Looks like Maduro's regime may (or may not) be collapsing in Venezuela

[ibex333]

Russia can go frick itself. They need a good ol taste of the Monroe Doctrine.

You need to remember, that Venzuela is a sovereign country. It is none of US business what goes on there, and a certain longstanding president is there to remind people like you of this simple fact.

It is not the point if Maduro is a tyrant or not. The point is, it's none of your god damned business, comrade!

 

[UglyCasanova]

You need to remember, that Venzuela is a sovereign country. It is none of US business what goes on there, and a certain longstanding president is there to remind people like you of this simple fact.

It is not the point if Maduro is a tyrant or not. The point is, it's none of your god damned business, comrade!

Cuba was a sovereign country too but it was absolutely our business if Russia set up missiles there. Russia is setting up a bomber base in Venezuela. Our business.


Edit: don’t want my post to be misconstrued as advocating for military (or CIA etc) intervention because I’m absolutely not.

 

[Ichinisan]

... USA <> Venezuela.

What on earth does that mean?

this <> that
this != that
this [is not] that
this [is not equal to] that
this [is different from] that
this [is either less-than or greater-than] that

Programmers get it.

 

[Genx87]

Honestly at this point given the HYPER MEGA fucking inflation that Venezuela has experienced - I am surprised that anyone is left there. I'm sure Maduro is smart enough to keep the military fed and happy - but all the citizens? At this point I would have expected them to be dead from starvation or gone to a neighbor country.




All I can gather is that... Mr. Guaido is fucking young. Young as fuck. He has some vision, but the sudden magical trusting in him as a smart leader just because he isn't Maduro seems just as stupid to me...

Overall I hope for the best.

Maduro has turned over food distribution to the military. The avg Venezuelan has lost something like 22 pounds in the last 12 months. You are spot on with your assessment of the situation.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

this <> that
this != that
this [is not] that
this [is not equal to] that
this [is different from] that

Programmers get it.

Anyone with half a brain gets that.

 

[UglyCasanova]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-embassy-idUSKCN1PK0RV

CARACAS (Reuters) - Venezuela’s top military envoy to the United States defected from the government of President Nicolas Maduro on Saturday, as the South American nation said the two countries had scaled back their diplomatic missions to skeleton staff.

 

[brandonbull]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1088599057981943809

Dem representative supports Mexico in backing Madura

Not a surprise that the Dems, Russia, China, and Iran seem to agree.

 

[Blackjack200]

I’m unaware of any evidence that the US has given the opposition any support other than recognition? We may have, but I’m unaware of it.

Also if anything wouldn’t Maduro’s actions be the coup?

I wonder if you have any issue with the threats now coming from the administration. Does this constitute “backing” in your book?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1089569353421463554

 

[fskimospy]

I wonder if you have any issue with the threats now coming from the administration. Does this constitute “backing” in your book?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1089569353421463554

No, of course not. Any country should defend its citizens and diplomatic personnel, and murdering your domestic opposition shouldn’t be ignored.

I’m confused here, why are you trying so hard here to make the US the bad guys? Maduro is the bad guy.

 

[Greenman]

I would potentially support a limited mission to extract US nationals being held by the Venezuelan government if that happened. Otherwise we should stay out.

By limited, I assume you mean limited scope, the single objective of rescuing US nationals and not the methods used to achieve that goal?

 

[Greenman]

No, of course not. Any country should defend its citizens and diplomatic personnel, and murdering your domestic opposition shouldn’t be ignored.

I’m confused here, why are you trying so hard here to make the US the bad guys? Maduro is the bad guy.

I think it's the desire to make Trump the bad guy. No matter what he does or doesn't do, it will be an abject failure.

In a rare cosmic collision, you and I are on the same page here (it had to happen sooner or later, don't panic). I would stretch your constraints to allow the air drop of food, which many would construe as interference. Other than that, your assessment and and action triggers are right on.

 

[fskimospy]

By limited, I assume you mean limited scope, the single objective of rescuing US nationals and not the methods used to achieve that goal?

I would want moderation in both.

 

[Blackjack200]

No, of course not. Any country should defend its citizens and diplomatic personnel, and murdering your domestic opposition shouldn’t be ignored.

I’m confused here, why are you trying so hard here to make the US the bad guys? Maduro is the bad guy.

I think it's the desire to make Trump the bad guy. No matter what he does or doesn't do, it will be an abject failure.

In a rare cosmic collision, you and I are on the same page here (it had to happen sooner or later, don't panic). I would stretch your constraints to allow the air drop of food, which many would construe as interference. Other than that, your assessment and and action triggers are right on.

Well this is awkward. I’ll show myself out and let the two of you cheerlead an American backed coup in an oil rich nation. I’m sure this one will turn out great.

 

[fskimospy]

Well this is awkward. I’ll show myself out and let the two of you cheerlead an American backed coup in an oil rich nation. I’m sure this one will turn out great.

I’m still waiting for you to explain why the head of the National Assembly is leading a coup and not the guy who clearly engineered his own fraudulent election.

 

[Blackjack200]

I’m still waiting for you to explain why the head of the National Assembly is leading a coup and not the guy who clearly engineered his own fraudulent election.

Yeah, no, absolutely. The guy that won the election in 2018 is the one seizing power. Not the guy that abruptly declared himself president after getting a call from Mike Pence. Brilliant. Enjoy.

 

[fskimospy]

Yeah, no, absolutely. The guy that won the election in 2018 is the one seizing power. Not the guy that abruptly declared himself president after getting a call from Mike Pence. Brilliant. Enjoy.

Have you seriously taken no time to see what that election was?

Did Putin or Kim Jong Un win the most recent election?

 

[Blackjack200]

Have you seriously taken no time to see what that election was?

Did Putin or Kim Jong Un win the most recent election?

You'll have to excuse me, I forgot that I was dealing with an expert on Venezuelan elections.

 

[Greenman]

Well this is awkward. I’ll show myself out and let the two of you cheerlead an American backed coup in an oil rich nation. I’m sure this one will turn out great.

So the right thing to do is let those people starve?
Maduro and his policies have categorically failed, he's lead a nation to ruin and the brink of civil war. Why should the US give him the time of day?
And speaking of cosmic collisions, I never thought I'd see you on team Putin.

 

[JEDIYoda]

President Monroe says fuck right off Mr. Putin.

President Trump says let me get on my knees Mr. Putin.

hERE LET ME CORRECT THAT FOR YOU -- President Trump gets on his knees and opens his mouth for Mr. Putin.

 

[fskimospy]

You'll have to excuse me, I forgot that I was dealing with an expert on Venezuelan elections.

Well to make the judgments you have you must be an expert.

 

[brycejones]

The US has a very complicated history obviously in the region with trying to force our will through regime change. However there is a true crisis Venezuela and a legitimately elected legislature that is trying restore the rule of law to their country. We should support them in that effort diplomatically. If they are successful we should support them with further aid as well to help restore their country. We should be their friend and supportive of freedom and democracy. If the new leaders turn down an authoritarian path of their own we should then pull our support so we are consistent. Our problem is all to often we're willing to give up our ideals in exchange for short term transactional relationships with undemocratic regimes that abuse their people. That is the kind of intervention we must stop.

 

[Blackjack200]

Well to make the judgments you have you must be an expert.

Quite. Anyway, I said I’d show myself out of this thread, and I think I should honor that.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1088001839218544640

 

[fskimospy]

What’s weird is I am arguing aginst intervention.

 

[brandonbull]

What’s weird is I am arguing aginst intervention.

Not a surprise because Russia, China, and Iran support Maduro.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

No, of course not. Any country should defend its citizens and diplomatic personnel, and murdering your domestic opposition shouldn’t be ignored.

I’m confused here, why are you trying so hard here to make the US the bad guys? Maduro is the bad guy.

Because republicans are in charge and are taking action on it.... So... you know... it's gotta be wrong you know? Whatever republicans are doing... the opposite is what we should do.

Yes, people are that retardedly partisan.