Looking for a good modem

Prancer

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Apr 11, 2000
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Which is a better choice:

3COM U.S. ROBOTICS 56K V90 INT FAX/MODEM PCI

vs.

SUPRAMAX 56I INT V90 56K D/F PCI MODEM ?

I can't decide without any info on the two.

 

Terp

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...another vote for the 3Com...I am using an external 3Com/USR v.90 56K and love it....bought a cheap $15.00 Motorola Surf-Flex modem for my old system and thought it worked....okay....but since I hooked this new modem up, I can't believe I got by with that cheap crap for so long....nice, steady throughput...no problems whatsoever....

Proving the old adage, "You get what you pay for."

 

LED

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Oct 12, 1999
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Depends on your ISP. If it uses X2 technology then go with the Robotics. If it uses KFlex technology then get the Supra Max, or better yet (IMO) one Viking.
 

JellyBaby

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Apr 21, 2000
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My guess is either modem will do you good. 3com modems tend to get higher praise in reviews (a bit faster throughput and better results under crappy line conditions). But the last reviews I've seen are from '98 so who knows what the story is now. 3com stuff is also priced premiumly (premiumly...is that a word?).
 

Terp

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....and I haven't dropped carrier in the middle of the infamous 100M +/- downloads after being 94% finished in a long time

man, that used to suck..."Come on, come on....few more minutes, hang in there.....you can do it....F*ck!"
 

MWink

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Oct 9, 1999
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I vote AGAINST 3Com. If you want the modem I reccommend, look at a Creative.
 

Modus

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There are a number of reasons to avoid higher priced "hard modems," especially those made by 3Com/USR, in favor of a common PCI winmodem.

1) Winmodems are dirt cheap.

A quick comparison of average street prices shows that while a good Lucent LT or Rockwell/Conexant HCF winmodem (the AOpen FM56-PM is a nice example) can easily be found for less than $10 US, the cheapest hardware modem costs twice as much: $39 plus shipping and handling. And for a 3Com part, you'll pay even more. By contrast, you can sometimes find winmodems for $5 after rebates at electronics retailers, or even for free with special promotions.

Everything else we put in our computers is subject to a price/performance ratio. In other words, if the performance of a more expensive part does not scale linearly with its price, we don't buy it. (RDRAM, anyone?) The same reasoning must be applied to hardware modems. They certainly don't perform twice as well as winmodems of half the price, and as we'll see, they often don't perform any better at all.

2) Ping times and throughput are not an issue.

Modern Winmodems such as those based on the Lucent LT chipset will display ping times below 100ms and connect speeds around 48000, which is more than adequate for any Internet activity, including online gaming. Any recent softmodem -- especially the HCF variety, where the hardware handles a bit more of the duty -- should exhibit similar performance. Below, a cut and paste job from a generic Lucent LT v.90 PCI, which sells for as low as $9 on PriceWatch:

C:\WINDOWS>ping -n 10 router.infoserve.net

Pinging router.infoserve.net [199.175.157.4] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 199.175.157.4: bytes=32 time=101ms TTL=253
Reply from 199.175.157.4: bytes=32 time=105ms TTL=253
Reply from 199.175.157.4: bytes=32 time=90ms TTL=253
Reply from 199.175.157.4: bytes=32 time=105ms TTL=253
Reply from 199.175.157.4: bytes=32 time=90ms TTL=253
Reply from 199.175.157.4: bytes=32 time=105ms TTL=253
Reply from 199.175.157.4: bytes=32 time=90ms TTL=253
Reply from 199.175.157.4: bytes=32 time=105ms TTL=253
Reply from 199.175.157.4: bytes=32 time=90ms TTL=253
Reply from 199.175.157.4: bytes=32 time=105ms TTL=253

Ping statistics for 199.175.157.4:
Packets: Sent = 10, Received = 10, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 90ms, Maximum = 105ms, Average = 98ms

You may object that pinging an ISP would always yield good results. Actually, it's the only fair way to compare latency between modems. Pinging your ISP reduces the number of variables down to three: your modem's performance, the quality of your phone lines, and the nature of your ISP's modem pool. If we were to compare modems by pinging a fixed point on the Internet, we would quickly introduce several more uncontrolled variables: Internet traffic, server load, number of hops, etc.

Even if you ping your own ISP with an expensive hardware modem, I think you'll find it extremely difficult to match these numbers.

Not bad for $9, eh?

3) CPU utilization is minimal.

One of the main arguments against winmodems has been that they consume CPU cycles. Fortunately, manufacturers have always made sure to set minimum CPU guidelines so that the effect is not noticeable. If CPU usage was ever a problem, it certainly isn't today.

CPU power has increased many, many times faster than the technology behind softmodems. For instance, the CPU usage of a typical winmodem hovers below 5% on a Celeron 333. This is in the range of the power required by Windows to spin an hourglass cursor; it's certainly not something that will eat into your game play significantly. And now we have people running around with 1 GHz processors. Any drop in frame rate will barely be measurable, let alone visible.

4) They are reliable.

In my consulting business, I've sold dozens of PC's equipped with the cheapest Winmodems I could find. Only one has ever come back with a genuine hardware defect.

Many ISP support techs have a grudge against winmodems because they feel these types of modems are responsible for an innordinate number of support calls. There are a couple of reasons for this. First, almost all new computers sold today use winmodems; a person with a new computer and a modem problem will likely be using a winmodem, simply because they are more prevalent. Second, winmodems actually require the drivers they ship with. A new PC user who can't tell the difference between his RAM and his hard drive space will feel his eyes glaze over when confronted with a manual telling him how to install softmodem drivers. Instinct tells him to phone his "Internet guys" and get them to help.

In truth, winmodems are no more apt to fail than hardware modems, and probably less so, because they have fewer electronic components.

5) Driver/OS support is excellent.

The Lucent LT, for example, supports Windows 2000, Windows 9x, Linux (see http://www.linmodems.org under the Vendor section), and even the obscure BeOS. Lucent also seems comitted to releasing a new driver every few months, which means your modem's performance will always be as high as possible.

6) Affordable broadband Internet technology puts any analogue modem to shame.

Anyone using the Internet for more than email and chat sees the need for widely available broadband Internet access to replace our antiquated 56k connections. Trying to enjoy streaming audio or video over a modem connection is like trying to sip a thick milkshake through a thin straw. With the availability and affordability of high speed Internet access growing at a steady rate, it would be foolish to invest more than the minimum amount in modem technology that is already obsolete.

So when you consider the facts, there are very few valid reasons to avoid winmodems.

Modus
 

Terp

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Sure, it looks good on paper


....3Com has a relatively inelastic demand for their modems due to the increased quality and performance; thus, they are priced accordingly. After a thorough test-drive of my $2.67 Motorola Surf-Flex 56K and my OEM PCI "Winmodem," I could safely argue that they are not overpriced....worth every penny of the $2.67 (providing shipping is included).
 

Mem

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I have had my Diamond SupraExpress 56i V PRO for 2 years,very pleased with the performance & reliability,either modems you have mentioned would be a good choice.
 

youseelabruin

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we have about 5 3com modems in different systems. couple pci, isa, winmodem... they never give us problems. solid performers.
 

JellyBaby

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It could all be a value issue. If 3com modems were $30 everyone would own one. But they're up there a ways and cheaper models are available so we have some decision making to do. Hehe I still remeber buying a USR HST dual standard 14400bps modem back "in the day" for, check it, $600! I settled for a 386SX/20 instead of a 386DX/25 to afford that modem. It was worth every penny!
 

poolshark

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Dec 19, 1999
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I had a diamond modem and it was junk
now I just install 3com modems and they never ever give problems
 
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