US needs to stay out of this, there’s nothing good that would come from our intervention. Sucks for the people of Venezuala for sure but this isn’t our fight.
The naivety is overwhelming.Criticism of the election in 2018 is a simple propaganda tool. No evidence of widespread irregularities was ever presented.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/inter...ezuelas-election-pen-letter-to-the-eu/5670916
Maduro fucked Venezuela's oil. The country and its oil basically belong to China now....
Why is it so hard to for you to admit that the international crisis is nothing but a cynical play for Venezuela’s oil?
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You can't be serious.You know that most media in Venezuela is hostile to Maduro, right?
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You know that most media in Venezuela is hostile to Maduro, right?
140 countries consider recognize the results and consider Maduro to be the democratically elected president.
US needs to stay out of this, there’s nothing good that would come from our intervention. Sucks for the people of Venezuala for sure but this isn’t our fight.
Respectfully disagree here. Mass destruction and mass migration certainly will involve us - whether we like it or not. Naturally the longer this problem goes on - the more corrupt the areas will be. The more crimes/gangs that will form. The more it will spread to neighboring countries.
If the problem in Venezuela could be contained to Venezuela, I would be fine with letting them solve their own problems.
Here's something that has been lacking in this thread: a first person account of Venezuela and their 2018 election from one of the 100-150 election observers.
I'd urge anyone that's sincerely interested in what's going on in Venezuela to give it a listen. It's a very interesting account, and Fox does not avoid criticisms of Maduro or his government. As an observer, he had access to political leaders from all of the parties, as well as the election officials. A few things here:
- The UN and the EU refused to send election observers, so their positions on the elections are not based on first hand accounts from their people.
- Fox makes it clear that he, as well as the other observers he talked to, felt that the elections were fairly run. He did have some criticisms of the elections, which he discusses.
- He talks a lot about the dysfunction in Venezuela he was during his time, including petrol subsidies that lead to corruption from the army that patrols the borders with Columbia and Brazil. (Smugglers can buy cheap subsidized petrol and sell it at international prices in those two countries. Obviously the forces that are patrolling those borders can benefit from that)
- He talks about being unable to exchange his money for Venezuelan Bolivars, they were effectively unable to buy anything. He pointed out how crazy that is, given the shortage of foreign currency there.
- He got Venezuelan newspapers from his hotel, and he was surprised at how viciously anti-Maduro the press is there. It's very clear that the government does not control the press.
The majority of popular leaders of the MUD and other members of the opposition could not apply for the elections because of administrative and legal procedures and were disqualified from participating in the presidential elections by the government. This included Henrique Capriles (candidate in the 2012 and 2013 elections), Leopoldo López (sentenced to almost 14 years of prison during the 2014 protests), Antonio Ledezma (arrested in 2015 and later placed under house arrest), Freddy Guevara (whose parliamentary immunity was removed and fled to the residence of the Chilean ambassador), and David Smolansky (currently in exile), as well as María Corina Machado and Miguel Rodríguez Torres, former defense minister and dissident chavista, also incarcerated.[55] On 5 April 2017, the Comptroller General of Venezuela notified Capriles that for 15 years, he would be prevented from participating in public office, due to his alleged misuse of public funds, a charge that Capriles denied.[56]
The main opposition political parties were disqualified after they were forced to reregister themselves for a second time in less than a year by the National Electoral Council (CNE) after not participating in the 2017 municipal elections. The parties Popular Will and Puente refused to do so, while the CNE prevented Justice First; only the party Acción Democrática was revalidated.[58] In late January 2018, the Constitutional Chamber of the Supreme Tribunal of Justice blocked the revalidation of the Democratic Unity Roundtable card, the most voted in the electoral history of the country, and was also banned.[58][59] Finally, Justice First was disqualified weeks later from the presidential race in early February 2018, leaving only Democratic Action and other minor opposition parties.[60]
The actions by the government cleared the path for Henry Ramos Allup and his Democratic Action to gain popularity in the presidential elections. Ramos Allup was accused of "cozying up" to the ruling PSUV party during the recent regional elections. He has been criticized for his negotiations with the government.[57] After many other opposition parties were disqualified, President Maduro singled out Ramos Allup and stated that he would run against him.
Yes. Putin does the same thing. Eliminates term limits and bans candidates that might usurp him. He banned that "Navalny" guy from running against him.Almost all the potential opposition was banned from running before the election even took place. Several of the opposition leaders were in fact not qualified because they had been incarcerated by the Maduro regime for public protests. That alone invalidates this election in its entirety, regardless of what observers say happened during the voting. In a democracy, a real one anyway, the head of state doesn't get to decide who he runs against.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Venezuelan_presidential_election
For the third or fourth time. No election is legitimate if you stop your biggest opponents from even running. That is why countries who care about actual democracy didn’t send observers.Here's something that has been lacking in this thread: a first person account of Venezuela and their 2018 election from one of the 100-150 election observers.
I'd urge anyone that's sincerely interested in what's going on in Venezuela to give it a listen. It's a very interesting account, and Fox does not avoid criticisms of Maduro or his government. As an observer, he had access to political leaders from all of the parties, as well as the election officials. A few things here:
- The UN and the EU refused to send election observers, so their positions on the elections are not based on first hand accounts from their people.
- Fox makes it clear that he, as well as the other observers he talked to, felt that the elections were fairly run. He did have some criticisms of the elections, which he discusses.
- He talks a lot about the dysfunction in Venezuela he was during his time, including petrol subsidies that lead to corruption from the army that patrols the borders with Columbia and Brazil. (Smugglers can buy cheap subsidized petrol and sell it at international prices in those two countries. Obviously the forces that are patrolling those borders can benefit from that)
- He talks about being unable to exchange his money for Venezuelan Bolivars, they were effectively unable to buy anything. He pointed out how crazy that is, given the shortage of foreign currency there.
- He got Venezuelan newspapers from his hotel, and he was surprised at how viciously anti-Maduro the press is there. It's very clear that the government does not control the press.
Almost all the potential opposition was banned from running before the election even took place. Several of the opposition leaders were in fact not qualified because they had been incarcerated by the Maduro regime for public protests. That alone invalidates this election in its entirety, regardless of what observers say happened during the voting. In a democracy, a real one anyway, the head of state doesn't get to decide who he runs against.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Venezuelan_presidential_election
He's only interested in articles that support his conclusion.You linked Wikipedia @Blackjack200 already handwaved that away.
You linked Wikipedia @Blackjack200 already handwaved that away.
There is no point in ever handwaving wikipedia. The reason being that wiki has footnotes to its sources. Said footnotes are included in what I clipped. If he wants to handwave, he's going to have to handwave the press sources it relies upon. Wiki is a tertiary source and isn't the real source here. It's just handy to summarize.
Also, these are very specific facts. If he wants to claim that these specific people were not precluded from running for these specific reasons, then he better find his own source which explains that the whole thing is a hoax and a conspiracy against Maduro, and cites evidence.
More trouble in Venezuela as the areas outside Caracas deal with almost no power. Biggest thing that stood out to me was the lower food planting/yields due to an inability to pump water. That's going to cause even more problems down the road
https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1RO196
That's just some good all American Ingenuity. Almost certainly anyway, like the previous outages.
I can't finish that moron's video right now, but I will.
Brought up some good points, had some good explanations on what seems to be going on. The best one is why go there? For democratic ideal (yeah right) , because of the human rights abuses (then shit we should all be going into Saudi Arabia and other places with gun's a blazin). This is all about US economic greed (Exxon and Chevron getting kicked out of Venezuela)
Are you accusing the US of causing the blackouts?
Being involved, Yes.