Looks like The Titanic killed a few more people

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Muse

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What's weird is, he went on Bezos' rocket so he was aware of what a well funded and relatively safe operation looks like. And he'd also gone down to Challenger Deep in the Limiting Factor. I don't know how you can do either of those, then look at this thing and think taking it to the bottom of the ocean is a great idea.
Hindsight is 20-20.
 
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Muse

Lifer
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From my understanding the speed of the thermal shockwave of an asteroid is estimated to be about 50,000 mph. (pretty fracking fast!)

Light however is a tad faster ... it travels at approx 286,000 miles PER SECOND.
I think you overestimate light, it's 186,000 miles/sec.
 
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sportage

Lifer
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One news anchor was pointing out that we know more about the space above us than our own space below us. Which is true.

The press is calling these victims "explorers". I don't look at them as being explorers. Lewis and Clark, now THEY were explorers. Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin, they were explorers.

These five guys were not explorers, they simply paid a lot of cash and took a ride on a craft that even Disney would reject. But they are not explorers. A half a million for dad and son to commit hari-kari? Gee, thanks dad. Now AnandTech members, aren't you glad u have poor dads?
Yeah, ok, RIP.

PS. I wonder if this would have gotten so much attention if five black women living on welfare had been in that sub?
 

sportage

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I am sure there exist a ton of photos of the crew entering the sub, depending into the water, etc etc. The families probably will never allow those photos released to the public, but.... we'll see them pictures at the trial. Oh yeah, there will be a trial.
 

ElFenix

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it's like y'all haven't heard of the pistol shrimp before

The pistol shrimp is a remarkable creature about 4 cm in length and 25 grams in weight. Despite its small size, it can move its claws at a speed of 97 km/hr. The speed of the snap is such that a bubble is created consisting of vacuum. The internal low pressure causes a water pulse that immobilizes prey with an associated noise of 218 dB which is louder than a bullet, and reportedly a temperature of 4800 degrees centigrade which is similar to the surface temperature of the sun, albeit over a very small area.

 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
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Several commented, at least it happen quickly. But if they released the counterweights to raise back to the surface, they knew something was up. James Cameron being interviewed by Anderson right now. He’s speculating that they heard the shell beginning to crumple. So while the final moment was quick, there had to be intense panic prior to that.
Pretty sure things like this don't 'begin' to happen, they just happen. Think of standing on an empty soda can. It doesn't 'begin' to buckle from your perception, it just collapses.
 

Heartbreaker

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Did they even make any unmanned trips to the bottom to validate the design first? Or was it more, "I think this is enough carbon fiber for the hull, should work. I'd test it properly but that would cost more money and we are but billionaires." "No need to speak to submariners because I have more business degrees than they do."

This wasn't their first trip down. They had been there over 20 times. So questions about the first time are kind of moot.

The problem with Carbon Fiber, is that it can fatigue from cyclic loading. Even if you had tested in a pressure tester to +20% of target, that doesn't mean, it would still be ok 20 dives later.

They needed to have some kind of system to scan/xray the hull and insure it's integrity before each dive (which they didn't).

AFAIK, this is the only submersible that went this deep that doesn't have a Titanium, or Steel hull, and It seems that many/most in the deep sea community would not trust their lives to a carbon fiber hull.

I feel sad for the passengers who probably were not really capable of giving informed consent. We live in a society of "cover your ass" waivers, to the point that signing them just seems par for the course. It's easy in hindsight to find reason for concern. But if you are looking at the overall safety of deep sea submersibles, which is exemplary, combined with the fact that they had done 20+ plus previous dives, and conclude there was reasonable safety here, without knowing much about submersible construction in general. I especially doubt one of them would have brought their son, if they really had an inkling of the risks.
 

eelw

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I feel sad for the passengers who probably were not really capable of giving informed consent. We live in a society of "cover your ass" waivers, to the point that signing them just seems par for the course. It's easy in hindsight to find reason for concern.
lol in the 3 page waiver, death is mentioned 7 times.
 

Indus

Lifer
May 11, 2002
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We have a severe shortage of common sense in today's age and more salesmanship!

Not just politics but everywhere you look..

 
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sze5003

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lol in the 3 page waiver, death is mentioned 7 times

I think it was a 5 page waiver but yea one of those guys was in space recently and other deep sea excursions so of course they thought nothing of it.

I don't know but I'm willing to bet the submersible he was on previously was better constructed and more advanced than ocean gate.
 
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evident

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Ok at first I was intrigued but now I'm getting annoyed at how much coverage this is getting. It reminds me of the gabby petitio story that just popped up. Yes it's sad but holy f the coverage is relentless
 
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sze5003

Lifer
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Not sure if the coverage is like this in other parts of the world but here in the states if anything happens to millionaires or high society status folks that's what the media gobbles up.
 

uallas5

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People are still going to climb Mt. Everest with all the known dangers. Some people don't seem to feel alive unless they stay on the edge of cheating death. Heck, I've enjoyed some white knuckled psychonautic travels.

Except the ones dying on Everest are people who have no business being there. Or experienced climbers being bottlenecked by idiots.
If I had the chance to climb Everest 40 years ago, I would jumped at it without hesitation. Well, as long as I had the chance to get some high altitude climbing in beforehand. I would never want be the person who has to be basically carried by Sherpas up and down. But by the end of the 90's it was big business and the huge lines had begun. I don't understand how people are willing to risk their lives, and potentially the lives of others, to stand in what is essentially a long grocery queue just to be on the summit for a few minutes before being told to "move along".

 
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Captante

Lifer
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Ok at first I was intrigued but now I'm getting annoyed at how much coverage this is getting. It reminds me of the gabby petitio story that just popped up. Yes it's sad but holy f the coverage is relentless

The truly "annoying" (an understatement!) thing is that apparently the USN heard the implosion immediately after communication was lost and the entire "rescue mission" along with the media-hype was essentially a farce. (and the mission commander was informed promptly... he knew pretty much from the start it was hopeless)

What bothers me most is all the resources wasted AND real people put at risk for very little/no good reason.
 
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Captante

Lifer
Oct 20, 2003
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If I had the chance to climb Everest 40 years ago, I would jumped at it without hesitation. Well, as long as I had the chance to get some high altitude climbing in beforehand. I would never want be the person who has to be basically carried by Sherpas up and down. But by the end of the 90's it was big business and the huge lines had begun. I don't understand how people are willing to risk their lives, and potentially the lives of others, to stand in what is essentially a long grocery queue just to be on the summit for a few minutes before being told to "move along".

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I believe I referred to this as a "conga-line of death" when this pic was released...

WTF is the point of this anyway? I've done a lot of climbing/mountaineering in my time and 99% of the ENTIRE POINT is to get the hell AWAY from crap like the above not just "climbing to the top".

The people that get off on BS like this are not "mountaineers", "adventurers" or "explorers", they're mostly egotistical morons only concerned with one-upping the next guy.
 
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