Long term build

[riahc3]

I plan to build a new PC mid 2015-early 2016 as there is no cash flow to spend around.

My PC is your basic home PC. Nothing special. I game slightly but I dont want to max out resolutions. If it plays at 1920x1080, Im fine with that. I game for game play not for graphics. Im a lot more interested in virtualization.

I without a doubt will go with Intel for processor. Other brands Ill go with are below.

I would NOT like to spend more than 1000 euros. ($1,183.55)

Parts I need and/or need suggestions

- CASE. This is important. The case I have right now is "cool" with lights and crap but Ive found myself too old for that right now. I want a HUGE case and quiet as possible. For further quietness, Ill go with a Corsair H110i
- My current PSU is a Seasonic S12 600W. I am very happy with it but Im not sure if it is enough to power next gen. Either way, Ill stay with Seasonic.
- I recently got a GTX 650 Ti. It is holding its own and Im gonna test it with GTA5. I really rather not replace it. It will work at 1920x1080
- Motherboard is Asus. Same thing. Very happy with it so Ill problably stay with Asus.
- A 7.1 sound card
- A storage medium. Obviously a SSD. I need at least 500GB (480GB will be fine)
- I think my mouse might be starting to go so Im not sure if Ill replace the mouse now or after.
- Im just intrested in the brand of RAM that is recommended.
- Processor like I said Intel. I really perfer it to be virtualized orientated but I can understand that it might shoot up the price.

My timeframe for this would be summer 2015 - spring 2016 so its a pretty long time frame

Sorry if I missed something.

 

[Ken g6]

My timeframe for this would be summer 2015 - spring 2016 so its a pretty long time frame

Yes, very long. Maybe wait for Skylake.

 

[Essence_of_War]

My timeframe for this would be summer 2015 - spring 2016 so its a pretty long time frame

It's not really possible to give coherent advice/recommendations this far away from your intended build date. If you'd like advice/recommendations, your best bet is to make a new thread when you're ready to buy and build.

Happy day-dreaming until then!

 

[Carson Dyle]

Why a HUGE case for a system with nothing more than an SSD? Achieving a very quiet system is easy these days, and doesn't require a big case. Start with a good CPU HSF with a 120mm fan, then get good, slow to medium speed case fans (120mm or 140mm) and use your motherboard's fan speed control to control them (ASUS motherboards are great for this). Water cooling isn't necessary, and may actually be noisier.

Is a monitor needed within that budget? What about a Windows license?

Memory is a commodity. Any of the leading brands will work equally well. I like G.Skill, but that doesn't mean a lot. For virtualization and future expandability of RAM, go with a 2x8GB set now, which should give you room to add another 2x8GB if you need it.

If the budget gets tight, use a smaller SSD, like a 256GB, and a hard drive for mass storage.

 

[riahc3]

It's not really possible to give coherent advice/recommendations this far away from your intended build date. If you'd like advice/recommendations, your best bet is to make a new thread when you're ready to buy and build.

Happy day-dreaming until then!

Well, due to the budget, I wouldnt buy the latest/greatest out there at the moment so I wouldnt mind buying something that is out now that is obviously going to last a few years.

Why a HUGE case for a system with nothing more than an SSD? Achieving a very quiet system is easy these days, and doesn't require a big case. Start with a good CPU HSF with a 120mm fan, then get good, slow to medium speed case fans (120mm or 140mm) and use your motherboard's fan speed control to control them (ASUS motherboards are great for this). Water cooling isn't necessary, and may actually be noisier.

I bought a huge case here at work for a PC and I LOVE IT. Working with it is amazing.

Water cooling in my experience has been way more quieter than solo fan cooling. My PC will never get that hot plus in the future if I decide to overclock it, it will stretch its life.

Is a monitor needed within that budget? What about a Windows license?

Im sorry that I did not mention that and/or make it clear. I do not need a monitor or a Windows license.

Memory is a commodity. Any of the leading brands will work equally well. I like G.Skill, but that doesn't mean a lot. For virtualization and future expandability of RAM, go with a 2x8GB set now, which should give you room to add another 2x8GB if you need it.

Isnt G.Skill a bit expensive? Also would you recommend DDR4 over DDR3? I know Intel's latest will work with both.

If the budget gets tight, use a smaller SSD, like a 256GB, and a hard drive for mass storage.

256GB just doesnt cut it for me. I need 512GB for my programs. I already have HDDs/NAS for mass storage.

 

[Danrr]

I always plan my next build when I have the money on hand, in the hardware world everything changes fast, so a recommended build today (early 2015) will not be the best option if you will buy all the parts in mid 2015 late 2016.

 

[riahc3]

I always plan my next build when I have the money on hand, in the hardware world everything changes fast, so a recommended build today (early 2015) will not be the best option if you will buy all the parts in mid 2015 late 2016.

I completely understand your point and I agree

However....

2-3 years ago, the 840 Pro was king. The 850 Pro came out and it became king. But now, you still can't go wrong with the 840 Pro and its slightly cheaper than the 850 Pro.

Thats what Im trying to get at

BTW, my build was targeted towards mid 2015 - late 2015/early 2016

 

[Carson Dyle]

I completely understand your point and I agree

However....

2-3 years ago, the 840 Pro was king. The 850 Pro came out and it became king. But now, you still can't go wrong with the 840 Pro and its slightly cheaper than the 850 Pro.

Thats what Im trying to get at

Yeah, but how is anyone going to know what, if anything, will come out and surpass the 850 Pro in the next year? Or whether it will drive 850 Pro prices down?

I think you'd be pretty safe buying (or recommending) any of the following right now and not worry about what will happen in the next year:

case
power supply
case fans
HSU
sound card
mouse
keyboard

In fact, if you saw a great bargain on any of those and you have the money, you might want to jump on it. Prices on these things aren't going anywhere, nor is there much chance of any major breakthroughs in products coming onto the market in the next year.

As for the case, there are some good deals to be had right now on the Fractal Design Define R4, as they've just come out with the Define R5. That's a component that I can recommend. Great, understated looks, good sound damping, big and very easy to work with. Check out the reviews of both the R4 and R5 to see if you can live without the latest updates and save some money by buying one now.

 

[Cerb]

- CASE. This is important. The case I have right now is "cool" with lights and crap but Ive found myself too old for that right now. I want a HUGE case and quiet as possible.

Fractal Design Define, optionally the XL, would be a good choice.

For further quietness, Ill go with a Corsair H110i

No. It will be louder than any number of air coolers. The NXZT Kraken X61 gets good feedback, but only do that if you value the space, not the noise. A HR-02 Rev. A, Mugen 4, NH-D14, or NH-D15 will all be great air coolers for quietness.

Im just intrested in the brand of RAM that is recommended.

Crucial, G.Skill, A-Data, Patriot...

Processor like I said Intel. I really perfer it to be virtualized orientated but I can understand that it might shoot up the price.

Even most of the cheapies do hardware virtualization, today. AMD enabled it across the board many years ago, while still competitive, and Intel was pretty much forced to follow. My Chromebook has CPU with virtualization support . There still are some that don't, but they are the occasional low end ones, not mainstream CPUs.

 

[Cerb]

Water cooling in my experience has been way more quieter than solo fan cooling. My PC will never get that hot plus in the future if I decide to overclock it, it will stretch its life.

Very few water pumps are as quiet as an entire low noise PC. I don't know what, "solo fan cooling," means, though.

 

[riahc3]

Yeah, but how is anyone going to know what, if anything, will come out and surpass the 850 Pro in the next year? Or whether it will drive 850 Pro prices down?

I gave that SSD as a example. Its obvious something better will come out but for example that SSD I can use it now and pass it to a new build later.

I think you'd be pretty safe buying (or recommending) any of the following right now and not worry about what will happen in the next year:

case
power supply
case fans
HSU
sound card
mouse
keyboard

Yeah, exactly. Any of those wont see a big difference. Plus some of those I can even move to a new system.

HSU? What?

As for the case, there are some good deals to be had right now on the Fractal Design Define R4, as they've just come out with the Define R5. That's a component that I can recommend. Great, understated looks, good sound damping, big and very easy to work with. Check out the reviews of both the R4 and R5 to see if you can live without the latest updates and save some money by buying one now.

I like both the Fractal Design Define R5 and Define XL R2

Look very nice, pretty and compatible with water cools...

No. It will be louder than any number of air coolers. The NXZT Kraken X61 gets good feedback, but only do that if you value the space, not the noise. A HR-02 Rev. A, Mugen 4, NH-D14, or NH-D15 will all be great air coolers for quietness.

I have a Noctua for my CPU currently and trying to hear it, I can still hear it while the Corsair I have to really really be near it.

Crucial, G.Skill, A-Data, Patriot...

A-Data is good? Did not know that.

DDR3 or DDR4?

Even most of the cheapies do hardware virtualization, today. AMD enabled it across the board many years ago, while still competitive, and Intel was pretty much forced to follow. My Chromebook has CPU with virtualization support . There still are some that don't, but they are the occasional low end ones, not mainstream CPUs.

Seems you are right. Made a quick search on Intel's and full virtualization support is on 247 products.

Having said that, if I filter to 5th gen i5 (my target) I only get two: 5350U and 5300U

Very few water pumps are as quiet as an entire low noise PC. I don't know what, "solo fan cooling," means, though.

Not my experience personally.

The proper phrase says it: Cooling that is only dependent on fans, not water.

 

[riahc3]

BTW, out of curiosity and price range, what would be a build if I bought it now?

 

[Carson Dyle]

Honestly, it sounds like you're pretty on top of things. A little more research, read through some reviews and I think you'll do OK on your own.

One question not answered is whether or not your 600W PSU will suffice for what you're building, but I suspect it will be. You said you'll most likely keep your GTX 650 Ti, but you haven't said how many HDDs will be in the system.

 

[riahc3]

Honestly, it sounds like you're pretty on top of things. A little more research, read through some reviews and I think you'll do OK on your own.

One question not answered is whether or not your 600W PSU will suffice for what you're building, but I suspect it will be. You said you'll most likely keep your GTX 650 Ti, but you haven't said how many HDDs will be in the system.

Not at all. I dont keep up with hardware as much as I would like to.

Yes, I problably will not get a replacement and/or I dont dual GPU.

About storage, I think Ill have 2 drives: That SSD I will get and my old current system HDD. The rest of my TB drives are on a NAS.

 

[Cerb]

I have a Noctua for my CPU currently and trying to hear it, I can still hear it while the Corsair I have to really really be near it.

At what speeds? The fans that come with the corsair are far from quiet, nor is the pump. Default mobo fan speeds are often quite fast, though. My mobo won't go below 40%, FI, on its quiet preset (front fans are currently at 17%, rear exhaust for the GPU at 22%).

The proper phrase says it: Cooling that is only dependent on fans, not water.

You are dependent on water, with almost any heatsink but the stock Intel. The CLC or a custom loop just allows you move it somewhere else, and adds a pump.

 

[Essence_of_War]

The fans that come with the corsair are far from quiet, nor is the pump.

Not to mention that the pumps on CLCs are typically mounted directly to the plate/mobo so that you can get all sorts of vibrations that could be damped with a separate pump.

 

[Cerb]

Having said that, if I filter to 5th gen i5 (my target) I only get two: 5350U and 5300U

Aren't all of them you can get specs for today BGA?

That said, all 14 5th gen Core i3/i5/i7 CPUs Intel lists support VT-x, VT-d, and EPT.

 

[mfenn]

Aren't all of them you can get specs for today BGA?

That said, all 14 5th gen Core i3/i5/i7 CPUs Intel lists support VT-x, VT-d, and EPT.

Yeah, Broadwell desktop SKUs haven't been announced, and the specs on the BGA parts are really applicable.

Who knows what the best buy Broadwell will be when you can get it for desktops? Or what their market segmentation strategy will be with regard to virtualization extensions? (OK, Intel knows, but they're not talking yet.)