Looks like Intel is finally turning up the heat.

[Keysplayr]

They seem to have lit the fires under their own butts, so to speak.
This just looks like they are finally really trying to get their stuff back in order.
Maybe trying to be proactive instead of just responding to the competition. Like that "Core new Low" article claimed to observe about Intel.

Being an Intel fan myself (not a nut ) I just thought this was seemingly good news.
Enjoy

Yonah (Sossaman) blade servers

Quad Core Clovertown moved up from Q1 2007 to Q4 2006

Clovertown well into validation process. Working silicon samples

Kentsfield 4 core gaming chip moved up from mid '07 to early '07

Pentium D 805 seems to be a serious overclocker.

 

[BrownTown]

I certinaly must say that Intels marketing department deserves all the money they get. I mean they have had a worse product for years, and still dominate marketshare, and even though nobody has seen their new processors they have people believing they will beat AMD...

Basically, we don't know if merom architecture will be a sucess or not, so all these processors which are months or eyars away could just end up being a line of underperforming failures if the new architecure doesnt work as advertised.

 

[sellmen]

Originally posted by: BrownTown
I certinaly must say that Intels marketing department deserves all the money they get. I mean they have had a worse product for years, and still dominate marketshare, and even though nobody has seen their new processors they have people believing they will beat AMD...

Basically, we don't know if merom architecture will be a sucess or not, so all these processors which are months or eyars away could just end up being a line of underperforming failures if the new architecure doesnt work as advertised.

Intel's marketing is good, certianly, but AMD hasn't helped itself. I can't remember the last time I saw an AMD commercial - must have been years ago.

 

[Keysplayr]

Guys, this really has nothing to do with AMD except for the fact they are Intels direct competition. Marketing is marketing, agreed. But if Yonah is any indication of what Conroe/Merom and beyond will be, it could mean Intel has finally found it's focus that it desperately needed. Sometimes, one needs to go backwards to move forward, as is evident in Intel's decision to focus on the "PIII" architecture so to speak. I think we will see some good things from Intel this year and especially next year. I myself will most likely wait for Conroe to upgrade my current rig. If I see Intel really pushing to improve their products, then they will get my money of course. I was on the fence for my next upgrade, was potentially going AMD X2, then Yonah came around and fairly impressed everyone.

So, just keep in mind that this thread was just to show how Intel may be getting it's "focus" back, and not meant to say "Intel will pwn AMD really soon!" because it absolutely is not what I am saying. AMD has been awesome with what they have accomplished the past few years. Intel has been sleeping and they got themselves run over. I think they have finally woken up. We shall see. Looks promising so far.

 

[carlosd]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

So, just keep in mind that this thread was just to show how Intel may be getting it's "focus" back, and not meant to say "Intel will pwn AMD really soon!" because it absolutely is not what I am saying. AMD has been awesome with what they have accomplished the past few years. Intel has been sleeping and they got themselves run over. I think they have finally woken up. We shall see. Looks promising so far.

So they have been sleeping all the time, never been awake , because in the past they didn't have such a direct competition like AMD in the last years. So feeling the pressure of AMD they will finally wake up, but AMD won't be sitting looking at intel. There will be a though competition out there, but intel has the money and the marketing on their side.

 

[openwheelformula1]

Isn't Qua Opterons set to sample during mid 06? Isn't AMD's On-die memory architecture still outperformas Yonah? There are news regarding AMD's roadmap/releases, but they are much more tight lipped and simmered down. Marketing is really the key to success theses days for Intel.

 

[MrX8503]

Originally posted by: openwheelformula1
Isn't Qua Opterons set to sample during mid 06? Isn't AMD's On-die memory architecture still outperformas Yonah? There are news regarding AMD's roadmap/releases, but they are much more tight lipped and simmered down. Marketing is really the key to success theses days for Intel.

yonah vs. x2 3800+ are pretty much even. Yonah has the larger cache, x2 has the on die memory controller but less cache. I think its a diff story if you compare it to an opteron or an X2 with 2mb cache though.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: carlosd

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

So, just keep in mind that this thread was just to show how Intel may be getting it's "focus" back, and not meant to say "Intel will pwn AMD really soon!" because it absolutely is not what I am saying. AMD has been awesome with what they have accomplished the past few years. Intel has been sleeping and they got themselves run over. I think they have finally woken up. We shall see. Looks promising so far.

So they have been sleeping all the time, never been awake , because in the past they didn't have such a direct competition like AMD in the last years. So feeling the pressure of AMD they will finally wake up, but AMD won't be sitting looking at intel. There will be a though competition out there, but intel has the money and the marketing on their side.

Just to be clear, when I say Intel was "sleeping", that means not aggressive in the development department. They took seriously wrong turns toward long pipelines and Netburst, and by the time they realized it, KEPT GOING WITH IT. ????? Nobody was "awake" enough or in a proper decision making position to say, "Hey, we need to change the way we are doing things.

Intel led AMD in performance for a long time before the Athlon came along. Only then did we see AMD as "promising" and "wow, maybe they are onto something". But ever since P4 came around, AMD had the upper hand. Intel only came back with faster clocked Northwoods and took back the lead for a little while against the Athlon XP's. Then A64 came around, and the rest is history.

So, Intel was not always sleeping as I see that is the context you decided to go with. You just run with that.

Anyway, I would appreciate if we could just keep this an Intel info thread and not bring AMD in the mix any further. No need for AMD does this better or Intel does that better. We all know the score currently and where each companies products stands.

 

[openwheelformula1]

As far as Yonah vs. X2: Anandtech's own review speaks for itself. Yonah closes the gap between Netburst and AMD64, but Yonah is still behind. Yonah's gaming performance was surprising to me though.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2648&p=6

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: openwheelformula1
As far as Yonah vs. X2: Anandtech's own review speaks for itself. Yonah closes the gap between Netburst and AMD64, but Yonah is still behind. Yonah's gaming performance was surprising to me though.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2648&p=6

As a direct descendant of Dothan, Yonah's gaming performance didn't surprise me.

Yonah does a smidge better than the 760 Dothan overall, and always within just a few frames behind the x2 3800. So, gaming performance is pretty nice indeed. Now just imagine the improved Conroe/Merom at 2.6 to 3.33GHz. Should be pretty sweet.

 

[dexvx]

Originally posted by: openwheelformula1
As far as Yonah vs. X2: Anandtech's own review speaks for itself. Yonah closes the gap between Netburst and AMD64, but Yonah is still behind. Yonah's gaming performance was surprising to me though.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2648&p=6

Behind in what? At the same clock speeds, Yonah is more than capable of handling its own against a 2Ghz X2.

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
As a direct descendant of Dothan, Yonah's gaming performance didn't surprise me.

Yonah does a smidge better than the 760 Dothan overall, and always within just a few frames behind the x2 3800. So, gaming performance is pretty nice indeed. Now just imagine the improved Conroe/Merom at 2.6 to 3.33GHz. Should be pretty sweet.

People were speculating since Yonah's L2 latency was increased 40% compared to the Dothan, it would be worse than Dothan, clock to clock, single core. However, that does not appear to be the case. We've already seen Yonah O/C to 2.5+ Ghz, and it just flat out owns.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: dexvx


People were speculating since Yonah's L2 latency was increased 40% compared to the Dothan, it would be worse than Dothan, clock to clock, single core. However, that does not appear to be the case. We've already seen Yonah O/C to 2.5+ Ghz, and it just flat out owns.

Would you possibly have a link to the o/c'd Yonah with benchies? I'd be most interested in seeing how it does myself.

Thanks.

 

[pm]

Just to be clear, when I say Intel was "sleeping", that means not aggressive in the development department. They took seriously wrong turns toward long pipelines and Netburst, and by the time they realized it, KEPT GOING WITH IT. ????? Nobody was "awake" enough or in a proper decision making position to say, "Hey, we need to change the way we are doing things.

It's been my observation that few who aren't actually in the microprocessor industry have a really good understanding of just how long it takes to design, debug and ship a CPU.

It's about 4-5 years from start of a new microprocessor microarchitectural design to shipping a product.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: pm

Just to be clear, when I say Intel was "sleeping", that means not aggressive in the development department. They took seriously wrong turns toward long pipelines and Netburst, and by the time they realized it, KEPT GOING WITH IT. ????? Nobody was "awake" enough or in a proper decision making position to say, "Hey, we need to change the way we are doing things.

It's been my observation that few who aren't actually in the microprocessor industry have a really good understanding of just how long it takes to design, debug and ship a CPU.

It's about 4-5 years from start of a new microprocessor microarchitectural design to shipping a product.

Pentium M was worked on along side the Pentium 4 and probably even before. This has been considered. My point is, they could have switched over and concentrated on the Pentium M a LOT sooner than they did. I am not in the microprocessor industry, but I can read about it. I know how long it takes from concept to retail. The validation process alone is amazingly long. And every month/year/decade somebody finds a way to do something faster and better than before. So who's to say that the concept to fab process isn't considerably shorter than it was say 10 years ago. Anyway, Intel should have "reacted" a lot sooner than they did. They finally are, but it took them sooooo long.

 

[pm]

And every month/year/decade somebody finds a way to do something faster and better than before. So who's to say that the concept to fab process isn't considerably shorter than it was say 10 years ago. Anyway, Intel should have "reacted" a lot sooner than they did. They finally are, but it took them sooooo long.

Actually, if anything it's getting longer from concept to shipment for microprocessors. Fabrication takes longer (more steps), mask prep takes longer (fracture, OPC, etc.), design teams are larger and more cumbersome, the fab process is introducing new issues and backside debug (C3) is a lot harder and slower than front-side debug (wirebond). 10 years ago the design cycle was shorter than it is now.

So your point is that Intel's management didn't react quickly enough - and my point is that it takes 4-5 years to create a new design. How fast can you react when it takes an absolute minimum of 3 years to bring a product to market?

 

[mb]

I think Intel is working very hard to get back in 1st place with enthusiasts. Sure, they still have an over all lead, but that's not because of the quality & performance of their products.
I love my AMD X2 in my desktop, but I must say that the Core Duo in my new laptop is very fast despite being 600MHz slower. Sometime soon I might underclock my X2 to 1.83ghz and see how the two go clock for clock. If Intel can carry and increase this performance in their desktop chips, I fear AMD may be in some trouble if AM2 doesn't far surpase 939 in terms of performance.

All in all, it's great for us consumers

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: pm

Just to be clear, when I say Intel was "sleeping", that means not aggressive in the development department. They took seriously wrong turns toward long pipelines and Netburst, and by the time they realized it, KEPT GOING WITH IT. ????? Nobody was "awake" enough or in a proper decision making position to say, "Hey, we need to change the way we are doing things.

It's been my observation that few who aren't actually in the microprocessor industry have a really good understanding of just how long it takes to design, debug and ship a CPU.

It's about 4-5 years from start of a new microprocessor microarchitectural design to shipping a product.

Probably 3-4 years when you do a piss-poor job like INtel did with the Smithfields....How anyone can tell me this thing wasn't a rush to market and at least 1 year too early, I would be surprised....

 

[dmens]

Probably 3-4 years when you do a piss-poor job like INtel did with the Smithfields

That was 9 months. Design from scratch (concept) to market is 5 years minimum.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: dmens

Probably 3-4 years when you do a piss-poor job like INtel did with the Smithfields

That was 9 months. Design from scratch (concept) to market is 5 years minimum.

OK....either way it was wayyy too fast based on its utter failure....

 

[dmens]

I wonder how many 8xx sold compared to X2's...

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: dmens
I wonder how many 8xx sold compared to X2's...

I wonder how many display systems at Best Buy have 8xx chips in them as opposed to X2 chips...

 

[dmens]

I dunno.. best buy sucks. But that would be a interesting stat simply out of sheer amusement value...

 

[AkumaX]

Originally posted by: Avalon

Originally posted by: dmens
I wonder how many 8xx sold compared to X2's...

I wonder how many display systems at Best Buy have 8xx chips in them as opposed to X2 chips...

dell too

 

[AkumaX]

and in a technical sense, that last article you listed contradicts your thread title

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: dmens
I wonder how many 8xx sold compared to X2's...

We already established that means nothing, genius...It was still a collosal failure. Chip has no headroom...stock HSF could barely keep it cool...I bet you Dell systems around the world are helping to heat ppls homes, cost them too much in electricity and probably throttling....