LOOKING CPU

[drerickarim]

my old mobo/cpu died. so im replacing it. thing is i need agp port so i chose this mobo

ASRock 4CoreDual-SATA2 LGA 775 VIA PT880 Pro/PT880 Ultra ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail

going for 70 dls. so budget goes up to 130 dls. maybe more if its worth it. so what cpu should i chose, i do some gaming, photo editing so would like powar. though beating a 4 year old cpu should be easy XD
???

thanks

 

[lyssword]

e4300

 

[drerickarim]

is it because the oc'ability ?


heard u can get good numbers paired with the mobo above. and its well within my budget. awesome. we thinks this is it.

 

[myocardia]

If you plan on keeping that motherboard for very long, and are wanting to overclock, definitely get the E4400. It's got a 10x multiplier, and that board tops out between 290 & 300 Mhz FSB. Oh, and it's still easy to find, compared to the E4300.

 

[heyheybooboo]

That mobo takes a wide range of CPUs - gives you a wide range of options

You could *go low* on the cpu and save enuuff $$$ to buy 2Gb of memory. As an example go with a Celeron D 347 3.06GHz 533MHz 512K for $45.31. You will hit 3.6-3.8GHz in your sleep.

The sad fact of the matter is that despite the promises, multithreaded software is still not widely availalble to take advantage of dual- and quad-cores by executing tasks in parallel across multiple cores/processors. Programs still execute in a linear fashion, and will only use one core/CPU.

I will give partial credit to the OS for *better* load balancing of tasks across cores but not executing threads in parallel.

A fast single-core will continue to meet your needs for the foreseeable future, and dual- and quad-core CPUs will continue to drop in price. A Core 2 Quad Q6600 will most likely be less than $200 by the end of the year. We can only hope that true multithreaded software will eventually catch up to take full advantage of alll those cores.

Here is a short list of multi-threaded applications - most invovle video encoding/decoding.

 

[bryanW1995]

e4400 is probably your best bet. if you want to save a little bit of $$ go for e2180.

 

[drerickarim]

initial budget was 200$ for mobo/cpu. mobo is 60 so leaves 140 for cpu. and wana get the best cpu for it. cause i do some gamming and photoshop.

yeah looks like the e4400 it is.

so how is my power suppply ? enough antec 500w for cpu, 2 drives, 2, hd, 3 fans, and a 7800gs ??

 

[heyheybooboo]

Rough Estimates

Mobo = 4-5 amps
e4400 = 5.5 amps
HDs = 2.5 amps per
DVDs = 2.5 amps per
sound card = .5-2 amps
ddr2 RAM = .75 amp/stick
USBs = .5 amps per device
Fans = .25 amps per unit
Card Reader = 1 amp
Firewire = 1 amp per device

Not sure about 7800gs - I'm guessing 6 amps +/-.

If that PSU is 500w x 80% efficiency = 400w = 33 amps

 

[drerickarim]

oho... i just looked inside the case its a 400w x80% = 320 = 26 ?

witch would put me in a pickle. getting a new ps also XD


http://www.compusa.com/product...00&product_code=335816

Antec NeoHE 550 Watt ATX Power Supply

 

[Borealis7]

i think you are forgetting to factor in some air cooling.

if you put aside 40-50$ for a top cooler, you can go with an E2180 and a good cooler to achieve a good O/C. dont expect to O/C with the stock intel fan, thats unrealistic.

E4xxx's run even hotter than E2xxx's if i remember correctly.

 

[drerickarim]

power > stable > silent.

will oc mildly ( 2.4-2.5 maybe from stock 2.2 ). though i read stable 2.7 with stock cooler.

i would love to have more L2 cache. so thats why im going with the 4 series.

 

[Denithor]

An Antec 400W should be able to handle that system with no problem. Just make sure that it is clean (no dust built up inside) as I had to replace one recently that gave out because dust clogged the fan and killed it with heat.

The e4400 and that motherboard is a good pairing for the money, especially as you can reuse your DDR memory and AGP card. Also, Photoshop is one program that really benefits from multi-core processors IIRC so you shouldn't be disappointed with your rebuild.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: Borealis7
i think you are forgetting to factor in some air cooling.

if you put aside 40-50$ for a top cooler, you can go with an E2180 and a good cooler to achieve a good O/C. dont expect to O/C with the stock intel fan, thats unrealistic.

E4xxx's run even hotter than E2xxx's if i remember correctly.

With an E4400 on an ASRock PT880-based mobo, the best you could theoretically OC to is 3.0Ghz, and you can easily do that on the E4400 stock cooler. I don't know if I would recommend using the E2180 stock cooler though, it doesn't have a copper core.

 

[drerickarim]

order is on


1 Intel Core 2 Duo E4400 Allendale 2.0GHz LGA 775 Processor Model BX80557E4400 - Retail
Item #: N82E16819115014
Return Policy: Processors (CPUs) Return Policy $133.99
1 ASRock 4CoreDual-SATA2 LGA 775 VIA PT880 Pro/PT880 Ultra ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Item #: N82E16813157115
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy $59.99

awesome. thanks :0. il post how this turns out.

 

[Glorfindael]

i just ordered and got basically the same setup except an e4500 because it was 5 bucks more and has 1 higher default multiplier so i figured if i ever am not overclocked it's a tich faster...for five bucks who cares lol

 

[Denithor]

If you can cancel your order, do so: the e4500 is $3 CHEAPER than the e4400.

 

[Spikesoldier]

go get a 2180

10x multiplier and cheap

edit: you will likely max out near 3ghz with that board

 

[myersd]

Originally posted by: Borealis7
i think you are forgetting to factor in some air cooling.

if you put aside 40-50$ for a top cooler, you can go with an E2180 and a good cooler to achieve a good O/C. dont expect to O/C with the stock intel fan, thats unrealistic.

E4xxx's run even hotter than E2xxx's if i remember correctly.

Check out the Arctic Freezer 7 Pro for under 20 bucks. Works just as well as any 50 dollar cooler.

 

[Denithor]

Or get this cooler from Cooler Master that everyone says is just as good as the Freezer 7 Pro and happens to be FREE after MIR.

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
A fast single-core will continue to meet your needs for the foreseeable future,

Was this a joke? Would you also recommend that everyone who owns a C2D or Athlon X2 sell them, so they can afford to buy a nice, fast PIII, and some of that new RDRAM I've been hearing about?:laugh:

Here is a short list of multi-threaded applications - most invovle video encoding/decoding.

Umm, here's a partial list of games that are dual-core capable, that was posted in Jan. of '06:

Call of Duty 2
City of Villains
F.E.A.R.
World of Warcraft
Age of Empires III
Black & White 2
Peter Jackson?s King Kong
The Movies
Battlefield 2
Battlefield 2: Special Forces
Tom Clancy?s Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter
Tom Clancy?s Rainbow Six 3
Tony Hawk?s American Wasteland
Quake 4
Vangauard Saga of Heros

To that list, I'll just add the few games that I'm aware of that support SMP (all only two cores, AFAIK), but aren't on the list:

Doom III, Prey, Oblivion, M$ Flight Simulator X, M$ Excel 2007, Windows Moviemaker, Ghost Recon AW2, Adobe Photoshop CS2, Rainbow Six: Vegas, Battlefield 2142, Bioshock (might be quad-capable), WinRAR 3.6+, plus the ones I'm forgetting. Okay, so a couple of those weren't games.

Quad-core/quasi-quad-core enabled: Adobe Photoshop CS3, Supreme Commander, Quake Wars, Unreal Tournament 3, Crysis, Allen Wake, plus other yet to be released titles.

Oh, and as far as being dual-core capable, most of the titles in the paragraph that contains Doom III & Prey have to be patched, to become SMP capable.

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Rough Estimates

Mobo = 4-5 amps
e4400 = 5.5 amps
HDs = 2.5 amps per
DVDs = 2.5 amps per
sound card = .5-2 amps
ddr2 RAM = .75 amp/stick
USBs = .5 amps per device
Fans = .25 amps per unit
Card Reader = 1 amp
Firewire = 1 amp per device

Not sure about 7800gs - I'm guessing 6 amps +/-.

If that PSU is 500w x 80% efficiency = 400w = 33 amps

That's not how psu efficiency works, it works the other way around. A 500 watt psu is (assuming it's a good psu) capable of outputting 500 watts DC. So if it's 80% efficient, it will use ~620 watts of AC.

Also, you can't just add up all of the current draw from each device in a system; they don't all use the 12v rail. For instance, the motherboard uses both 3.3v & 5v rail power, RAM uses only 3.3v rail power, both hard drives and optical drives use both 5v & 12v power, USB & Firewire devices use the 5v rail, etc.

edit: Not trying to pick on you, booboo, just wanting to set the record straight, in case someone decides to use this thread as the basis for whether or not to buy a dual-core processor, or how much power their psu will need.