long distance wired

[bighead82]

I currently have a Los wirless connection from my house to my father's house aprox. 900 feet I want to make it a wired connection to rule out latency and DC issues. Don't know limits on fiber for consumer end to end lenth. I do know I can run rg11 cable with two ether to coax converters and achieve my ends but what going to be the best consumer option? I want a solid line with no repeaters. ANY help would be appreciated.

 

[imagoon]

Armored MultiMode Fiber and media converters would be cheap.

 

[brshoemak]

^Agreed.

I just wanted to add in some detail.

1. Make sure your fiber media converters support the speed you want. 10/100 vs 10/100/1000 (gigabit)

2. Make sure the kinds of ends on the fiber patch cable match the kind on the media converter - most smaller media converters seem to be either LC (two smaller rectangular ends) or SC (two square ends). You might also run across ST (twist on) or MTRJ which don't seem to be as common anymore.

3. Depending on the price difference I would get at least 4-strand cable. Since each pair of strands is one connection, you would have a backup in case something happens to one of the pairs or strands. Not a requirement, but nice to have and it's better than needing to go through the process of purchasing and then replacing the whole cable.

4. Mark your run from both ends with something so, as long as the run is straight, you can figure out the location from LoS.

 

[azazel1024]

OM2+ can support distance >400 meters at gigabit speeds for 1000base-sx. So you should be covered. I'd consider putting it conduit in the ground below the frost line.

I would also consider getting a multistrand cable or laying two cables at the same time, depending on the price difference compared to one cable. As mentioned, it very well mgiht be worth the extra cost.

 

[bighead82]

I don't need to run more then 100mbps for bandwidth. My house is in a valley and the only high speed Internet is los and since his house is on the hill the antenna IS there. So what type of fiber line would I be looking for to get those speeds.

 

[imagoon]

MM OM1 is all you "need", OM2 / OM3 will cost about the same per foot and support higher speeds if you want to future proof.

What may cost much more is the permit to cross property lines and easements if any.

 

[azazel1024]

Yeah, OM1-4 are all within the same price range (within cents per foot). I'd just personally run MM OM2/3 as it supports much higher speeds at those distances in case you ever want to in the future. MM OM1 will support >400 meters at 100Mbps speeds.

 

[kevnich2]

The install you're talking about potentially costs several thousand dollars when you involve permitting, boring, etc. If you do actually go through with this, just lay 2" conduit and put a pull string through.

Secondly, What issues are you having exactly with the wireless? You can get a very reliable, high speed wireless link with the proper gear. For point to point, go with ubiquiti NSM5 units. You can get the whole project done for a few hundred bucks

 

[Mark R]

This can be done with fiber on a low-budget basis (if you want to keep any permitting issues, etc. off the radar).

Get a length of pre-terminated outdoor grade multi-mode fiber (OM2) with "LC" connectors. You need 2 cores for a link - it's not much more expensive to get 4 cores, that gives you a 2nd pair of cores, in case one core breaks. Do not attempt to add your own connectors or splice. Example: http://www.lanshack.com/Custom-4-Strand-Outdoor-625125-OM1-Multimode-Assembly-P1242.aspx

Get a pair of low cost media converters: e.g. http://www.ebay.com/itm/TP-LINK-MC2...423?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item540dbe326f

Get a pair of gigabit SFP multimode modules (you can often get cheap fiberchannel ones which work fine for gigabit ethernet): http://www.ebay.com/itm/INTEL-TXN31...279?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27fc405dbf

I've tested the media converters and SFPs that I've linked. They work great for gigabit ethernet over OM2 fiber. Note that the media converters I've linked ONLY work on gigabit. They do not work at all on 100 mbps.

If you are worried about damaging the fiber cable, you can get a length of 1" water pipe or conduit and pull the fiber through to give it some extra protection.

 

[azazel1024]

The install you're talking about potentially costs several thousand dollars when you involve permitting, boring, etc. If you do actually go through with this, just lay 2" conduit and put a pull string through.

Secondly, What issues are you having exactly with the wireless? You can get a very reliable, high speed wireless link with the proper gear. For point to point, go with ubiquiti NSM5 units. You can get the whole project done for a few hundred bucks

If it is all on your property, since it is fiber, there is likely no permiting needed at all. Obviously you'd need to check with your county. I know I don't need any if it is within my property for shallow trenching and non-electrical wire. You also likely don't need boring so long as it isn't passing under anything. Granted, 900ft of trenching would probably want to rent a trencher for the couple of days it would take you, but that might only be a few hundred bucks. The fiber and conduit is probably going to be a couple of thousand though in the end.

 

[kevnich2]

If it is all on your property, since it is fiber, there is likely no permiting needed at all. Obviously you'd need to check with your county. I know I don't need any if it is within my property for shallow trenching and non-electrical wire. You also likely don't need boring so long as it isn't passing under anything. Granted, 900ft of trenching would probably want to rent a trencher for the couple of days it would take you, but that might only be a few hundred bucks. The fiber and conduit is probably going to be a couple of thousand though in the end.

Even if it's your property, you still likely need permits. Different counties and cities are different on this but you need to call to find out. At the very least, you will want to call the number to get a utility marking done so you know where the underground utility lines are at. If you don't have your lines marked and do a trench and hit an underground "insert utility here" line, YOU are responsible for the costs. Whether this be gas, fiber, copper trunk, etc.

 

[azazel1024]

Even if it's your property, you still likely need permits. Different counties and cities are different on this but you need to call to find out. At the very least, you will want to call the number to get a utility marking done so you know where the underground utility lines are at. If you don't have your lines marked and do a trench and hit an underground "insert utility here" line, YOU are responsible for the costs. Whether this be gas, fiber, copper trunk, etc.

The last is certainly true. Generally that is free in my experience.

Calling the county is always best before doing things, but I doubt most counties would need you to pull a permit for running anything non-electrical underground. Heck, you can possibly find out on your county's website if you even need to bother calling them (I know I don't for my county).