Looking for small SUV with AWD...

mvbighead

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Wife and I are now starting the process of buying a new car. At present, we have a 2000 Jeep Grand Cherokee, 2007 Chevy Impala, and a 2000 Chevy Silverado. The one most likely to go is the Jeep, as, for a backup daily driver, it just doesn't have good enough fuel economy (17 average), and now that we have the truck, we seldom need it for its utility.

With a baby on the way, my though process lead me towards replacing the car with something that sits a little higher for an easier in and out with car seats, etc. As it is, getting into a car is a drop down, but getting into a small SUV would be akin to just sliding in, not up or down. We're definitely not in the market for a Yukon or anything monstrous.

Requirements for the new vehicle are:
-AWD (Though I'd be fine with a switchable 4wd system, the wife would prefer to not have to mess with it.)
-Good MPG, better than 20 average, and hopefully much higher.
-Alloy wheels (or better. I am really not a hubcap guy, they just make a nice new car look cheap, IMO.)
-Under $25k (not the largest budget, but it does seem to fit our front runner, and some others)

At this point, the front runner in our discussions has been the Chevy Equinox. Most of our commuting is easy flowing 60mph traffic. With the 4-cylinder/6-speed transmission, these cars are supposed to be able to achieve close to 30mpg hwy. I figure it close to 26 on average with our typical route, so nearly 10mpg better than the Jeep.

It won't be used to tow. Or anything heavy duty.

As a side note, we are/were considering parting with the Impala and the Jeep, picking up the Equinox new, and then buying a low cost commuter that gets better than 22mpg average for those days where we don't car pool. As it is, we commute ~30 miles each way, and we could quickly decrease some fuel expense by moving some cars around.

At this point, we are mostly leaning towards new. However, there is an 05 floating around that is much less expensive, but would net about 5 mpg better than the Jeep, which might be enough. At this point, our searching is in the early stages. We're in no rush to buy unless there is a stellar deal to be had. The new Equinox that we are looking at is $26k sticker. I was hoping to find a good discount on a 2012 model, but have had no luck there. Used 2011s with 30k+ go for $22k, which, IMO, is a waste as brand new is a mere $4k more.

I'd like to hear of any other models I should consider. The Forester looks close, but my wife is not too fond of them (though that may change with a test drive). I don't think the 2013 model looks too bad, but I absolutely will not buy a vehicle if the wife isn't on board with the idea. In all likelihood, she'll be in this vehicle 100% of the time, and I'll drive the other car when carpooling doesn't work out.

TLDR:
What else should I consider aside from a 2013 Equinox?
 

endlessmike

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We looked at the Equinox. The 4-cyl was fine and overall the driving characteristics were okay, but the hard-touch plastics and fit and finish of the interior put us off. Neither of us really cared for the red stitching on the seats either. I think the one we looked at was a 1LT FWD, which was pretty nicely equipped.

Also drove and really liked the CX-5 Touring, 2013 Escape SE, and 2013 Santa Fe Sport. Supposedly the Equinox has less cargo space than any of these.
 

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Admittedly I haven't drove a CX-5 but I dug around it quite a bit while at a car show. It has excellent space in all seats and in cargo area. Easily one of the bigger bench seats you will find in a 2nd row in this category and not at the cost of cargo space. Front seats were also very comfortable. It's a well price, excellent sized, and by most accounts pleasant to drive cute 'ute.
 

phucheneh

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Forester or Impreza wagon. Not sure of price...also they may make a Legacy wagon?

My first thought is that I would ALWAYS lean toward a car designed for AWD; not one with it as an added option. All the brands I've worked on with 'optional' AWD/4WD* have, quite frankly, sucked.

Second thought...why do you need AWD? Please know that AWD will NOT increase the handling prowess of your vehicle in inclement weather. Losing traction because of applied power is not the same as losing traction because the tires have simply lost their grip with the road. And that's the worry; not wheelspin. The only practical thing AWD will do for you is help you get traction for takeoff.

Also of note is what kind of engine orientation the car uses. FWD-based cars with an AWD option are nearly always set up to send a good majority of the power to the front wheels, and if you overpower their grip, you lose steering. Period. It doesn't matter if your 'intelligent AWD' sends more power to the back wheels...you're closing the barn door after the horse already smashed into a tree.

*some cars claim themselves as 'AWD' but have RWD transmissions, transfer cases, and a front diff that are no different from trucks with selectable 4WD. As a mechanic, this is fun, because you get to tell someone that you can't fix the driveline vibration in their 40k+ car because that's just how the car was made, and they all do it. (Infiniti, I'm looking at you)
 

Drako

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Ford Escape

You can probably get a good deal on a 2012 if you can find one.
 

desy

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Why AWD?
Good winter tires and studded if allowed in your area should suffice unless I'd get AWD if you live in snowy + hilly areas. Just driving pavement and no gravel you get better FE and less maintenance with just FWD and initial cheaper purchasing price
 

Doppel

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Problem is Ohio salts the roads so that thing will be a brown mass of flaking paint in no time.

Of course AWD is seriously overrated as a safety feature particularly with today's cars, but I imagine the OP will have no success arguing that to his wife.
 

xanis

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Kia Sportage? You can get a '13 LX with AWD for $23K.

EDIT: 21 city / 28 hwy / 24 combined
 
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phucheneh

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Mee...nee...vahn? What is this strange thing you speak of?

Seriously, though...the few even still being made are huge. Nissan Quest reminds me of big squared off half-ton cargo van. Or a Sprinter. Is the Caravan/Routan still being made?

Besides that, you've got the fact that every small SUV sits on a car platform with FWD, anyway. Heck, some of the bigger ones, too (Ford Explorer is FWD now).

Honestly, most of the small SUV's are just cars with a little extra ground clearance. Turn a Corolla into a hatchback and lift it...ta-da! Rav4.

I've always thought the Mazda5 was a pretty smart little car. The looks are a little odd, but I bet it carries more stuff than a Rav4 or similar. If not, it definitely can carry more people. I love the functionality of the interior, and you get the only two things that really 'make' a minivan (sliding doors and rear buckets/third row seating).

Maybe I'm prejudiced because I drive a 3. I'd trust the handling of that car over any other FWD, hands-down, which is 'safety' to me. The 5 drives about the same.

Personally I've never heard of the rust issues that seem to get a lot of mention on this forum. But then again, I live in the south.
 

Meghan54

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I'd still go looking around for a deal on an Equinox...supposed to be one of the best SUVs in its class. I'd also look at its twin, the GMC Terrain, if you can handle the styling.

Others I'd consider: CR-V, RAV4, Escape, VW Tiguan, CX-5, and maybe the Kia Sportage. Not a huge Subaru fan myself, their styling leaves me rather cold.
 

mvbighead

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Why AWD?
Good winter tires and studded if allowed in your area should suffice unless I'd get AWD if you live in snowy + hilly areas. Just driving pavement and no gravel you get better FE and less maintenance with just FWD and initial cheaper purchasing price

I live in a snowy, hilly area, on a gravel road. One hill has a particularly steep grade, and all of my existing cars stay in 2 or 3 and the engine runs at about 2500-3000 RPM during the climb. Couple that hill with winter condition and AWD is something that is very beneficial.
 

sdifox

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I live in a snowy, hilly area, on a gravel road. One hill has a particularly steep grade, and all of my existing cars stay in 2 or 3 and the engine runs at about 2500-3000 RPM during the climb. Couple that hill with winter condition and AWD is something that is very beneficial.

get a subie, or Grand Cherokee.
 
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Vetterin

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I think you SHOULD get your wife to take a test drive in that Subaru Forrester as well as the Outback before you continue your search.
 

sdifox

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Already have an older Grand Cherokee. The mileage is not good, and while it might be better on a V6 model from 2013, I am less inclined to go this direction.

Can't have it both ways, you want low end torque, you gotta lug it around when you don't need it

Looks like subies are your best bet.

Also, look into used MDX.
 
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sdifox

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Mee...nee...vahn? What is this strange thing you speak of?

Seriously, though...the few even still being made are huge. Nissan Quest reminds me of big squared off half-ton cargo van. Or a Sprinter. Is the Caravan/Routan still being made?

Besides that, you've got the fact that every small SUV sits on a car platform with FWD, anyway. Heck, some of the bigger ones, too (Ford Explorer is FWD now).

Honestly, most of the small SUV's are just cars with a little extra ground clearance. Turn a Corolla into a hatchback and lift it...ta-da! Rav4.

I've always thought the Mazda5 was a pretty smart little car. The looks are a little odd, but I bet it carries more stuff than a Rav4 or similar. If not, it definitely can carry more people. I love the functionality of the interior, and you get the only two things that really 'make' a minivan (sliding doors and rear buckets/third row seating).

Maybe I'm prejudiced because I drive a 3. I'd trust the handling of that car over any other FWD, hands-down, which is 'safety' to me. The 5 drives about the same.

Personally I've never heard of the rust issues that seem to get a lot of mention on this forum. But then again, I live in the south.


Mazdas for some reason don't stand up to the North all that well.

My Protege5 started to rust in year 2. From the name plate at the back gate no less. Maybe the idiots didn't punch the holes before the galvinised.
 

mvbighead

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I think you SHOULD get your wife to take a test drive in that Subaru Forrester as well as the Outback before you continue your search.

We may be doing that. I did "insist" that the pricing is pretty good if we go that direction. There seems to be quite a following there, though we're not really Subi-people, we may end up test driving one to see what we think.

However, there is one nut in the mix right now...

I happened to peruse the CL and found several 05 Equinox vehicles with the 3.4 V6 at about 6-8k. Given our baby situation, it might not be terrible to completely avoid a payment scenario and just get a used one if we get something just old enough. The money isn't right in the 2010 with 30k miles, but an 05 with 80k-120k at 6k-8k, while the mpg isn't quite as high, it would still be a good 5mpg average better than the Grand Cherokee.

There is still much debate, but we may look that route over first, as it provides a decent stop gap solution that doesn't tie us up in payments.

As for Subies in that area, I honestly don't care for the style much at all. I sorta like their new stuff, but I'm simply not a fan of their look pre-2010.

This totally goes against what I mentioned as to a new vehicle, but as it's a possibility, and there are several options, I figure I ought to at least check them out.
 

desy

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Ah
If I were to go that old then I'd get a 06/07 Saturn Vue the V6 is actually a Honda engine same as the Acura MDX
You can go to fueleconomy.gov to compare a bunch of the vehicles you are interested
 
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