Looks like Skyrim has shipped.

[shortylickens]

Who cares? That's like saying 'as soon as it's in the store you can get a gun and rob the store and get a free copy!' Well, ya you can, but don't act like it's ok.

Obviously you do cuz you posted.
And please dont drag out the tired old "same as armed robbery" argument because its been shot to hell many times already and now all it does is inflame people.
Straw man. I never said it was OK, please dont put write my side of the discussion for me, especially if you're gonna be wrong.

My point was even though its not officially released until the 11th, the simple fact that the final version disc is out there in the world with the regular people means SOMEBODY, somewhere, is gonna open a box, rip the disc, and post it online. Then soon somebody ELSE will hack it so the game is playable regardless of any online requirements.
Tons of people will be playing the full version of the game long before its legally available. And I'm sorry if you dont like that but its the simple truth. I never said I liked it, I never said I was gonna do it.
Be cool daddy-o.

 

[Demo24]

Awesome! I'm waiting on the pre-load myself, which should start sometime next week. Then just got to wait till 12:01am est for it to unlock next friday! Although I won't really be able to play it for 12hrs later, oh well .

Been playing some Oblivion lately (original goal to beat it before skyrim, not going to happen) to sorta prepare myself.


Question, should I read up on the story before I play Skyrim? I know they said you won't have needed to have played previous games, but I'm not entirely sure how this all connects.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Speaking of which....Newegg has a "armed robbery" set on sale this week. Those guys have EVERYTHING.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...S06K7052-L035B

 

[wanderer27]

So I'll have to install Steam? Haven't needed it yet.

http://www.shacknews.com/article/69772/elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-uses-steamworks-on-pc

According to Bethesda, you'll actually have to have the Steam client running full time just to play :

Do I need Steam to run Skyrim on PC?
Yes. Skyrim is strictly tied to Steam for both physical retail DVD discs and online digital-only purchases. To play Skyrim, you launch the Steam client and then launch Skyrim from the Steam library, leaving the Steam client running in the background. Directly launching the Skyrim executable found in the Steam folder will also launch the Steam client, as Steam is hooked into the Skyrim executable.

Can I just run Skyrim without Steam running in the background?
No. The Steam client must be running to play Skyrim, and discussion on circumventing Steam by running Skyrim by any other means will not be allowed within these forums.

Do I need to be connected to the internet to activate Skyrim?
Yes. There is no such thing as offline activation.

Do I need to be connected to the internet to play Skyrim?
No. Steam is able to run in offline mode, meaning that you need to get online only once to activate Skyrim and install any required updates/patches, and don't need to be connected to the internet to play it. See here for the official guide, and the last entry in this FAQ for more detailed instructions on how to set the Steam client to offline mode so that it can stay offline for a long time. The Steam client is often updated, and the offline mode is known to be still a little buggy nowadays, hence it is advisable follow the latter instructions to set the client in permanent offline mode once you have activated Skyrim if you need extended offline time, and regardless of any further Steam client updates.

Here's the full Bethesda Steam Link:

http://forums.bethsoft.com/index.php?/topic/1242199-skyrim-and-steam/


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[ParadoxDenmark]

Wouldn't have been the first time, I found a crack, for a game I bought, to increase the performance or just to get rid of something, which didn't make sense.

Can't say I look forward to this game much. Oblivion looked nice, but was extremely boring.

Of course, that was a long time ago. Hope they've learned something!

 

[shortylickens]

Wouldn't have been the first time, I found a crack, for a game I bought, to increase the performance or just to get rid of something, which didn't make sense.

Can't say I look forward to this game much. Oblivion looked nice, but was extremely boring.

Of course, that was a long time ago. Hope they've learned something!

If you forge ahead with the main quest and only do the best guild quests like the Dark Brotherhood, the game is pretty good. Wandering around searching caves and ruins certainly isnt for everyone.

 

[Merad]

According to Bethesda, you'll actually have to have the Steam client running full time just to play :

That's how Steam works.

 

[shortylickens]

That's how Steam works.

Yeah I saw that and was gonna comment but it just seemed too obvious.

And frankly compared to all the other services like YuPlay and such Steam is really damn good. It can work offline, it doesnt cut you off from your titles. You can always re-install later with no BS. For most games your key codes are automatically installed.

 

[Imp]

Bastards... I just started Uncharted 3... Oh, and there's a huge dent in my wallet from a new leather jacket.

 

[shortylickens]

Bastards... I just started Uncharted 3... Oh, and there's a huge dent in my wallet from a new leather jacket.

The leather jacket will last longer and provide greater happiness.

 

[SMOGZINN]

And frankly compared to all the other services like YuPlay and such Steam is really damn good. It can work offline, it doesnt cut you off from your titles. You can always re-install later with no BS. For most games your key codes are automatically installed.

Steam is DRM done right. Lets face it DRM is a part of gaming that is not going away, so we might as well support the DRM that actually adds some value to a product, and Steam is the best so far. The ability to build a library of games that I can install and re-install games when ever I want is valuable to me, and add to that the cloud storage of saves, and lets not forget the crazy sale prices on games, and we end up with a DRM that not only I can live with, but can be happy about.

I think part of the key to Steam being successful is that they have built a reputation of being trustworthy. I'm not afraid that if I buy a game that uses Steamworks that it will stop working in a month or two when they decide that particular game is not profitable enough to continue hosting. Even games that no longer are sold on Steam still work after they take them down.

 

[Krakn3Dfx]

They have copies at the store?
This will be on torrents tonight, trust me.
And if it has some online activation before you can play, it will be cracked in 24 hours.

I doubt it, it requires Steam, and usually there's a small portion of the game itself (like the .exe) that is downloaded once the game finally activates on the Steam system.

I've never seen a Steam-only game get leaked and cracked before it was available to buy.

Regardless tho, going to the midnight launch at the Skyrim by my house and I'd say there's a high probability I will be feeling...*cough cough* a little under the weather on Friday.

 

[gothamhunter]

I doubt it, it requires Steam, and usually there's a small portion of the game itself (like the .exe) that is downloaded once the game finally activates on the Steam system.

I've never seen a Steam-only game get leaked and cracked before it was available to buy.

I have. It can be done. If they have a physical copy they can make ways to make it completely bypass Steam. I had to do this for a game on my sister's computer one time because she got it before Steam released it.

 

[Ross Ridge]

Wouldn't have been the first time, I found a crack, for a game I bought, to increase the performance or just to get rid of something, which didn't make sense.

Having the Steam client running in the background doesn't hurt the performance of games. Anyways, I'm not sure if the cracks for Steam games actually remove the requirement to run the client, they just spoof the server or something like that.

 

[Ross Ridge]

I've never seen a Steam-only game get leaked and cracked before it was available to buy.

Well apparently reviewers already have copies of the game in their hands so it's probably already up on Steam, just not for general sale. Either way, there's full copies out there for the cracking.

 

[Jschmuck2]

Any word on whether or not Amazon will do a digital download?

 

[shortylickens]

Any word on whether or not Amazon will do a digital download?

Even if they do you'll still need Steam. Ditto the disc version.

 

[TakeNoPrisoners]

Even if they do you'll still need Steam. Ditto the disc version.

This, I downloaded Deus Ex from Amazon and it installed itself using Steam.

 

[wanderer27]

That's how Steam works.

I was referring more to the fact that it's used for more than just activating the game.

I don't use Steam, so I'm not familiar with all the intricacies, but to me having to have a client process running in the background all the time is far worse than a disk check.

But like I've said on here before, a lot of you love Steam, it's just not something I'm going to tolerate.


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[Merad]

I was referring more to the fact that it's used for more than just activating the game.

Yes... that's how Steam works. Every Steam game needs the Steam client running to play the game. Every Steam game needs an internet connection, or Steam activated in offline mode.

I don't use Steam, so I'm not familiar with all the intricacies, but to me having to have a client process running in the background all the time is far worse than a disk check.

Meh, 10-15 years ago it was worth be obsessively anal about every single process running on your PC. Today, not so much. And Steam is most definitely not an intrusive process (in terms of memory or CPU usage).

 

[shortylickens]

I was referring more to the fact that it's used for more than just activating the game.

I don't use Steam, so I'm not familiar with all the intricacies, but to me having to have a client process running in the background all the time is far worse than a disk check.

But like I've said on here before, a lot of you love Steam, it's just not something I'm going to tolerate.

You better learn. Very soon ALL games are going to require a background app running. And Steam is by far the least invasive and most functional out there. And with modern OS's it uses even fewer resources while your game actually runs.
And when you arent playing Steam games you can kill it quickly and bring it back even quicker.

 

[gothamhunter]

I was referring more to the fact that it's used for more than just activating the game.

I don't use Steam, so I'm not familiar with all the intricacies, but to me having to have a client process running in the background all the time is far worse than a disk check.

But like I've said on here before, a lot of you love Steam, it's just not something I'm going to tolerate.


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wah

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[HeXen]

I dont like being forced to use it when its really not necessary, for example New Vegas.

I don't like it when i have other games that force Origin or GFWL. whats next? impulse too on top of all them?

i wouldnt mind IF they automatically could shut down once i exit the game. I hate having Origin loaded after i exit BF3 and then go play another and have Steam running too. its just not necessary.
now were seeing browser plugins?
imagine if more and more games wanted to include their own plugins? it all just adds up to more and more with nothing to stop it. Again, it would be fine if everything automatically disabled once exiting the game.

i wonder if Rockstar will force Social club again? i just see all this as potentially never ending, buy 10 games and potentially end up with 10 plugins, 10 clients and what the heck ever else each publisher wants.

 

[Ross Ridge]

now were seeing browser plugins?
imagine if more and more games wanted to include their own plugins? it all just adds up to more and more with nothing to stop it. Again, it would be fine if everything automatically disabled once exiting the game.

Plug-ins like these are only loaded when the game using them is running and unload automatically when the game exits. Pretty much like having a game installed on your hard disk normally.

And game services like Steam, Origin, etc... aren't the problem. They have pretty minimal footprints and while may keep going after started, can at least be configured to not to load every time you boot the machine. It's nothing compared to the dozens of services, pre-loaders, and updaters that most people have running on their machines all for applications they never actually use.

 

[wanderer27]

You better learn. Very soon ALL games are going to require a background app running. And Steam is by far the least invasive and most functional out there. And with modern OS's it uses even fewer resources while your game actually runs.
And when you arent playing Steam games you can kill it quickly and bring it back even quicker.

When a lot of the game genres I'm interested in starting going the absurd DRM implementation route, I thought it was going to be a challenge in not partaking of the type of games I enjoyed.

Surprisingly, it's been far easier than I thought it would be, primarily thanks to all the Indie developers popping up to fill the void.

I have such a huge backlog of games (thanks to Indies) that I'll be busy for a long time, so I'm not really missing anything.
I'm off the constant upgrade treadmill, and I'm not dumping loads of cash on mediocre to sub-par titles.

It started out as a matter of Principle, but it's actually been enlightening.

Everyone has their own ideas and morals, I'm not begrudging anyone that - I just have a different path.




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