, me Dolphin games were running at 60, not 30.