Looks like Maduro's regime may (or may not) be collapsing in Venezuela

[fskimospy]

Yes, it's good to be in America, land of fair elections.

While America certainly has a lot of work to do on making its elections more fair you know as well as I do that they don't compare to the most recent Venezuelan election. I mean did you really think Maduro increased from 50.6% support to nearly 70% support over the last 5 years when those years have yielded an unprecedented economic collapse, mass hunger, and the continuing disintegration of society? The election was clearly a sham so no, to say he was elected means little. If anything I would say the member of the National Assembly has a stronger claim than Maduro. It was a close thing too as if you remember Maduro attempted to effectively abolish the National Assembly in 2017.

I would not support any US military involvement in Venezuela and I would not support us getting involved in any civil conflict that might arise. I am fully supportive of the US recognizing the opposition to a monster, however.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Honestly at this point given the HYPER MEGA fucking inflation that Venezuela has experienced - I am surprised that anyone is left there. I'm sure Maduro is smart enough to keep the military fed and happy - but all the citizens? At this point I would have expected them to be dead from starvation or gone to a neighbor country.

Thank Vishnu! I hope Maduro and Chavez go down in history as the absolute monsters that they are/were for destroying a vibrant, thriving, relatively free country.

What do we know about Mr. Guaido? Swapping one dictator-in-all-but-name for another isn't exactly the revolution Venezuela needs. I hope he stays true to the "interim" part of his title.

Finally, I don't know if I can support a military excursion into Venezuela by outside forces. Maduro still commands a significant amount of the population as supporters, as well as likely most of the military. It would be messy.

All I can gather is that... Mr. Guaido is fucking young. Young as fuck. He has some vision, but the sudden magical trusting in him as a smart leader just because he isn't Maduro seems just as stupid to me...

Overall I hope for the best.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Who backs who

Where did Mexico say they were backing Maduro ? Not doubting you - just asking since this is news to me.

I can't quite fathom why Mexico would be in favor of Maduro, since instability in Venezuela would undoubtedly lead to mass migration to Mexico I would think.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

While America certainly has a lot of work to do on making its elections more fair you know as well as I do that they don't compare to the most recent Venezuelan election. I mean did you really think Maduro increased from 50.6% support to nearly 70% support over the last 5 years when those years have yielded an unprecedented economic collapse, mass hunger, and the continuing disintegration of society? The election was clearly a sham so no, to say he was elected means little. If anything I would say the member of the National Assembly has a stronger claim than Maduro. It was a close thing too as if you remember Maduro attempted to effectively abolish the National Assembly in 2017.

I would not support any US military involvement in Venezuela and I would not support us getting involved in any civil conflict that might arise. I am fully supportive of the US recognizing the opposition to a monster, however.

So if Maduro is the next Hitler and starts exterminating opposing citizens (just making stuff up obviously), you wouldn't be in favor of US involvement?

 

[fskimospy]

So if Maduro is the next Hitler and starts exterminating opposing citizens (just making stuff up obviously), you wouldn't be in favor of US involvement?

Of course I would. I meant given the current situation it seems like US military involvement would make the situation worse, not better. There is always some rational limit to that though, it would be immoral to stand by and watch a massacre.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Of course I would. I meant given the current situation it seems like US military involvement would make the situation worse, not better. There is always some rational limit to that though, it would be immoral to stand by and watch a massacre.

Because I mean at this point... given the level of starvation... It can't be too far from the truth.

Their currency is so utterly worthless right now, they simply can't even do anything with it anymore. Is there really that big of a difference between starving your citizens and actually doing the killing yourself?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Where did Mexico say they were backing Maduro ? Not doubting you - just asking since this is news to me.

I can't quite fathom why Mexico would be in favor of Maduro, since instability in Venezuela would undoubtedly lead to mass migration to Mexico I would think.

https://www.france24.com/en/20190123-mexico-backs-maduro-venezuela-president-amid-crisis

 

[fskimospy]

Because I mean at this point... given the level of starvation... It can't be too far from the truth.

Their currency is so utterly worthless right now, they simply can't even do anything with it anymore. Is there really that big of a difference between starving your citizens and actually doing the killing yourself?

More than anything my concern would be that the population would view it as very different. While I know very little about Venezuelan politics I don't get the sense that the average person there believes Maduro is purposefully starving them. I feel like in most cases that would make a pretty big difference in how it is perceived.

 

[UglyCasanova]

I wish Steeplerot still posted here

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

https://www.france24.com/en/20190123-mexico-backs-maduro-venezuela-president-amid-crisis

I guess it's not surprising given the retard that they elected recently.

But... of course... he doesn't want to share the wealth of their state oil pipelines. He doesn't seem very caring....

 

[sdifox]

Recognition isn't backing? Let's see what surfaces in FOIA requests in 10 years.



Getting elected is a coup?

Err banning other people from running doesn't make the election invalid?

 

[Ichinisan]

Who backs who

WTF, Mexico?!

 

[dank69]

WTF, Mexico?!

The Mexican government has a slight problem with corruption.

 

[Victorian Gray]

President Monroe says fuck right off Mr. Putin.

President Trump says let me get on my knees Mr. Putin.

Munroe can (posthumously) go fuck himself as well.

 

[UNCjigga]

Munroe can (posthumously) go fuck himself as well.

Do the cartels help Venezuela evade sanctions on oil? I don’t know the answer...just curious if they use their transport networks to move product.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Do the cartels help Venezuela evade sanctions on oil? I don’t know the answer...just curious if they use their transport networks to move product.

and this relates to Monroe and his bogus "Monroe Doctrine" how?

 

[cytg111]

Looks like fun times ahead


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-warns-u-s-against-military-intervention-venezuela-n962091

Russia warns U.S. against military intervention in Venezuela
MOSCOW — Russia warned the U.S. on Thursday not to intervene militarily in Venezuela, saying such a move would trigger a catastrophe.
Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaido declared himself interim president on Wednesday, winning the backing of Washington and prompting socialist incumbent Nicolas Maduro to sever diplomatic relations with the United States. Violence flared during big protests across Venezuela, and at least seven deaths were reported.

In an interview with Russian journal International Affairs published on Thursday, Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said Moscow would stand with Venezuela to protect its sovereignty and the principle of non-interference in its domestic affairs.

If only someone had warned Vlad before he used military intervention in Crimea and eastern Ukraine ...

"Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said Moscow would stand with Venezuela to protect its sovereignty and the principle of non-interference in its domestic affairs."

Like ... WTF?
Sooooo ... Russia about to roll up on your doorstep bro? And Trump being Putins bitch will do what about it? Nooooooooooooothing. Thats what.

 

[UglyCasanova]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1088599057981943809

Dem representative supports Mexico in backing Madura

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1088599057981943809

Dem representative supports Mexico in backing Madura

Wow, she must be wearing an item that gives +50 to retardation.

Just wow. Wowowowow. I mean just take a look at who back Maduro and who doesnt....

Back Maduro: China, Russia, Mexico

Backs Opposition: Most of South America, Canada, Europe...

I mean seriously, it takes a VERY special kind of stupid to reach that level. Jesus fuck, god help us. I honestly hope we can enact legislation that doesn't allow for fucking retards like that to reproduce. Sadly she has already done her damage with 3 it seems.

 

[UNCjigga]

and this relates to Monroe and his bogus "Monroe Doctrine" how?

oops...hit reply on wrong post...that was in response to Dank’s post on Mexico corruption.

 

[MixMasterTang]

Some people need to work on their reading comprehension. Supporting "Mexico, Uruguay & the Vatican's efforts to facilitate a peaceful dialogue" somehow means supporting Maduro?!? Where is my jump to conclusions mat so I can join in on the fun!

 

[Atreus21]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-guaido/venezuela-opposition-leader-swears-himself-in-as-interim-president-idUSKCN1PH2AN?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+reuters/topNews+(News+/+US+/+Top+News)&utm_source=reddit.com

CARACAS (Reuters) - Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaido took an oath swearing himself in as the South American country’s interim president on Wednesday, as hundreds of thousands marched to demand the end of socialist President Nicolas Maduro’s government.

Guaido, the head of the opposition-run Congress, has said he would be willing to assume the presidency on an interim basis with the support of the armed forces to call elections. The United States is mulling recognizing him as the country’s legitimate president, sources said.


Pic of the crowds

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/23/ven...ican-diplomats-72-hours-to-leave-country.html

• Venezuela’s Nicolas Maduro says he is breaking diplomatic relations with the United States.
• Earlier, the Trump administration said it recognizes opposition leader Juan Guaido as the country’s interim president.
• Maduro says U.S. diplomatic personnel have 72 hours to leave the country.

Somebody just needs to off the guy already.

God help those people.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Some people need to work on their reading comprehension. Supporting "Mexico, Uruguay & the Vatican's efforts to facilitate a peaceful dialogue" somehow means supporting Maduro?!? Where is my jump to conclusions mat so I can join in on the fun!

Let's break this down a bit

A US backed coup in Venezuela is not a solution to the dire issues they face.

There is no "US backed coup in Venezuela"... there is a FUCK TON of starving citizens though. See the citizens protesting today, it was literally up and down huge streets with thousands upon thousands of people. The US plays no part in that - or organizing that.

Trump's efforts to install a far right opposition will only incite violence and further destabilize the region.

lol wut? Where is trump trying to instill far-right governments? How are they trying to incite violence that isn't already there? How are they trying to destabilize what is already not stable? People are literally at the point of starvation, hence the term "Maduro diet"

We must support Mexico, Uruguay & the Vatican's efforts to facilitate a peaceful dialogue.

"We must support all of the nations that support Maduro over the opposing uprising"...

Seems pretty self explanatory - support the corrupt socialist regime that has been in power. You know... unless of course, you're not retarded and want to actually have a say in your government. But who wants that amirite? I mean all of our historic best allies are on the side of Venezuela... Cuba.... Russia.... China.... Nothing but the best right?

 

[Atreus21]

While America certainly has a lot of work to do on making its elections more fair you know as well as I do that they don't compare to the most recent Venezuelan election. I mean did you really think Maduro increased from 50.6% support to nearly 70% support over the last 5 years when those years have yielded an unprecedented economic collapse, mass hunger, and the continuing disintegration of society? The election was clearly a sham so no, to say he was elected means little. If anything I would say the member of the National Assembly has a stronger claim than Maduro. It was a close thing too as if you remember Maduro attempted to effectively abolish the National Assembly in 2017.

I would not support any US military involvement in Venezuela and I would not support us getting involved in any civil conflict that might arise. I am fully supportive of the US recognizing the opposition to a monster, however.

What do you think the US should do if Maduro arrests our diplomats?

 

[Victorian Gray]

oops...hit reply on wrong post...that was in response to Dank’s post on Mexico corruption.

Ah, that makes more sense.