Lollipop thread (Android 5.0)

[sweenish]

Perhaps I am an idiot. I already tried this weeks ago, and failed. However, I don't consider myself an idiot. Perhaps you do.

Setting this is up is in my opinion tricky, esp. considering some people recommend not using Google's own drivers. I guess you missed this, but I had already posted this in this thread weeks ago.

Yes, I agree with you that the OTA process is stupid. However, as should be obvious from my several posts that I disagree with you that it should be something every poster on this forum should be able to do manually and shouldn't complain about it. I will also reiterate that your arguments sound just like the 2004 Linux-on-the-desktop arguments.

Back in that period I said that Linux on the desktop was not for the mainstream, and was a problem for even advanced amateurs, given numerous installation and compatibility issues on lots of equipment. The Lotd types would then proceed to give long-winded instructions that might solve the problems, using 3rd party drivers downloaded from who knows where, and then criticize anyone who complained they were not successful with the Linux install.

For the nth time, I'm talking specifically about people posting in this thread and whining.

I've struggled with Linux before *buntu, I know what that was like. I'm not a *nix evangelist. But these tools are not that complicated to use. They simply aren't. If you had issues, it was either a bad driver install or a bad download. The process automates itself. You literally tell the phone to reboot and then tell it to install the update. It's not nearly as bad as the crazy terminal commands you were supposed to use where you had be able to tell the difference between 1, l, I, and |.

The driver, as has been said so many times, can be tricky. This is because Google's driver will require crazy steps and manual editing to work. That's why I don't recommend it. The naked driver will work out of the box, there are just a couple extra steps that have to be taken to install it. Those steps are not complicated, at least not in Windows 7 and 8. It's true that you can run into a cluster if you had installed Google's drivers before, but there are easy to use tools to make sure you completely remove Google's drivers.

But it's not even that bad with how prolific step by step guides are for this exact procedure. That's a big difference in you comparison to Linux evangelists of a decade ago. The quality of instruction has improved drastically since then, and unlike diving in the deep end in Linux, the worst that happens is it does not work. As opposed to hosing your entire system.

Whether you think it's super tricky or not is your opinion, and I won't try to sway you otherwise. I gave the caveat because it's more than just a double click. I personally don't think the process is that bad. It's also a one-time deal. Take the time to do it right the first time, and you're good to go every other time in the future.

At least you attempted to address my point. While still not actually addressing it. You also felt like giving background on why your ad hominem/red herring was supposedly justified. While it's still a logical fallacy, your reasoning points to why you would go there, at least.

 

[Tom]

I'm not saying that the way Google pushes updates doesn't need work.

I'm saying, if you're on this forum and own a Nexus device, the constant moaning about a lack of an OTA is pathetic.

I think you have a lack of understanding of forums in general and this forum in particular.

The only thing your post exposes is your nature. It's got nothing to do with Android or "Mobile Devices & Gadgets".

 

[Platypus]

there are memory leak issues that some people are reporting in 5.0.1 so it's likely that they are working that out and updates have ceased so as not to introduce this to all devices. exactly why google does a staggered rollout (though this should never have made it out the door imo).

 

[lopri]

Hey, Platypus. I kind of like your avatar. Where do I get one like yours? (Android + animal hybrid)

 

[Jinny]

I had no idea the Nexus 5 is already capable of capturing RAW data thanks to Lollipop. Wow. Even before the Nexus 6? Is this the first smartphone camera that does RAW?

http://imgur.com/a/qQkkR#0

no, the lg g2 had raw support almost a year ago..some lumia models too

 

[sweenish]

I think you have a lack of understanding of forums in general and this forum in particular.

The only thing your post exposes is your nature. It's got nothing to do with Android or "Mobile Devices & Gadgets".

I've explained my reasoning. The fact that you choose to gloss over it and make assumptions of your own is not my problem. So it would be great if you don't throw your generalizations at me when I've clearly explained myself.

I understand forums. They are not strictly Q&A locations where the ignorant gather en masse and those with knowledge do their best to put up with it. And you're right that it does reveal something about my nature. I can't stand ignorance or people who whine ceaselessly about first world problems that are self-remedied easily enough.

Oh noes, the humanity. The sad part is you trying to high-road me.

 

[sweenish]

But, I'll actually discuss Lollipop some.

But, you would rather I just didn't follow the flow and actually discuss Lollipop? I'm honestly disappointed in Android devs. 5000+ new APIs, half a year of dev previews, and next to nothing takes advantage of them. I've not heard of a single app that taps into the Gmail API. There are two apps on the market that use the new camera API. App data backup is still non-existent even on newer big-name games. Too many apps have been too slow to adopt Material Design.

Even so, I'm very pleased with Lollipop. My N7 2013 runs much smoother. I actually enjoy the animations and Material Design in general. As much as I enjoy flat design, the dimensionality is welcome. I've actually been using GEL since it launched; I like it enough to give up Nova and it's half-job of implementing MD. The memory issue is annoying, but honestly minor in that I just have to reboot my device every couple days. Play Music hasn't cut out since 5.0.1.

 

[Tom]

I've explained my reasoning. The fact that you choose to gloss over it and make assumptions of your own is not my problem. So it would be great if you don't throw your generalizations at me when I've clearly explained myself.

I understand forums. They are not strictly Q&A locations where the ignorant gather en masse and those with knowledge do their best to put up with it. And you're right that it does reveal something about my nature. I can't stand ignorance or people who whine ceaselessly about first world problems that are self-remedied easily enough.

Oh noes, the humanity. The sad part is you trying to high-road me.

I'm only pointing out the futility and meaninglessness of complaining about what people post. Including this post of mine.

 

[jhansman]

So, my 2013 N7 is still on KitKat, and about a month ago I stopped caring whether I got the update or not, especially with all the problems I've read and heard about. I caught myself in a moment of annoyance and deprivation and stopped to ask, "Really? Is having the latest version of the OS important enough to get upset about?" The answer is, of course, no, and as has been pointed out here, this really is a first-world problem. Perspective, folks. That, and your attitude are about all you get to control here.

 

[BeeBoop]

Less than one percent android users are using lollipop. Guess Google must be working on some major bugs since it seems like google has pulled the update for most people.

http://www.zdnet.com/article/android-lollipop-is-out-but-almost-no-one-is-using-it/

 

[Eug]

Less than one percent android users are using lollipop. Guess Google must be working on some major bugs since it seems like google has pulled the update for most people.

http://www.zdnet.com/article/android-lollipop-is-out-but-almost-no-one-is-using-it/

Actually, less than 1/10th of 1%:

The latest Google Play Store operating systems results are in and after six weeks out Lollipop hasn't even reached 0.1 percent of users yet.

No, you're not mis-reading the graphic. Six weeks after Android 5.0.x Lollipop was released, almost no one is running it. Google

Oh MY GOD!!! D: D: D: It's been a hand full of business days!!! How dare those #$@kers take a vacation at the end of December.

Seriously, patience is virtue :thumbsup:

Still nothing here: 2015-01-09

 

[leeland]

I finally broke down and did the side load on my 2012 nexus to 5.0.2.

Outside of a driver issue that required me to edit the .inf file to recognize my device, the process was simple.

At least the device isn't a total POS now and is somewhat responsive...I was wondering why the hell the update had not been pushed yet...

 

[podspi]

Actually, less than 1/10th of 1%:

The latest Google Play Store operating systems results are in and after six weeks out Lollipop hasn't even reached 0.1 percent of users yet.

No, you're not mis-reading the graphic. Six weeks after Android 5.0.x Lollipop was released, almost no one is running it. Google


Still nothing here: 2015-01-09

Not surprised. A lot of people will deny it, but there are major issues with Lollipop, not to mention the compatibility issues (for some mods, like xposed) which affect a lot of people who own the various Nexus devices.

I'm using it on my Nexus 7 (2013) and it definitely gets bogged down at times where in KK it would not (after running w/out reboot for a while) and app crashes are a LOT more common. And yes, this was with a complete reflash.

Currently running KK on my 1+1 and will probably hold off on the LP updated for a while. The phone is just running too great right now.

 

[jhansman]

Less than one percent android users are using lollipop. Guess Google must be working on some major bugs since it seems like google has pulled the update for most people.

http://www.zdnet.com/article/android-lollipop-is-out-but-almost-no-one-is-using-it/

No doubt. Smart of Google to stop updating when they did. Must be some heavy testing going on.

 

[KeithP]

FWIW, today I got my Lollipop update (5.0.2) on my Moto G 2nd gen that I am using on T-mobile. I am not part of the Motorola Feedback Network so I assume this isn't part of their soak test and it is actually starting to roll out.

-KeithP

 

[openwheel]

Actually, less than 1/10th of 1%:

The latest Google Play Store operating systems results are in and after six weeks out Lollipop hasn't even reached 0.1 percent of users yet.

No, you're not mis-reading the graphic. Six weeks after Android 5.0.x Lollipop was released, almost no one is running it. Google


Still nothing here: 2015-01-09

:whiste: Would you like a massage and hot tea too? Don't you understand when they get the update ready for your device it will be rolled out in phases?

You are running the original Nexus 7 which is from July of 2012. You ought to be the last to get updated, since Google Big Brother has seen your posts and now has halted update on your specific device.

It's funny how some like to complaint about the software, and they want to complaint about not getting the software they complaint about. Which is it?

 

[razel]

It's funny how some like to complaint about the software, and they want to complaint about not getting the software they complaint about. Which is it?

It's both. Lots of people feel entitled these days, but many more just love to whine instead of doing something. There are either too many women or men who complain like women... maybe both.

 

[Childs]

It's both. Lots of people feel entitled these days, but many more just love to whine instead of doing something. There are either too many women or men who complain like women... maybe both.

I believe anyone who has a Nexus device is actually entitled to this update! They have a legitimate right to feel that way.

 

[dartworth]

Running 5.0.2 on my Nexus and really like it. Used the toolkit from Skipsoft to install.

 

[Eug]

:whiste: Would you like a massage and hot tea too? Don't you understand when they get the update ready for your device it will be rolled out in phases?

You are running the original Nexus 7 which is from July of 2012. You ought to be the last to get updated, since Google Big Brother has seen your posts and now has halted update on your specific device.

It's funny how some like to complaint about the software, and they want to complaint about not getting the software they complaint about. Which is it?

It's both. The rollout was a poor one. But if the software is bad, one should complain about that too.

Personally, I think it's people like you who give Android users a bad name, because with any criticism you jump to defend it, regardless of what the criticism is. And then top that off with weird comments like you just made.

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Anyhoo, I just got the update. It's a nice aesthetic update to the OS. It's definitely laggier on my Nexus 7 2012 though, although I'm not surprised. I'll have to explore it more before I comment about the rest of the feature set, but I'll say I like the changes in the UI more than I expected, and the lagginess is a bit worse than I expected, although the latter may change as its updated more. Hopefully further point updates will speed it up a bit.

 

[poofyhairguy]

Ug, I can't wait for 5.1. Lollipop is so laggy for me compared to Kitkat.

 

[lopri]

I don't know whether (and if so, how reliably) someone else's Internet post can be a proper barometer to judge a mobile OS, but it was certainly not pleasant for me to read through this thread to find incessant crying of "WHERE IS MY PIE!" over and over again, just when I thought I had forgotten about it. It was as if on purpose, to hinder any substantial discussion over the new OS.

Nevertheless, I do not think people like her/him make a certain mobile OS (look) better or worse. It just shows that people from all walks of life use smartphones.

 

[lopri]

On topic ^^ : I have been hearing about metamorphosis of Touchwiz Lollipop, and more and more people are reporting on it. Some even goes as far as saying that Touchwiz now is faster than the "stock" Android - perhaps exaggerated and a little too excited observation but what I saw on YouTube so far have been impressive. I do not know what Samsung is waiting for?

Analysis of the Galaxy Note 3 Android 5.0 Leak

On topic 2: Does anyone use VPN, specifically OpenVPN? How does Lollipop get along with it? Every update since 4.3 has messed up OpenVPN in one way or another for me and I do not want to update my devices before knowing it has not broken anything.

 

[openwheel]

I don't know whether (and if so, how reliably) someone else's Internet post can be a proper barometer to judge a mobile OS, but it was certainly not pleasant for me to read through this thread to find incessant crying of "WHERE IS MY PIE!" over and over again, just when I thought I had forgotten about it. It was as if on purpose, to hinder any substantial discussion over the new OS.

Nevertheless, I do not think people like her/him make a certain mobile OS (look) better or worse. It just shows that people from all walks of life use smartphones.

He got his pie, but he hates because it's not an "Apple Pie".

 

[Skurge]

On topic ^^ : I have been hearing about metamorphosis of Touchwiz Lollipop, and more and more people are reporting on it. Some even goes as far as saying that Touchwiz now is faster than the "stock" Android - perhaps exaggerated and a little too excited observation but what I saw on YouTube so far have been impressive. I do not know what Samsung is waiting for?

Analysis of the Galaxy Note 3 Android 5.0 Leak

On topic 2: Does anyone use VPN, specifically OpenVPN? How does Lollipop get along with it? Every update since 4.3 has messed up OpenVPN in one way or another for me and I do not want to update my devices before knowing it has not broken anything.

I guess they want to make sure it works as they want it to before rolling it out. Stock lollipop has so many issues I cannot blame them.