Looks to me like its going to be President Gore

[SJ]

LOL.

Gore: Hey Boies, we're gonna loose, you got to stop the recount of all the counties, you must get the courts to only allow Dade.
Boies: Sure thing, but remember, I get full immunity and a seat on the USSC.

LOL They will try and get the other recounts thrown out if Gore doesn't overcome Bush. They will try and force the court only to accept Dade. What a bunch of fvcking hypocrits LOL...

 

[rmeijer]

<<No, I mean every single ballot. >>

Since I didn't read the FSC too closely, you may have the advantage. But I thought that only the undervotes were entered into evidence.

 

[Michael]

I'm talking about future contests. The FSC opinion is setting the stage for each side to enter as many ballots as possible.

Michael

 

[chess9]

Bush MIGHT win on the recount, but I doubt it. Anyway, the Florida Supremes have yet to rule on the absentee ballot appeals. That should be a humdinger. As liberal as they are, I wouldn't be surprised to see another reversal. Briefs are due Monday at 9 a.m. Don't know when they'll have the in court fight, but I assume it'll be Monday evening.

What does the Supreme Court do with all those old lawyer's briefs? Ye, Gods, I wouldn't want any and they take them all the time. Orkin must have its hands full at the Florida SC.

 

[JellyBaby]

You know strict adherence to standards, in most endeavors, is considered a very good thing. Yet somehow in FL, due to frivolous lawsuits and questionable Judgement, standards are being redesigned on the fly. Do people simply not see this?

When this is over, I wonder if FL will adopt all of these changes as law for the future. Or might they recognize their folly only after the fact? The whole under and over vote issue is madness IMO. This just isn?t done, and would not even have been contemplated in a normal election.

Clinton taught this generation of young people all about sexual conduct. Now Al Gore is teaching kids it?s OK to take a test in school, get your results then complain to the teacher that you didn?t intend to solve the problem that way and you misunderstood the question and deserve more points. Image all 40 students rushing for the teachers desk to submit their case before her. Pretty chaotic, eh?

 

[SJ]

It also looks like they aren't using as liberial standard as Broward used. Reports say they aren't find that many real votes.

 

[rmeijer]

<<<The FSC opinion is setting the stage for each side to enter as many ballots as possible.>>>

I am confused. Where in the opinion is it implied that all ballots may be entered into evidence for a recount (page number would be cool)? I thought that Gore's argument was that the number of undervotes, i.e. votes not registered as votes by a machine, if at least looked at might show an 'intent to vote' for some candidate. If so, then based on the shear numbers of undervotes, the election would be called into question. Am I off?

 

[Michael]

Sigh - the ballots were entered and Judge Sauls ruled that the Gore team did not argue well enough that they should be looked at. The arguement that the Gore team used and the FSC accepted was that any doubt should cause a look at the ballots. The Bush lawyers agrued in front of Saul that there is nothing that says the ballots have to be looked at.

It is easy to create an arguement that something might have gone wrong with the machines counting, sop why not eneter all ballots in every single contest from now on? The FSC has opened the doors for this approach and endorsed it.

Michael

 

[Tripleshot]

Bush just lost his appeal in the 11th circuit court in Atlanta. When the USSC rules,that will end all this speculation. The 11th Circuit says the manual re count will go on ,just that it can't be certified until the USSC rules or 11th circuit says ok or Florida says to certify. Its just a delay on the certification. That puts the monkey on the USSC's back.

Very appropriate ruling.

 

[rmeijer]

<<<You know strict adherence to standards, in most endeavors, is considered a very good thing. Yet somehow in FL ... standards are being redesigned on the fly. Do people simply not see this?>>>

Strict adherence to the Florida law would mean that many military ballots would have been thrown out. Strict adherence would have meant that all those ballot application in Seminole and Martin county would have been thrown out before the Republican Party had a chance to rectify their error. I think in both these cases the right thing was done in lieu of &quot;strict adherence to standards.&quot;

 

[rmeijer]

Sigh. Page number please.

 

[Tripleshot]

Well,surprise surprise surprise. USSC has stopped the manual re count until 10:00 A.M. monday morning,pending oral argument before the USSC.

 

[Michael]

rmeijer - How about you read the transcripts of the case before Sauls (which I listened to and watched) and then read the FSC opinion and then argue that I'm wrong.

Michael

 

[rmeijer]

Sigh.

I just think it is cute when people get so technical without backing up their claim.

See page 20, 22 for the discussion on undervotes. Where does it open the door for all votes? As I said, FSC tried to make the claim that undervotes were not necessarily illegal and the shear number of them drew into doubt the election results.

 

[Michael]

I read the words to clearly say that any legal votes should be examined. It is very easy to argue that a machine did not entirely read the punch card correctly. Ballots stick together and can get read as only one vote if they're both for the same candidate. In a close election, it could easily be argued that all the ballots should be looked at and all placed in evidence. Since there is no way to tell without counting them, which is what the FSC argues, there is no discussion of counting or not counting. The contest process now becomes an automatic recount process.

Michael

ps - I'm getting as technical as I can as an accountant, I'm not a lawyer.

 

[jobert]

>>I read the words to clearly say that any legal votes should be examined. It is very easy to argue that a machine did not entirely read the punch card correctly.<<

One of the basic points that Sauls made was
that NO evidence was introduced before his court
to support the possibility of generic, inherent
machine error.

What is a &quot;legal vote&quot;?
A vote that isn't illegal?

 

[ride525]

It is common knowledge that the machines can read ALL the punch cards properly. Again, even Bush's witness said you need to do manual recounts in a close election.

It's interesting the the US Supremes got involved in a single state's election. Hopefully the overvotes will still be manually counted.