LOL. Mafia III is a 30FPS locked POS

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moonbogg

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60FPS is when you get pissed off because your rig actually dipped that low. Its the new min framerate, ideally of course. Its hard to stay above it ALL the time. Also, there are a few magical exceptions, like Crysis 3. That game looks and feels great even at lower FPS ranges. The game is just made awesome as hell. Also, DOOM feels great even when FPS drops. All other games blow, however.
 
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Raduque

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60FPS is when you get pissed off because your rig actually dipped that low. Its the new min framerate, ideally of course. Its hard to stay above it ALL the time. Also, there are a few magical exceptions, like Crysis 3. That game looks and feels great even at lower FPS ranges. The game is just made awesome as hell. Also, DOOM feels great even when FPS drops. All other games blow, however.
FH3 is supposedly butter-smooth at 30fps too.
 

moonbogg

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FH3 is supposedly butter-smooth at 30fps too.

Until you try to steer and the car turns left an hour after you move the control stick. Delayed like a Christmas gift in March, but smooth I guess, sure.
 

SteveGrabowski

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I pirated this and with the patch I need to drop to 1080p low to get a mostly 60 fps (not a locked 60 fps, this still has drops into the 50s). With a Xeon E3-1231v3 and a GTX 970. I mean this system can crank settings and still get 60 fps in games like Witcher 3, GTA V, Crysis 3, Rise of the Tomb Raider, I mean games that look absolutely stunning graphically. And I'm dropping to ****ing low to get a decent framerate at the beginning stage with what should still be killer hardware for 1080p gaming. It's not impressive graphically either.




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Erenhardt

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Don't panic. Its all good now


Still, the game imho needs optimizations. It is not terrible, but 1080 struggle to lock 60 fps at 1080 in a game that looks like this is nothing to brag about.

And hey, another game where Grandpa FX flexes its muscles:
 

Shivansps

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Really now ??

yes, before PS4 crap like this did not happen, Mafia 3 is a regression compared to the 2 in almost every way, even graphics, we had shitty ports and some games where dumbed down, yeah, but this?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=ixlszwKVVP0

And to make things worse, devs on pc are now wasting time on DX12 marketing, instead of making better games.

The PC gaming industry is going down the toilet, and all this started when AMD signed a pact with the devil, like it or not.


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postmortemIA

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So called AAA games are crap, just like your Superman 6 or Spiderman v.2 2

With so many great indie titles out there, who cares about Console ports of rehashed games?
 

HeXen

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Looks like a less detailed version of GTA 5 and no first person option. I did enjoy Mafia 2 with the first person mod though, played really well.
 

AtenRa

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yes, before PS4 crap like this did not happen, Mafia 3 is a regression compared to the 2 in almost every way, even graphics, we had shitty ports and some games where dumbed down, yeah, but this?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=ixlszwKVVP0

And to make things worse, devs on pc are now wasting time on DX12 marketing, instead of making better games.

The PC gaming industry is going down the toilet, and all this started when AMD signed a pact with the devil, like it or not.

Funny because in the other Topic everyone praised Gears Of War 4 (DX-12 for the PC), that was made for XBone that it is even inferior to PS4 in Graphics power.
And here you are saying AMD is responsible for Mafia III, that is a new one.
 

Azix

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yes, before PS4 crap like this did not happen, Mafia 3 is a regression compared to the 2 in almost every way, even graphics, we had shitty ports and some games where dumbed down, yeah, but this?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=ixlszwKVVP0

And to make things worse, devs on pc are now wasting time on DX12 marketing, instead of making better games.

The PC gaming industry is going down the toilet, and all this started when AMD signed a pact with the devil, like it or not.

so rather than it being due to a change in developer, possibly change in engine, possibly a budget issue etc, its AMDs fault...

really...

And I am not sure the graphics look worse. The one in mafia 2 is sharper but I think mafia 3 has more effects. Most of the things mentioned in the video are minor changes that could be due to negligence or simply not finding them important. The major improvement that they don't seem to market much, from the little I have seen, is the detail in the cutscenes. The cutscenes really add to the story and make you want to keep playing. But the other aspects may not be as great. They certainly need to get the game running better so its at least more enjoyable in that aspect.

language... obv

https://youtu.be/e3ge9yf7sZg?t=17m13s
 
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Don't panic. Its all good now


Still, the game imho needs optimizations. It is not terrible, but 1080 struggle to lock 60 fps at 1080 in a game that looks like this is nothing to brag about.

And hey, another game where Grandpa FX flexes its muscles:

What a poorly written piece of junk. These people need to license a third party engine instead of trying to do it on their own, because clearly they're no good at it.
 

thesmokingman

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I'm not sure whats more dumb, making that chart up or if they actually went thru the trouble of running all of those cards in a lock fps game to make the chart. Nice troll either way.

Bet those Titan XP buyers are feeling like real fools now. Can't even beat an RX 480 in a modern AAA game.

 

RussianSensation

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This game is 100% pure crap, thank you consoles, thank you AMD by sabotaging PC industry, ill stick with Mafia 1&2.

This is cringe-worthy to read. PS4/XB1 never stopped great developers from making beautiful 1st and 3rd party games such as The Order 1886, DriveClub, Deus Ex Mankind Divided, Rise of the Tomb Raider, Uncharted 4, Infamous First Light/Second Son, Doom, Forza Horizon 3, Crysis 3, etc. Upcoming Horizon Zero Dawn looks amazing. I bet Ghost Recon Wildlands will look great on the PC too.

It's obvious what happened here -- the development studio had no $. As a result, they used a modified version of Mafia II game engine for this title. The Illusion Engine's history goes back prior to 2010 as it was developed specifically for 7th generation consoles (Xbox 360/PS3). It's actually much worse since the Illusion Engine even traces its roots back to Illusion Softworks which underlined 2002's Mafia: The City of Lost Heaven. Illusion Engine itself is an evolution of LS3D engine, the engine which was made for Mafia 1, Wings of War and Chameleon. It's possible the roots of the current Mafia 3 engine can be traced back even farther back than the year 2010.

For Mafia 3, there is nothing next gen or advanced to make it a 2016 title -- and AMD is not to blame for any of it. Facial animations are made via FaceFX from OC3 Entertainment. AI is based on Kynapse from Autodesk. Audio and video components are made via FMOD and Bink. There is no advanced underlying physics engine of any kind (and no PhysX since NV is no longer a marketing sponsor). Second, the company clearly didn't even have $ to do a proper port. The Russian version doesn't even have Russian voice overs - it's just English captions/translation overlaid on the screen.

The level of optimization in driving scenes is simply unacceptable. GTX780Ti, R9 390, GTX970, GTX980 cannot even hit 40 fps average at 1080p. At 1440p, everything below GTX1080 cannot even hit 40 fps.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/mafia_iii_vga_graphics_performance_benchmark_review,6.html
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/mafia-iii-vga-graphics-performance-benchmark-review,7.html

The failures of this title in terms of graphics, performance, production value, and selling out to Sony for PS4 Pro specific graphical updates have 0 to do with AMD:

Creative Director Haden Blackman confirmed as much in an interview with Gadgets 360.

"I’m always excited about new technology because it means we can push our art even further. For the PS Pro specifically, we’ll add some graphics upgrades."

I feel bad for Hangar 13 developers since they probably worked very hard on this title, but more likely than not were never given the proper financial and human resources to make a great Mafia II successor.

The console bashing and all the blame for poorly optimized console ports aimed at AMD "gimping consoles" is getting tiresome to read. Sony and MS no longer wanted to lose $ on hardware after losing so much $ during the PS3/360 generation. It was no longer viable to sell a $599 console that cost $800+ to manufacture. Besides, we know that for most AAA titles, they would not be sustainable or exist in the current form without the console userbase given how much it costs nowadays to make a massive AAA game:

"co-founder of CD Projekt Red, Marcin Iwinski, explained to them...

"If the consoles are not involved there is no Witcher 3 as it is, we can lay it out that simply. We just cannot afford it, because consoles allow us to go higher in terms of the possible or achievable sales; have a higher budget for the game, and invest it all into developing this huge, gigantic world."

We should never again expect another console generation like we had with PS3/360. Not only are MS/Sony/Nintendo unwilling to lose hundreds of millions of dollars selling hardware at a loss for a large portion of the console life-cycle, but the current prices of GPUs have increased 50-100% for a given historical tier. Flagship GPUs now sell for $800-1200, mid-range for $400-700 and low end for $180-300. It will never be viable again to sell a $399 consoles with higher end GPUs. Sony/MS will either have to increase the price of the consoles, once again lose hundreds of millions of dollars selling next gen consoles at a loss, and/or AMD/NV/Intel and all the other console part suppliers would have to lower the profit margins to 0.

There is a lot of financial risk in making blockbuster AAA games. DE:MD only sold 280K copies on PS4, 130K copies on Xbox One as of Sept 10, 2016. Project CARS only sold 230K on Xbox One.

Rise of the Tomb Raider only sold 1.29M copies on Xbox One to date, despite 22M Xbox One consoles. Super Mario 64 sold 11.89M, Mario Kart 64 sold 9.87M, Goldeneye 007 sold 8.09M, etc. Even Bomberman 64 sold 1.04M copies! Even a snowboarding game on N64 sold more units than Rise of the Tomb Raider did on Xbox One. Compare the production value and entire cost of making of 1080* Snowboarding and Rise of the Tomb Raider.......

It's why smaller studios cannot possibly to take a chance with next gen graphics and then the game's sales bomb anyway. I don't blame this on AMD, but rather on the industry's obsession of launching rushed, broken, unoptimized games for so many years that it alienated many gamers from buying games at launch. To make up for it, developers introduced DLC, which only further cemented the same gamer's stance and alienated even more gamers. Why pay $90+ for a broken/rushed/poorly optimized game when by the time it is fixed, the GOTY version or otherwise a discounted version can be purchased for 1/2 to 1/3rd the price within 12 months of release? Most likely it is the studios who rush developers to launch unfinished games or starve them for financial resources that causes a lot of these issues. There may also be fatigue from playing the same thing over and over. The gameplay in modern AAA 1st and 3rd person titles hasn't been innovated in a while. When was the last time people played a game that was very difficult to beat? There is almost no such thing anymore.
 
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IllogicalGlory

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yes, before PS4 crap like this did not happen, Mafia 3 is a regression compared to the 2 in almost every way, even graphics, we had shitty ports and some games where dumbed down, yeah, but this?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=ixlszwKVVP0

And to make things worse, devs on pc are now wasting time on DX12 marketing, instead of making better games.

The PC gaming industry is going down the toilet, and all this started when AMD signed a pact with the devil, like it or not.
Where do people come up with this? Can you explain with any level of coherency how AMD selling a desktop PC APU to game companies somehow makes them to blame for bad software design? "Pact with the devil" what does that even mean?

It's fairly simple why we're seeing this and it has nothing to do with AMD, it simply has to do with the increasing levels of complexity and man-hours required to make games these days, marketing deals with console companies and the online culture these days making every problem into an apocalyptic prophecy that serves whatever stupid agenda they want to push and links in with whatever disparate or unrelated issues they have.

Console sales are where the money are, AAA games require scores of people working ridiculously long hours to make games that the public doesn't ravenously tear apart - damaging the game and, more importantly, affecting Sony/MS's bottom line. They don't have time to bother with the PC version - they have to satisfy whatever (unreasonable, market-researched) terms the industry sets on them and those terms seem pretty simple: console first, graphics first, game second, PC a distant third.

But no, really, it's all AMD's fault for a designing and selling a processor. But hey, if it is as you say, can you please describe the world in which the consoles are powered by NV? Why is that better for PC gamers? How does that affect software designers' and console vendors' approach to making games?
 
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Raduque

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No way. You need the fps sky high to try to combat the hitching. Moonbogg is kind of spot on about the delay in control at crappy fps.
Go watch the Digital Foundry video on Forza Horizon 3 performance.

I pirated this and with the patch I need to drop to 1080p low to get a mostly 60 fps (not a locked 60 fps, this still has drops into the 50s). With a Xeon E3-1231v3 and a GTX 970. I mean this system can crank settings and still get 60 fps in games like Witcher 3, GTA V, Crysis 3, Rise of the Tomb Raider, I mean games that look absolutely stunning graphically. And I'm dropping to ****ing low to get a decent framerate at the beginning stage with what should still be killer hardware for 1080p gaming. It's not impressive graphically either.
Maybe cause you pirated it?
 

SteveGrabowski

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Maybe cause you pirated it?

That makes no sense. I got the same performance guru3d showed in RussianSensation's link. I only played the redactedfor 5 minutes anyways, it looks horrible.




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