Long term vision for FAH: Science, clients, etc

Wreckage

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http://folding.typepad.com/new...ience-clients-etc.html

It's been a while since I've posted on this topic, so I thought it would be a good time to talk about the long term vision for FAH. In the first few years, we have done a lot to build up methodology (novel distributed computing algorithms, tests of methods), especially in the last years working to bring GPU's, PS3's, and tightly coupled SMP calculations to a distributed computing platform. While all of this has been going on, there has been a lot of work which would have a direct impact to disease and human health, and donors should see more results (i.e. papers) coming out in this direction soon. In particular, results on Alzheimer's Disease, Huntington's Disease, and some other surprises in the works (sorry, some details are best left until peer review is done).

In terms of a long term vision for the FAH software, our short term goals is to shore up the SMP client. Just as there was a big improvement from the GPU1 -> GPU2 client, we have been working steadily on an SMP2 client -- a version which is much easier to use, requires less donor effort, and scales much better. This really is a combination of a modified client and (especially) new cores. This effort has been going on for about a year and it's far enough along that I'm starting to talk about it publicly.

In the previous post, I also mentioned about some of our work behind the scenes in revamping the backened of FAH, i.e. a whole new set of server codes. We have code for the workserver and collection servers, but in time we expect the full backend to be cleanly rewritten from scratch.

Longer term, with a more solid GPU2 and SMP2 clients done, we can then move on to other areas. Our goal is to be bleeding edge in the nature of our science, but get back to the simplicity and stability found in the classic client. We still have a ways to go, but I am excited that projects that were started some time ago are now looking like they will see the light of day.

:thumbsup:
 

Foxery

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I just caught that this morning, too. It gives me a glimmer of hope for the future, after giving up on WinSMP and moving back to the Classic client. They've done a lot of great things this year, but stretched themselves thin by starting too many projects at once. Thank god they haven't forgotten about a quality assurance!
 

Insidious

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I just run a little of everything (well, no Linux..... it's :evil: )

SMP, GPU, CLI

One of them has GOT to be able to cure what ailes me :roll:

-Sid

Thanks for the post Wreckage
 

biodoc

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Linux is not all that bad Sid!:laugh:

1xSMP = 5500 ppd on OC'd Q6600s & extremely stable (Don't upgrade to the latest kernels though). mpiexec is broken with the latest kinux kernels (ubuntu intrepid is down 1000 ppd).

I have usb bose speakers (no sound issues).

IF you buy an HP printer (all in ones). No issues with linux since HP has great support on native print drivers.

NVIDIA drivers: great support

wireless networking: I'm not brave enough to try that.

digital photography: great support (all free software)

digital video: buy a mac

gaming: no experience myself but a lot of games run under wine (free windows api/ no windows system disks needed)

FAH GPU is run under wine (not easy to set up though)

office?: openoffice (free from Sun)

Filesharing: Samba for sharing files with mac and windows computers

All in all: Linux is getting there and a LOT of software is free (open source community is growing every year)

FAH SMP on Windows will Never work well. Windows is not desinged for clustr type computational tasks.

unix and linux are perfect for those types of tasks.

If you are a windows user, try ubuntu linux. The interface is very similar. BUT, be prepared for a learning experience. Al lot is still done on the command line interface.

:beer:
 

Markfw

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I only get 4400 on 2 x SMP on my one ubuntu system, 2200 each. Thats at Q6600@3510, how do you get 5500 on one ?
 

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Originally posted by: biodoc
Linux is not all that bad Sid!:laugh:

1xSMP = 5500 ppd on OC'd Q6600s & extremely stable (Don't upgrade to the latest kernels though). mpiexec is broken with the latest kinux kernels (ubuntu intrepid is down 1000 ppd).



biodoc, what does this do???





Originally posted by: Markfw900
I only get 4400 on 2 x SMP on my one ubuntu system, 2200 each. Thats at Q6600@3510, how do you get 5500 on one ?




I too get approx as you Mark??? And I have 2 Q6600's


 

biodoc

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It's been a long time since I've run SMP and I was shocked too.

I've go 3 Q6600s, all running linux (above) and with 2 GPUs and 1xSMP on all 3, I'm getting 25000 ppd.

ubuntu 8.04 with all the lastest updates: Q6600@3.24 GHz

All 1xSMP

2673 WU

-- ubuntu1 --

Min. Time / Frame : 9mn 43s - 5690.84 ppd
Avg. Time / Frame : 9mn 43s - 5690.84 ppd
Cur. Time / Frame : 9mn 52s - 5604.32 ppd
R3F. Time / Frame : 9mn 54s - 5585.45 ppd
Eff. Time / Frame : 9mn 43s - 5690.84 ppd

2674 WU

-- ubuntu1 --

Min. Time / Frame : 4mn 50s - 5720.28 ppd
Avg. Time / Frame : 4mn 50s - 5720.28 ppd


-- mark-desktop1 --

Min. Time / Frame : 4mn 56s - 5604.32 ppd
Avg. Time / Frame : 4mn 56s - 5604.32 ppd

2671 WU

-- ubuntu1 --

Min. Time / Frame : 4mn 45s - 5820.63 ppd
Avg. Time / Frame : 5mn 36s - 4937.14 ppd

-- mark-desktop1 --

Min. Time / Frame : 4mn 42s - 5882.55 ppd
Avg. Time / Frame : 4mn 54s - 5642.45 ppd
Cur. Time / Frame : 5mn 11s - 5334.02 ppd
R3F. Time / Frame : 5mn 10s - 5351.23 ppd
Eff. Time / Frame : 4mn 57s - 5585.45 ppd


Don't know why but these are kick butt scores!!


 

Insidious

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My 3 windows machines are beating your 3 linux machines (plus one of them is only an Opty dual)

neener neener neeeeeener!



edit: it will be 4 machines here, but the MacBook hasn't had time to finish a work unit yet.
 

biodoc

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Originally posted by: Insidious
My 3 windows machines are beating your 3 linux machines (plus one of them is only an Opty dual)

neener neener neeeeeener!



edit: it will be 4 machines here, but the MacBook hasn't had time to finish a work unit yet.

I do have one more PCIe slot open!

You've got 4 GPUs, right?

I'm trying to upload a fahmon screenshot but photobucket or linux is not cooperating!

MarkFW and Drsignguy...are you running the latest linux SMP client?
 

Insidious

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each of the (2) quads has 2 GPUs. one 8800GTS 512 and one 9800GTX+ and each runs one SMP alongside.
The Opty has one GPU, a 8800GTS 640 and runs one SMP alongside

With the best mix of work units I am up to ~32.5K PPD
With the worst mix of work units I get knocked down to ~26.5K PPD

Here's a screenie of fahmon at the moment

:music: :music: :beer: :music: :music:

-Sid

edit: Notice how WINDOWS let me just zap that screenie right up there :laugh:
 

biodoc

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I've got 2 GPUs: 8800GT and a 9800GTX+

I'd have to beg for another.

Linux guys: upgrade your client AND the mpiexec file too (commercial version now).

1xSMP now gives 90%+ on all 4 cpus. No advantage with 2xSMP (100ppd at most).
 

Insidious

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Originally posted by: biodoc

I've go 3 Q6600s, all running linux (above) and with 2 GPUs and 1xSMP on all 3, I'm getting 25000 ppd.

Your math is different than mine.

but anyway.... do the beg!!!!!

Tell her the guys on the internet thingy are threatening to put slimy things in your easy chairs if you don't comply. :evil:

:laugh: -Sid

 

biodoc

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Originally posted by: Insidious
Originally posted by: biodoc

I've go 3 Q6600s, all running linux (above) and with 2 GPUs and 1xSMP on all 3, I'm getting 25000 ppd.

Your math is different than mine.

but anyway.... do the beg!!!!!

Tell her the guys on the internet thingy are threatening to put slimy things in your easy chairs if you don't comply. :evil:

:laugh: -Sid

I guess I had too much :wine: when I wrote that!:laugh:

Here's what I've got:

box1: Q6600@3.2 GHz: running 1x SMP
box2: Q6600@3.24GHz, 8800GT@700MHz: running 1xGPU & 1xSMP
box3: Q6600@3.24GHz, 9800GTX+@800MHz: running 1xGPU & 1xSMP

Since last night I clocked the box1 CPU up from 3GHz to 3.2

I also clocked up the 8800 from 650 to 700 and the 9800GTX from 748 to 800.
:beer:
 
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