Long Live AMD!

Naths

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Just checked some web news and saw some articles saying that some companies - IBM, Nvidia and one more company planning to buy AMD. Yikes! If not for AMD I'll not be having my own PC. Intel just to costy and it was'nt for AMD, Intel would not be lowering its price...

I say ... LONG LIVE AMD! I'm in the PC business and always recommends AMD systems as long as right and correct components are used. I cannot imagine going back again to times where only Intel dominates the CPU market.

I always love competition and just hope AMD will continue the good work!
 

AGodspeed

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Naths, where did you read that IBM or Nvidia may be buying AMD. Can you provide the web site you read that on. I'd really like to read those articles.

Thanks.
 

Naths

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www.AmdZone.com

Just saw their web news with headling - AMD BUYERS? which says:
"Glynn let me know that Bloomberg was reporting STMicroelectronics might buy AMD. Ok, not sure about that one. Now since Nvidia is doing well its them that will be buying AMD instead of IBM this year. Yeah, right. Check out the Inquirer for that story"

Check it out and see. Its probably bad rumor anyway...

 

Rand

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I've been seeing this rumours almost weekly for the last two months or so and they've yet to have an factual basis for them.
 

Jiggz

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I hate to put a damper on this but I read from a Taiwanese paper that the newly release XP 1900+ is having a lot of problems. Since its Chinese I barely understood what I was reading. There should be some more of this in the very near future in english version unless you guys already know this.
 

DDad

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Jiggz-
You shouldn't be reading the Taiwan Edition of "Intel Inside News"

Bout the only problem I'm aware of in the 1900's is availabilty
 

formulav8

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<< I hate to put a damper on this but I read from a Taiwanese paper that the newly release XP 1900+ is having a lot of problems. Since its Chinese I barely understood what I was reading. There should be some more of this in the very near future in english version unless you guys already know this. >>




Hate to put a damper on your post but talk to the many people here on this forum if they are having alot of problems with their XP 1900+. I haven't seen any that is cpu related.


Jason
 

Spook

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Nvidia...ok... but I hope IBM doesn't swallow AMD... IBM just has a way of swallowing companies. And doesn't make allot of consumer level products. I could see them getting AMD, and then not sharing with the rest of us. Not to mention IBM is not a company that would play the 'Price War' Game with Intel, like AMD has been for years now.

Nvidia on the other hand, most of thier business is with the consumer, so, I would rather they get the company. Wouldn't count on the great prices from them either though...

2c
 

DN

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My preference is for Intel CPUs for many reasons.. However, even if that's the case, I also want AMD to be around in the future because no matter which way you cut it -- competition is what really counts..
 

BeauJangles

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If a bigger company picks up AMD this could be quite a benefit. I dunno, I don't see IBM buying AMD then just stopping consumer CPU production. I think it could actually work out better for us.
 

Nate13

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Because amd's prices even though I'm married with children I can still upgrade twice a year. Long live AMD!!!
 

bigdog1218

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i think it would destroy amd if nvidia got a hold of it, nvidia is in a market where companies go from first to worst in the blink of an eye, and nvidia is not going to have the best graphics chips in the future, and there revenue would get hit hard, and they would take amd with them, ibm on the other hand is always going to be a sweet company and will be still be dominant in 5 years, unlike nvidia, even though since everyone here loves them so much they won't believe that but business wise it would be a lot better for ibm to buy them, and there is absolutly no reason why ibm would not keep the prices of the chips at their current price
 

Henny

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It's going to be increasingly tough for AMD.

They lost $250M last qtr and are down to $900M in the bank. Meanwhile the "bar is getting raised" by Intel. AMD has no choice but to re-tool for .13 micron and 300MM wafers to have any hopes of competing with Intel long term. This re-tooling is incredibly expensive and each round of retooling costs about an order of magnitude more than the previous generation.

The other issue is that Jerry Sanders plans to retire next year. Sander's is to marketing as Intel's Barrett is to manufacturing. Thanks to Sanders, AMD has outsmarted Intel in the marketing arena more times than I can count. Ruiz lacks Sander's marketing savy.

An IBM buyout could make sense. AMD needs to be more successful in the high end server/commercial business and IBM could help them do it.

Long live AMD!!




 

AGodspeed

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They lost $250M last qtr and are down to $900M in the bank.

Where'd you get those figures? I've seen quite a few financial specs for AMD, but not the $900 Million figure.
 

sandorski

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These rumours pop up from time to time, in fact many times IBM was said to be the buyer. I just ignore them.

AMD is far from a desparate position, in fact as soon as the Flash memory market firms up AMD will be rolling in dough. They have cut costs, firmed up cpu prices, and continue to sell cpu's in near or greater than record numbers. On the flipside we have rumoured P4 shortages and strangely enough price cuts on those same "in short supply" products. Intel has even been dropping prices on unreleased products! Something seems out of whack with recent Intel rumours/news.
 

MrHelpful

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Orcish - I hope you remember that the Intel Pentium II 400 (IIRC - the processor, not the price) was over $600 a few years ago, when it was the top of line, and AMD was almost non-existent.
 

Henny

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Rolling in dough??? The numbers don't lie.

AMD's cash position has fallen from about $1.3B to $.9B in just 9 months. It will fall again given that their forecast Q4 loss will be about the same as their Q3 loss. (Intel's cash has fallen by the same percentage but that's attributable to stock buybacks and Intel still has $9.0B in the bank.)

AMD may get back to profitability in Q2'02 assuming the CPU recovery is for real but by that time they'll probably only have $.6-.7B in cash reserves. That may sound like a lot but it costs about $.5- 1.0B to re-tool just one fab. AMD is not as diversified as Intel. CPU's and Flash are everything to AMD and Flash hasn't shown any signs of picking up as yet.

AMD is underpricing it's Athlon XP's relative to it's value in the marketplace. They must edge prices up and get to 2Ghz in the 1H. Executing on their roadmap must be flawless and they have no margin for error. ('01 was a good year for AMD's roadmap, '02 will be a better year for the Intel roadmap due to Intel's lead with .13 micron). AMD must do it in an environment of significant cost cutting. They also have to start making some inroads into the commercial space ASAP. (Hammer in '03 may be too late assuming '02 is a recovery year for the industry). They also better pray that the flash business picks up soon. And last but not least, they need to win a big name OEM like Dell, Gateway, IBM, Compaq, or HP. (Joe's no name computer shop won't cut it) They also better hope that there are a few typical Intel fumbles along the way. (that's always a sure bet!!)

AMD has always been the "comeback kid". This time might be their last chance.

They also better beg Jerry to stay on for one more year. Jerry might be able to pull it off. Jerry can charm the socks off employees, analysts, shareholders, etc. Ruiz has big shoes to fill and I doubt he can pull it off alone.

Where am I wrong????










<< These rumours pop up from time to time, in fact many times IBM was said to be the buyer. I just ignore them.

AMD is far from a desparate position, in fact as soon as the Flash memory market firms up AMD will be rolling in dough. They have cut costs, firmed up cpu prices, and continue to sell cpu's in near or greater than record numbers. On the flipside we have rumoured P4 shortages and strangely enough price cuts on those same "in short supply" products. Intel has even been dropping prices on unreleased products! Something seems out of whack with recent Intel rumours/news.
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AA0

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lets all remember IBM + cyrix a little time ago, they gave up on that. They won't get AMD.
 

Pabster

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Henny wrote:

"AMD has always been the "comeback kid". This time might be their last chance."

Man, I'm so sick and tired of hearing that. Didn't we hear that about 2 years ago when everyone claimed P3 would rule the universe, and the just-announced P4 would "destroy" AMD? Why are people always claiming AMD to be "out"? They've got a solid roadmap and some exciting products for the new year. I have zero doubt that at this time next year, the Hammer will be dropped.
 

Henny

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Roadmaps are only a small part of it. Process technology is everything. You can have the world's best roadmap but if you can't make it cost effective and in volume than you're dead, on the contrary, you can survive with a lackluster roadmap if you have superior/high volume process technology.

As Gordon Moore once quoted, "the industry will run out of money before it runs out of science". This may be a real possibility with AMD. But if the turnaround is substantial and sustainable, the industry could be swimming in money next year. Who knows!!

When the "Hammer is dropped", I hope AMD's thumb isn't in the way!!







<< Henny wrote:

"AMD has always been the "comeback kid". This time might be their last chance."

Man, I'm so sick and tired of hearing that. Didn't we hear that about 2 years ago when everyone claimed P3 would rule the universe, and the just-announced P4 would "destroy" AMD? Why are people always claiming AMD to be "out"? They've got a solid roadmap and some exciting products for the new year. I have zero doubt that at this time next year, the Hammer will be dropped.
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