Long distance outdoor (500+ ft) wired or wifi options

SithSolo1

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Long Story:

My uncle is looking to get internet access in his home, problem is the cable company won't run a cable to the house because of distance. They will not run a line over 300ft from the road. My uncle lives about 600ft behind my grandfather's house on the other side of an open field. My grandfathers house currently has cable internet and you can see my uncle's house from the window next to the modem. I know consumer routers won't reach that far but are there any possible options for getting wired or wireless internet back there that don't cost a fortune?

TL;DR:

Looking to get internet in a building on the other side of an open field, 600ft away from the source building. Wired or Wireless options?
 

thecoolnessrune

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If they will not terminate to the house, where *will* they terminate? In other words, is there an area within 300ft. of the road that is sheltered, temperature controlled, and powered, where the cable company will be willing to terminate the connection?
 

SithSolo1

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My grandfather's house is the closest building to my uncle's house. My grandfather's property is several acres but its narrow and long. My uncle lives on the back half of the lot where all the neighbors live right on the street.

I was going by what my uncle said for distances but using some calipers and google maps I came up with slight different numbers. It looks like my uncle's house is about 520ft from the road and 440ft from my grandfather's house. Still not close but shorter than the 600ft distance I had listed between buildings.
 

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One Access Point (AP) at every home. Installed outside on a Mast and using Directional Antenna to look one at the Other.

In each place the AP connects with a CAT6 wire to the main indoor Router. AP in the source works like a regular AP in the destination it should be configured as a Client Bridge.

Hardware out side should be the kind that designed for such purpose.

Example - http://www.data-alliance.net/antennas/



 

mxnerd

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My thought, possible wired solution:

600 ft = 200m and that's 2x the cat5e/cat6 limit. You can setup a post right in the middle with a weatherproof box housing the cable modem, ask cable company pull the cable and terminate there.

You then dig 300ft of trench and pull cat5e/cat6 cable (underground grade) and power cable (Southwire UF-B) from the house.

Roadside --------------- post (with weatherproof box and cable modem inside) ============ house (your wifi router & power source)
 
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wirelessenabled

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If the source of the Internet, and the destination have line of sight then wireless is no problem.

My brother shoots a wireless connection 4-5 miles across a valley from where an Internet connection is available to his house. He gets about 6mbs, not great but serviceable.

Shoot me a PM if you want the hardware specifics.
 
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SithSolo1

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Thanks for the suggestions. If I can get wireless working that'd probably be the easiest route but I'll run everything by him and see what he'd like to do.
 

Kaido

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Long Story:

My uncle is looking to get internet access in his home, problem is the cable company won't run a cable to the house because of distance. They will not run a line over 300ft from the road. My uncle lives about 600ft behind my grandfather's house on the other side of an open field. My grandfathers house currently has cable internet and you can see my uncle's house from the window next to the modem. I know consumer routers won't reach that far but are there any possible options for getting wired or wireless internet back there that don't cost a fortune?

TL;DR:

Looking to get internet in a building on the other side of an open field, 600ft away from the source building. Wired or Wireless options?

Good news, I was in this exact situation just recently! I had no idea this stuff even existed on a retail consumer level, let alone for as cheap as it is. The solution will cost you $99. You need a pair of these:

https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-NanoStation-loco-M2-Wireless/dp/B00HXT8FFI

What you are looking for is something called a "wireless backhaul" system, which is the same concept as a Pringles cantenna, but in retail format. The Loco M2is made for outdoor, line-of-sight (well, this is a 2.4ghz unit, so it can handle a bit of interference like a few trees & whatnot) , point-to-point connections - basically a long-range wireless Ethernet wire, haha. Your setup sounds perfect for this! You buy two of them, aim them at each other (doesn't need to be laser-perfect), and voila, magic cordless long-range Wi-Fi! (range is about 3 miles) You get one unit per box (currently $46 shipped; you'll need two units), which includes the antenna, a zip-tie (lets you mount it to a pole), and a PoE adapter. The PoE adapter has 2 Ethernet ports & one power cable, so all you need is a couple of Ethernet cables per access point (AP). Alternatively for mounting, they sell a combo window/wall mount for $23 shipped. You mentioned there are windows; you could just suction-cup these inside each window & point them at each other:

https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Networks-NanoStation-Window-Mount/dp/B004EHUR8U/

This is the basic installation procedure:

1. Buy two units plus some Ethernet cables, and a dumb switch or WAP for your uncle's house
2. Get a laptop (you'll want one with both Ethernet & Wi-Fi for easy setup)
3. Program the transmitter as an access point (this is the one you'll plug into the router with the Internet connection at your grandpa's house).
4. Program the receiver as a bridged station (this is the one you'll plug into a dumb switch at your uncle's house)

To program the transmitter: (do this at your grandpa's house, also note that this is wordy just because I had to write it all out, but it only takes a minute or two to do)

1. Set your laptop's Ethernet port to static, 192.168.1.19
2. Connect the laptop to the LAN Ethernet port on the PoE adapter
3. Connect the AP to the PoE Ethernet port on the PoE adapter
4. Plug in the PoE power cable
5. After it boots up (LAN light will light up green on the back of the unit), log into: https://192.168.1.20 (make sure it's httpS)
6. Default user/pass is ubnt/ubnt. Then starting on the top row of tabs:
7. Logo tab: uncheck airMax, then click the Change button in the lower-right corner
8. Wireless tab: Set mode to Access Point, check the WDS box, give your SSID a name, set channel width to 20mhz, set security to WPA2-AES, add a password (key), then click Change
9. Network tab: Should already be set to Bridge mode. Give the unit a static IP here. For example, 192.168.1.75 (or 192.168.0.75 if your grandpa's router uses 192.168.0.x). Set the gateway to 192.168.1.1. Optionally set to the DNS to whatever, like say Google (8.8.8.8), or just leave it blank (WDS transparently forwards networking requests to the router, I tested & this works left blank), then click Change.
10. System tab: Change device name to something like "Long Range Transmitter", set your time zone, change the username/password, click Change, and now finally, click Apply at the top right to save all of the changes.
11. Unplug the Ethernet cable from your laptop & move that cable to your grandpa's wireless router.
12. Try connecting your laptop to your new AP SSID & run a speedtest on Fast.com to verify operation

To program the receiver: (do this at your grandpa's house to make sure everything works before lugging it over to your uncle's house)

1. Keep your laptop's Ethernet port on static
2. Same setup as before, plug in the 2nd AP to power, LAN to laptop, PoE Eth to the AP
3. Log into https://192.168.1.20 again (ubnt/ubnt). This time on the top row of tabs:
4. Wireless tab: should be set to Station as default, next to SSID click select, find the transmitter's SSID (the one you just made above), and lock to AP using the password key. Click Change.
5. Network tab: same deal, bridge mode default, change the IP to say 192.168.1.76 & the rest, click Change.
6. System tab: Change device name to something like "Long Range Receiver", set time zone, change user/pass, click Change, click Apply.
7. Set your laptop's Ethernet port back to auto-obtain the IP address. Once the AP finishes rebooting, you should be able to connect Ethernet > Receiver AP > (wireless) > Transmitter AP > grandpa's wireless router > modem > Internet. Go to Fast.com to check your speed.

Then run down to your uncle's house & mount that puppy (there are status LED's on the back to tell you how you're doing when you're aiming) & see if you can get some Internet from far away. Now, this is just a very basic setup & is the tip of the iceberg. There's all kinds of wicked cool stuff like airView to help you set everything up & see how the signals are in your area. You can do additional configurations with the point-to-point setup using various settings as well. This is just kind of a basic "plug it together & make it work" kind of setup. Check out the online manuals & Youtube videos for more detailed instructions. But you should be able to get up & running in about 10 minutes after opening the box. I had the receiving AP plugged into a 5-port splitter with a couple of hardwired computers & they both pulled IP addresses through DHCP no problem. If your uncle wants wi-fi, just get a cheap wireless router & turn off the DHCP routing stuff so it just acts a dumb switch & AP.

Here is a photo of the AP unit next to a pen, super tiny:



This is the PoE injector next to a small wireless mouse. PoE port goes to the AP & LAN goes to your switch or computer:



The AP is weatherproof. There is a clip on the bottom that pops off to plug in the Ethernet port, as well as a reset button. In addition, there is a reset button (use a paperclip) on the bottom of the PoE injector (in case the AP itself is mounted in a location that is a pain to get to). Software is super easy. Everything is very compact. They sell outdoor-friendly Ethernet (TOUGHCable) if you want to mount it outside.
 

SithSolo1

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Holy cow thats awesome! That would work great and its cheaper than I thought it would be. Thanks for taking the time to write it all up.
 

Kaido

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Holy cow thats awesome! That would work great and its cheaper than I thought it would be. Thanks for taking the time to write it all up.

No problem, I was so excited when I found out this even existed, not to mention how cheap it was! The last time I had heard about projects like these, it involved microwave dishes & laser links and cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. Ubiquiti's latest stuff is crazy too...their 5ghz airFiber line is under $400 per AP & has a range of up to 124 miles with 500 Mbps throughput. They even have full-duplex 2 Gbps radios with a range of 12 miles! (granted, those are larger & more expensive at $3k a pop, but even Walmart sells them now!).
 

Kaido

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Looks like OP can expect around 100Mbps for download speed if using Ubiquiti Nanostation loco M2 at this distance.

https://community.ubnt.com/t5/Insta...hort-distance-any-recommendations/td-p/655519

I was doing some testing through some different obstacles (trees, old wooden house, etc.) & was able to pull down 24 Mbps off a 45 Mbps connection from about 1,500 feet away (again, with some interference, including the transmitter being inside the house with the blinds closed). Super zippy for not a lot of money or much effort! Also went down the road to my buddy's house & into his living room, which was 2 rooms in (also an older wooden house) & was able to pull in 4 Mbps through 2 walls, which I thought was pretty dang awesome!
 

mxnerd

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was able to pull down 24 Mbps off a 45 Mbps connection from about 1,500 feet away

With such cheap & easy setup, you really can't ask more than that! Anything above 20Mbps is really good enough for a lot of users & jobs.
 

Kaido

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With such cheap & easy setup, you really can't ask more than that! Anything above 20Mbps is really good enough for a lot of users & jobs.

It was literally easier & faster to setup than a Linksys wireless router. Big fan of their software & general approach to their products, at least as far as the wireless backhaul stuff goes. Of course, as I said, there's a lot more you can do with testing, setup, security, and so on - the guide above is just something to get up & running quickly. It seems like a silly thing to get excited about, but I constantly find applications where I need some kind of long-distance wireless solution, whether it's for a friend's barn in their backyard, or a business with a branch location that is close by, or even a large building where they just need a strong connection beamed to a certain location. Would love to play with their bigger toys, but then you have to get into 100-foot towers that cost $20k, get permits from the city, lighting for airplane avoidance, etc. The small stuff is cool because it's on a regular Wi-Fi band that doesn't require any kind of special license & can be quickly and easily setup just about anywhere that you have a good, clear line-of-sight.

And as always, I'm really surprised when I find something new that is awesome like this. I've been in the IT game for over a decade now, but it's so expansive that there's just always new stuff to find, even when it's been around for awhile. I only got into Aruba stuff in the last year or two...usually you have to pay like $20k for a Wi-Fi controller, now the WAP's come with a virtual controller for free! And today Google announced their own residential mesh Wi-Fi system that does exactly the same thing...a 3-pack for $300. Totally nuts! And then once in awhile you discover indispensable gems. If you do small network business IT stuff, check out stuff like BatchPatch:

https://batchpatch.com/
 

mxnerd

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Have known Nanostation for a while, but don't have a hands-on experience, so unable to recommend it to OP when replying.

Regarding batchpatch, if working in a domain controlled environment, I think most IT people will just use WSUS.
 

PliotronX

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I was about to recommend the Nanostation as well, we've had great luck wherever they are deployed.
 

Kaido

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Have known Nanostation for a while, but don't have a hands-on experience, so unable to recommend it to OP when replying.

Regarding batchpatch, if working in a domain controlled environment, I think most IT people will just use WSUS.

WSUS is like 1% of what BatchPatch can do. It's indispensable for me!
 
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mxnerd

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Yeah, WSUS is junk, but it's free.

Many businesses not willing to spend money on any 3rd party software they are not familiar with.

They would rather see IT people running around instead seeing them sitting idle.
 
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PliotronX

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True, Windows Server Backup is another "free" tool that likes to take a crap so often it hurts. MS = job security
 
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