Looks like the Dem controlled congress sucks as much as the prez

blackangst1

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I kinda knew all the Dems promises were garbage when they were campaigning. They havent passed ONE piece of legislation to follow through with what they promised America. I've always said there is zero difference anymore between Dems and GOP. Now the American people are catching on-finally.

Poll: Congress, Bush share low approval
71 percent say the country is on the wrong track

Updated: 10:02 a.m. PT May 11, 2007
WASHINGTON - People think the Democratic-led Congress is doing just as dreary a job as President Bush, following four months of bitter political standoffs that have seen little progress on Iraq and a host of domestic issues.

An AP-Ipsos poll also found that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is a more popular figure than the president and her colleagues on Capitol Hill, though she faces a gender gap in which significantly more women than men support her.

The survey found only 35 percent approve of how Congress is handling its job, down 5 percentage points in a month. That gives lawmakers the same bleak approval rating as Bush, who has been mired at about that level since last fall, including his dip to a record low for the AP-Ipsos poll of 32 percent last January.

"It's mostly Iraq" plus a lack of progress in other areas, said Rep. Tom Cole, R-Okla., who heads the House GOP's campaign committee. "These are not good numbers for an incumbent, and it doesn't matter if you have an 'R' or a 'D' next to your name."

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I didnt post the rest as its a large article, but the rest of it is HERE
 

DaveSimmons

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Two huge, important changes that made their election worthwhile:

1. An end to rubberstamping of incomptent appointees and bad policy.

2. An end to looking the other way for illegal domestic spying, lying to the public, corruption, and overruling scientists that didn't follow the neocon views conservation and the environment.

Republicans in the House and Senate kept Clinton in check while he was in office, now we finally have someone to say no to The Decider.
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Two huge, important changes that made their election worthwhile:

1. An end to rubberstamping of incomptent appointees and bad policy.

2. An end to looking the other way for illegal domestic spying, lying to the public, corruption, and overruling scientists that didn't follow the neocon views conservation and the environment.

Republicans in the House and Senate kept Clinton in check while he was in office, now we finally have someone to say no to The Decider.

Quite true. Congressional oversight FTW!
 

Genx87

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Congree had approval ratings as high as 40%? That surprises me, they have been hovering at about 30% for well over a year. Maybe people gave the Dems a benefit of the doubt? Well reality is setting in I suppose. Dems suck just as bad as the people they replaced.

Which is why i find it funny congress running around like they have a mandate from the people. Their approval ratings are as bad as the presidents.
 

DealMonkey

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Congressional Dems are pushing for immigration reform:

? Proposed deal would tie amnesty for illegals to tougher border security
? Democrats want to force debate on legislation starting next week
? Dems want to pressure GOP to deal or risk being blamed for undermining one
? GOP senators promise to block the move, saying they need more time

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/05/11/immigration.congress.ap/index.html

Why aren't you commending them on trying to finally get something resolved regarding immigration? Especially given how the GOP has effectively punted for about 6 years now on the issue? Oh they managed to talk a bunch about it, but no action. And now, the GOP is doing more of the same, just pushing the issue off and refusing to do anything.
 

Rainsford

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I suppose I shouldn't be surprised at the polls, but I hardly think we're just as bad off with the Dems running Congress. For example, now we have a law http://pressesc.com/01178899253_bill_bans_eavedropping_NSA that makes it clear the FISA court is the EXCLUSIVE means by which domestic wiretapping can take place. Bush might ignore THIS law too, but at least Congress is trying, something the gutless Republican Congress never did.
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Two huge, important changes that made their election worthwhile:

1. An end to rubberstamping of incomptent appointees and bad policy.

2. An end to looking the other way for illegal domestic spying, lying to the public, corruption, and overruling scientists that didn't follow the neocon views conservation and the environment.

Republicans in the House and Senate kept Clinton in check while he was in office, now we finally have someone to say no to The Decider.

Oh really? Which policy has been overturned, and which appointed position is now filled with the choice of Dems? And what specifically has actually stopped in your point #2? Where are things actually different? Sure there is alot of puffing and ego bloating, but ultimately NOTHING has changed.
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Congressional Dems are pushing for immigration reform:

? Proposed deal would tie amnesty for illegals to tougher border security
? Democrats want to force debate on legislation starting next week
? Dems want to pressure GOP to deal or risk being blamed for undermining one
? GOP senators promise to block the move, saying they need more time

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/05/11/immigration.congress.ap/index.html

Why aren't you commending them on trying to finally get something resolved regarding immigration? Especially given how the GOP has effectively punted for about 6 years now on the issue? Oh they managed to talk a bunch about it, but no action. And now, the GOP is doing more of the same, just pushing the issue off and refusing to do anything.


Because WRITING legislation is nothing but that. Several GOP senetors have written MANY bills that were killed on the floor insofar as immigration reform. And as you say, they manage to talk about it but nothing truly changes.
 

Pabster

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Meet the new boss, same as the old.

Anyone who was bamboozled by the sweet talk of Pelosi, Reid, et al. deserves exactly what they're getting.
 

DealMonkey

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It's good to see that the troop surge gets until September, but the Dems only get 4 months. You realize that effecting change from within Congress takes time? You realize that the Democrats have only the slimmest of margins. They can steer things in a particular direction but they can't ram it down the throat of the GOP minority. Only truly bi-partisan efforts are able to pass and then Bush can simply veto what he doesn't like. C'mon, let's deal in reality here, folks.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
It's good to see that the troop surge gets until September, but the Dems only get 4 months. You realize that effecting change from within Congress takes time? You realize that the Democrats have only the slimmest of margins. They can steer things in a particular direction but they can't ram it down the throat of the GOP minority. Only truly bi-partisan efforts are able to pass and then Bush can simply veto what he doesn't like. C'mon, let's deal in reality here, folks.

It's part of the new GOP strategy..."See, They're Just as Terrible As We Were!". I can't for the life of me imagine how they think it's going to get them back into power. The reaction to the new Dem Congress might be less than rosy so far, but that's hardly going to sweep Republicans back into office. People had a lot more time to get sick of the Republicans...
 

UberNeuman

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
It's good to see that the troop surge gets until September, but the Dems only get 4 months. You realize that effecting change from within Congress takes time? You realize that the Democrats have only the slimmest of margins. They can steer things in a particular direction but they can't ram it down the throat of the GOP minority. Only truly bi-partisan efforts are able to pass and then Bush can simply veto what he doesn't like. C'mon, let's deal in reality here, folks.

Nope. We can't have reality with those Gop-er's that keep grasping at straws to back up those they support. They tend to have the same simple mindset "wait the dems said they change it all n' they didn't!!!32!!!"

The mock outrage is sickening.....
 

slash196

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To paraphrase from Bill Clinton, we may not be getting out of the hole but at least we've stopped digging. Now it's two years of gridlock and subpoenas, then REAL change with an Obama presidency.
 

Jhhnn

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Please, Deal Monkey- the new Rightwing mantra is "They're just as Bad!"

Don't interrupt their chanting...

It's the best they can come up with, and they started it before the new Congress was even sworn in...

Translated into everyday English- "Sour Grapes!"

They had their chance at smaller govt, fiscal responsibility, values, morals, and the rest- they blew it in an orgy of incompetence, pandering, greed and corruption...
 

JD50

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I see the apologists have come out in full force tonight, carry on.
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
It's good to see that the troop surge gets until September, but the Dems only get 4 months. You realize that effecting change from within Congress takes time? You realize that the Democrats have only the slimmest of margins. They can steer things in a particular direction but they can't ram it down the throat of the GOP minority. Only truly bi-partisan efforts are able to pass and then Bush can simply veto what he doesn't like. C'mon, let's deal in reality here, folks.

It's part of the new GOP strategy..."See, They're Just as Terrible As We Were!". I can't for the life of me imagine how they think it's going to get them back into power. The reaction to the new Dem Congress might be less than rosy so far, but that's hardly going to sweep Republicans back into office. People had a lot more time to get sick of the Republicans...


Hmmm....looks like about 60 percent of the country disagrees with you....Your doing a heck of a job Nancy!

35 percent approval rating, yea, you guys are doing great. :roll:
 

trenchfoot

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well, let's see...repubs had six years of complete control of congress and the white house, and that's being compared with five months of dem control of only the congress by just a slimmest of margins in the senate and without the ability to overide a veto from the guy in the white house.

hmmmm.... seems fair i guess.:roll:

 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
It's good to see that the troop surge gets until September, but the Dems only get 4 months. You realize that effecting change from within Congress takes time? You realize that the Democrats have only the slimmest of margins. They can steer things in a particular direction but they can't ram it down the throat of the GOP minority. Only truly bi-partisan efforts are able to pass and then Bush can simply veto what he doesn't like. C'mon, let's deal in reality here, folks.

It's part of the new GOP strategy..."See, They're Just as Terrible As We Were!". I can't for the life of me imagine how they think it's going to get them back into power. The reaction to the new Dem Congress might be less than rosy so far, but that's hardly going to sweep Republicans back into office. People had a lot more time to get sick of the Republicans...


Hmmm....looks like about 60 percent of the country disagrees with you....Your doing a heck of a job Nancy!

35 percent approval rating, yea, you guys are doing great. :roll:
Fine, fine, all this means that everyone in Congress needs to step it up a notch and start passing some reforms in key areas. Immigration, as I pointed out earlier is ripe for a bi-partisan compromise. Obviously there are other areas in the domestic agenda that need to be looked at as well as Iraq. Unfortunately, Iraq has become the 500-pound gorilla in the room - hard to ignore.
 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Two huge, important changes that made their election worthwhile:

1. An end to rubberstamping of incomptent appointees and bad policy.

2. An end to looking the other way for illegal domestic spying, lying to the public, corruption, and overruling scientists that didn't follow the neocon views conservation and the environment.

Republicans in the House and Senate kept Clinton in check while he was in office, now we finally have someone to say no to The Decider.

*yawn

Let me know when the completely banish the Patriot Act, instead of continuing to be signatories to it. Oh, and they?ve ended domestic spying? Hahahaha?.. that?s a good one.
 

ericlp

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Vote Third party. Dems nor Repubs deserve to be in office... We need to clean house and start fresh!


Hahaha Right ... Anyone got any money? I doubt anything will change. Same ol' tune different day sadly.

Edit, the approval rating was not any better with the repubs ... so if your 'argument' is about now that dems are in control its still the same... Sheesh, wake up... It would be the same if repubs were in control it's all the same no matter how you crack it.
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
I suppose I shouldn't be surprised at the polls, but I hardly think we're just as bad off with the Dems running Congress. For example, now we have a law http://pressesc.com/01178899253_bill_bans_eavedropping_NSA that makes it clear the FISA court is the EXCLUSIVE means by which domestic wiretapping can take place. Bush might ignore THIS law too, but at least Congress is trying, something the gutless Republican Congress never did.
The Senate has to pass this bill and the President has to sign it, then it becomes a law.
So far it is a meaningless piece of paper.

Democrats also 'passed' minimum wage etc etc etc
 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
So far it is a meaningless piece of paper.

Meaningless pieces of paper are all the new Democrat-controlled Congress seems to be capable of producing.
 

BoomerD

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Much to my dismay (but not to my surprise):

Lobbying reform losing steam in House

"WASHINGTON - House Democrats are suddenly balking at the tough lobbying reforms they touted to voters last fall as a reason for putting them in charge of Congress.

Now that they are running things, many Democrats want to keep the big campaign donations and lavish parties that lobbyists put together for them. They're also having second thoughts about having to wait an extra year before they can become high-paid lobbyists themselves should they retire or be defeated at the polls.

The growing resistance to several proposed reforms now threatens passage of a bill that once seemed on track to fulfill Democrats' campaign promise of cleaner fundraising and lobbying practices.

"The longer we wait, the weaker the bill seems to get," said Craig Holman of Public Citizen, which has pushed for the changes. "The sense of urgency is fading," he said, in part because scandals such as those involving disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff and former Rep. Duke Cunningham, R-Calif., have given way to other news.

The situation concerns some Democrats, who note their party campaigned against a "culture of corruption" in 2006, when voters ended a long run of Republican control of Congress. Several high-profile issues remained in doubt Friday, five days before the House Judiciary Committee is to take up the legislation.

They include proposals to:

_Require lobbyists to disclose details about large donations they arrange for politicians.

_Make former lawmakers wait two years, instead of one, before lobbying Congress.

_Bar lobbyists from throwing large parties for lawmakers at national political conventions.

All appeared headed for adoption in January when the Senate, with much fanfare, included them in a lobby-reform bill that passed easily. But the provisions, plus many others in the bill, cannot become law unless the House concurs ? and that's where feet are dragging.

The issues are in danger of being dropped from the House version, a Democratic member close to the negotiations said Thursday, speaking on condition of anonymity because sensitive discussions were continuing.

The snags are frustrating to advocates in and out of Congress who want more restrictions and greater transparency in lobbying and fundraising. Early this year, they appeared on the edge of victory.

Within hours of taking control of the House and Senate, Democrats engineered rule changes to bar lawmakers and their aides from accepting meals, gifts or trips from lobbyists or groups that employ lobbyists.

They also made it far more difficult for lawmakers to slip targeted items, known as earmarks, into spending bills without divulging the source. Such "pork projects" have greatly benefited some companies with well-connected lobbyists.

These rule changes are now in effect in the House. But they will not apply to the Senate unless both chambers reconcile a lobbying bill that the president signs into law.

"Members of Congress ignore this issue at their peril," said Rep. Chris Van Hollen (news, bio, voting record), D-Md., who chairs his party's 2008 House campaign committee. "The public wants a Congress that is open and accountable."

The chief stumbling block in the House centers on whether to require disclosures of a fundraising practice called bundling. It involves lobbyists soliciting and collecting campaign donations from other people and then presenting them in one package to the targeted candidate.

Under current law, each individual check-writer must report his or her donation. But the lobbyist-bundlers, who use the practice to ingratiate themselves to politicians, often go undetected.

Meaningful disclosure of bundling "is the defining issue of this bill" and must remain in the House version, said Fred Wertheimer, president of Democracy 21, a private group that supports greater transparency in government.

However, resistance from some House members is so strong that Democratic leaders are thinking of dropping the bundling language from the bill, and perhaps allowing proponents to offer it later as an amendment or separate legislation.

Some House members also oppose the Senate bill's tougher restrictions on retired lawmakers who plan to become lobbyists. Under current law, such retirees can immediately begin drawing pay for lobby-related activities so long as they do not contact former colleagues for one year.

The Senate bill would extend the "cooling off" period to two years, and apply the ban to all lobbying activities, not just direct contacts with lawmakers.

Some House members also dislike a Senate provision that would bar lobbying groups from throwing parties in honor of lawmakers at national nominating conventions. Critics call the practice a way for interest groups to ingratiate themselves with powerful officials.

Meanwhile, public advocacy groups want the House and Senate to adopt tougher reporting requirements for groups that hire lobbyists to help organize supposedly grass-roots campaigns to influence Congress. One proposal would require disclosures by lobbying firms that receive at least $100,000 in a quarter for "paid communications campaigns" aimed at mobilizing the public on a given issue.

Groups such as Common Cause and Democracy 21 say massive special-interest campaigns can largely hide their donors' identities because current disclosure laws apply only to direct lobbying of Congress.

But organizations spanning the political spectrum oppose the idea, saying it could discourage citizens from exercising their right to petition the government. Groups urging lawmakers to reject the proposal include the American Civil Liberties Union, National Right to Life Committee and Eagle Forum.

House members and aides said it was unclear whether the grass-roots proposal, which is not in the Senate bill, will be added to the House measure.


The more things change, the more they stay the same...:disgust:
 

Red Dawn

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They definatly can do a better job but at least now Bushes hands are tied so he can't continue to fsck America over as he was able to do when the party of his enablers were in control of Congress.
 

Jhhnn

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From the Prof, wrt the eavesdropping bill-

The Senate has to pass this bill and the President has to sign it, then it becomes a law.

Democrats also 'passed' minimum wage etc etc etc

Quite true, yet with misleading emphasis. Dems do not have the votes in the Senate to force cloture, bring these measures to a vote, which they'd win.

Portraying Republican obstructionism as failure to act on the part of Democrats is extremely dishonest, but the Prof already knew that. Much of public dissatisfaction with Congress stems from that obstructionism, and from obfuscation of it...

Perhaps he'd prefer that Dems invoke the "nuclear option" threatened by Repubs wrt to Bush judicial nominees...
 
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