Looks like the Berkeley Wackos are at it again

[Moonbeam]

Amused Quote: I'll concede to your last point, Moonie. At the same time, the organizers in their attempt to exlude nobody, have excluded everybody. When you make something so flavorless, what good is it?
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I think they wanted to exclude what they thought was undesirable as if that were a cure. You can't stop nationalism by trying to bottle it up. That's exactly the technique used by conformists against the odd. They thought what they were doing was good and right but you can't make people be good by stopping undesirable behavior no matter how undesireable it may be. All these battles must be won in the hearts and minds of people. The 'good' person doesn't even need law because he lives it internally. By trying to exclude nobody, I don't know if they were excluding everybody, but they were surely excluding those who feel differently about the red white and blue. Now they can take there case where it should be stated, at the microphones. Let them make the appeal to non exclucivity and let the excluded find inclusion there.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: EngineNr9


So, since we're generalizing, what are they going to do on 9/11/02 in Texas. Drink Budweiser and lynch black people?

budweiser!?! down here we have real beer, shiner!

and i think wednesday nights are for driving around shooting at road signs.

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: ThePresence
HOLD EVERYTHING! BERKELEY REVERSED THE DECISION!!!!!
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At least one person out there has some sense. I love the " she doesn't speak for this university, I speak for this university" statement. That must of stung that pretentious little b!tch plenty.

 

[PistachioByAzul]

There was no argument to begin with, only mean spirited drivel from people who can't stand the thought that not everyone thinks as they do. It's hypocritical to be an American and not question authority, to not challenge nationalism and the close mindedness it brings about.

 

[Red Dawn]

I love the " she doesn't speak for this university, I speak for this university" statement. That must of stung that pretentious little b!tch plenty.

She sounds like an angry lesbian.. like there are any other kind of lesbian.

 

[bulldawg]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

I love the " she doesn't speak for this university, I speak for this university" statement. That must of stung that pretentious little b!tch plenty.

She sounds like an angry lesbian.. like there are any other kind of lesbian.

Yep.

 

[Riprorin]

There was no argument to begin with, only mean spirited drivel from people who can't stand the thought that not everyone thinks as they do. It's hypocritical to be an American and not question authority, to not challenge nationalism and the close mindedness it brings about.

Leave it to someone from Berzerkley to defend banning political and religious expression while labeling those who defend these freedoms as mean spirited, nationalistic, hypocrites.

 

[PistachioByAzul]

The only thing they attempted to ban was endorsed religious and political expression. The mic is open.

 

[flavio]

Leave it to someone from Berzerkley to defend banning political and religious expression while labeling those who defend these freedoms as mean spirited, nationalistic, hypocrites.

Wow, you have some issues with reading comprehension eh?

 

[Riprorin]

Wow, you have some issues with reading comprehension eh?

No, my reading comprehension is fine, thanks.

How are you at vocabulary?

Here's Webster's defintion of nationalism: "loyality and devotion to a nation; esp: a sense of national consciousness exalting one's nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups."

Why do you equate patriotic symbols and religious references with nationalism?

 

[flavio]

nationalistic, patriotic, or religious themes just so happen not to be part of this particular event. It is an event to honor the dead with an open mic for personal views. Therefore there is no "banning of political and religious expression". This event is about something else, but if someone wants to express themselves in a certain way there is an open mic.

So it seems fairly ridiculous for you to draw the conclusions you have.

 

[Riprorin]

"Those who aren't selected to speak by Quindel and her undergraduate counterpart, Gabriel, will have an opportunity to speak at an open microphone assembly in the evening. But if last year's open microphone assembly on the night the attacks occurred is any guide, there will likely not be an opportunity for patriotic speech Wednesday. At last Sept. 11's vigil, members of the Berkeley College Republicans were shouted down while speaking of patriotism."

Oh, yes, we're going to ban free expression and hand pick speakers that share our warped politcal views, but we'll give you an open mike so we can proceed to shout you down. How open minded.

 

[Red Dawn]

Oh, yes, we're going to ban free expression and hand pick speakers that share our warped politcal views, but we'll give you an open mike so we can proceed to shout you down. How open minded.

So what's new, it's Bezerkley and it's been like that for 40 years. I'nm sure the same thing would happen to Rosie ODonell at an NRA Rally.

 

[Riprorin]

Maybe so, but this isn't an NRA rally. Berkeley is a government-supported, public institution, is it not?

 

[Red Dawn]

Berkeley is a government-supported, public institution, is it not?

Yep , with a bunch of Idealistic Kids attending it. Should we send in the Storm Troopers and make them behave? I have a better idea, let's just ignore them like they deserve.

 

[thomsbrain]

Originally posted by: EngineNr9
School-sponsored 9-11 Remembrance Day to exclude patriotic symbols and religious references

Right on.

 

[PistachioByAzul]

What did they say at the last Sept. 11th vigil that got them shouted down?

Given that patriotism lends itself well to the same type of warped mindset that caused Sept. 11th to begin with, a vigil for the dead is hardly a place to promote America or Christianity.

 

[Riprorin]

Can you explain what patriotism has to do with Islamic fascists killing thousands of innocent people?

Patriotism is a love for or devotion to one's country. This is a bad thing?

 

[PistachioByAzul]

Patriotism will make you go blind. You can see from the sample on this BBS, the people who espouse "patriotism" are the ones far most likely to be unaccepting of any kind of questioning or criticism of the USA.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: EngineNr9
What did they say at the last Sept. 11th vigil that got them shouted down?

Given that patriotism lends itself well to the same type of warped mindset that caused Sept. 11th to begin with, a vigil for the dead is hardly a place to promote America or Christianity.

You do realize that they attacked America because it is America, right? Not because they just dont like this side of the ocean. I cant think of a better place to promote america than at a remembrance for an attack that was made against it.

 

[Red Dawn]

Wouldn't it be ironic if Al Qeada chose Bezerkley as one of the places to launch a Terrorist act? Even so, you'd know that half of those mush headed Wankers would say it was GW Bushes fault.

 

[Moonbeam]

Well it would be Bush's fault.

 

[RudeBoie]

Maybe you should all stop with this Bezerkeley crap.

Especially when at least 90% of you do NOT GO HERE. And "I know someone who goes there" doesn't count. All of these are extreme minority movements. If they want an opinion, that's fine. But this isn't the 60's, where the campus is ready to riot for peace.

Everyone I know here is of decent mind. There will be different minds to whatever school you go to- maybe at Berkeley, they think they can demonstrate because Berk has that stereotype around it or maybe at other schools they're too afraid.

I don't want to meet anyone of you in the future and be shunned because you think I'm some crazy dude trying to overthrow the world or something. I'd rather be here than at any other school in the world.

 

[Moonbeam]

RudeBoie three cheers for you. There is one mistake in yout statement, though, I think. I would bet it was really no different in the sixties. Don't ya think?

 

[Jeff7]

Weird. Removal of patriotic symbols is just plain idiotic, unless it's a big Palestinian or Iraqi flag or something like that.
Removal of religious symbols - mixed feelings. If you want to say "God bless America" - whatever; go ahead. I just don't get it is all - God Bless us - did God forget to bless us on Sept 11th? Kamikaze terrorist attacks certainly are not a blessing; they also don't say much about the god that supposedly loves this country and its citizens.