Looks to me like its going to be President Gore

[Kubla Khan]

Come on, we all know this decision is going to lead to more court cases.

"It's not over yet." - Princess Leia

"It is for me, sister." - Han Solo

[Edit] Now who would Han Solo vote for? WWHSD?

 

[zippy]

<< gore is jus a damn lyer (Bush too)...&quot;I invented the Internet&quot; LMAO....o plz... >>


I still find it amazing that people actually think he outright said, &quot;I invented the Internet.&quot; He said, he took an initiative (in·i·tia·tive (-nsh-tv)
n.

The power or ability to begin or to follow through energetically with a plan or task; enterprise and determination.
A beginning or introductory step; an opening move: took the initiative in trying to solve the problem.

The power or right to introduce a new legislative measure.
The right and procedure by which citizens can propose a law by petition and ensure its submission to the electorate. ) to make the internet. Basically, his &quot;introductory step&quot; was helping it with some committee in congress or something.

BTW, what happened the last two days in the election? I have been burrowed up studying most of the time. I take it that the Fla. Supreme Court said to go ahead with the recounting?

 

[Mill]

Good to see you back WombatWomen. We have all been thinking about you.

JudgeJudy-



<< no the supreme court won't strike it down, they're the ones that sent it to the Florida Supreme Court in the first place. >>



Umm... no. This case came from a circuit court. Anyways, did anyone see what was on ABCnews?



<< Texas residents who lost a federal appeals court challenge of Dick Cheney?s legal Wyoming residency are expected to appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court by Monday. The 12th Amendment to the Constitution would require that Texas? 32 vice-presidential electoral votes not go to Cheney if he were a Texas resident, as the plaintiffs allege, since George W. Bush also lives there. >>




Now tell me the Dems, don't want a divided nation. How desperate can you get?

 

[jacobnero6918]

Gore may win unless the appeal to the US SC goes through. I hope the US SC gets it right but I kinda have lost all hope that these judges know what there doing.

 

[Eug]

zippy, Yeah, I've read that before, and he apparently DID push hard to facilitate its growth. But his statement is still completely false. It was quite established long before Gore ever stepped in. Hell, I was on the net way back in the mid-80's and it wasn't just because of Gore. In fact, it began way back in the late 60's to early 70's. He would have been what, 20?

Anyways, I am definitely amused by your plight. Mentally challenged vs. truth challenged?

 

[SJ]

And the appeals are filed....

 

[Wallydraigle]

&quot;...I will do ANYTHING to become president.&quot; -Al Gore.

 

[Tripleshot]

I have finally heard a voice of reason from the Bush camp. It would be wise for the republicans to not block in any way the recount of the undervote ballots as determined as the proper course of action by the FSC. This count will occure in all 67 counties and will then put to rest the issue of who won the popular vote in Florida. Based on that count of all the &quot;legal&quot; votes,we the humble masses,will then be able to stand behind and support the &quot;clear and undeniable winner&quot; of the election. To say otherwise is foolish.

IMHO

 

[SJ]

Hmmm seems the Cheif Justice of the FSC even thinks the ruling will be overturned by the USSC. The dissenting opinion will be a BIG factor, something the USSC will not be able to ignore.

 

[DefRef]

Here's what I posted here:

Here's a clip of SCOFLA Chief Justice Wells dissent:

I want to make it clear at the outset of my separate opinion that I do not question the good faith or honorable intentions of my colleagues in the majority. However, I could not more strongly disagree with their decision to reverse the trial court and prolong this judicial process. I also believe that the majority?s decision cannot withstand the scrutiny which will certainly immediately follow under the United States Constitution.

My succinct conclusion is that the majority?s decision to return this case to the circuit court for a count of the under-votes from either Miami-Dade County or all counties has no foundation in the law of Florida as it existed on November 7, 2000, or at any time until the issuance of this opinion. The majority returns the case to the circuit court for this partial recount of under-votes on the basis of unknown or, at best, ambiguous standards with authority to obtain help from others, the credentials, qualifications, and objectivity of whom are totally unknown. That is but a first glance at the imponderable problems the majority creates.

(Emphasis added. source, PDF doc.)

There other stuff mentioning the fact that the &quot;standards&quot; of counting are totally subjective and unreliable.

GORE IS SUCK.

 

[ride525]

<< There other stuff mentioning the fact that the &quot;standards&quot; of counting are totally subjective and unreliable. >>



Hopefully more reliable than never being read by the punch card readers. While there may be some true undervotes there, there are undoubtedly some votes for President there too...

Hopefully we can get as many of the votes counted and have a clearer winner.

 

[Russ]

It is astonishing that the Florida Supreme Court is so partisan that they simply don't care that they're going to be smacked down by the US Supreme Court again.

Russ, NCNE

 

[tinneric]

Gore may be an a$$, but I rather have an a$$ for president then some bozo riding in on daddy's coat tails, Bush is pathetic. If he makes it in the economy will be in the toilet so fast we won't know what to do.:disgust:

 

[ride525]

<< It is astonishing that the Florida Supreme Court is so partisan >>



Yeah, they were so partisan as to ask the WHOLE state's undervotes be counted, in Democratic and Republican counties.....hopefully we are getting closer to finding out who has the most votes....

 

[DefRef]

Sorry, but the SUBJECTIVE method is as corrupt as Gore. Here's what the CJ had to say about this issue:

Another significant problem is that the majority returns this case to the circuit court for a recount with no standards. I do not, and neither will the trial judge, know whether to count or not count ballots on the criteria used by the canvassing boards, what those criteria are, or to do so on the basis of standards divined by Judge Sauls. A continuing problem with these manual recounts is their reliability. It only stands to reason that many times a reading of a ballot by a human will be subjective, and the intent gleaned from that ballot is only in the mind of the beholder. This subjective counting is only compounded where no standards exist or, as in this statewide contest, where there are no statewide standards for determining voter intent by the various canvassing boards, individual
judges, or multiple unknown counters who will eventually count these ballots.

I must regrettably conclude that the majority ignores the magnitude of its decision. The Court fails to make provision for: (1) the qualifications of those who count; (2) what standards are used in the count?are they the same standards for all ballots statewide or a continuation of the county-by-county constitutionally suspect standards; (3) who is to observe the count; (4) how one objects to the count; (5) who is entitled to object to the count; (6) whether a person may object to a counter; (7) the possible lack of personnel to conduct the count; (8) the fatigue of the counters; and (9) the effect of the differing intra-county standards.

(Source: Page 56-57 of the decision linked above.)

 

[DefRef]

tinneric: You obviously haven't noticed that the markets have been sliding hard since this nightmare started. Did you see how the market jumped when the USSC smacked down the SCOFLAws? Do you think it's a mistake that they waited for the markets to close before they unloaded this POS?

 

[SJ]

ride, when the Cheif Justice, says what the majority is doing is unconstitutional(basically what he said), people should take notice. His dissenting opinion is stinging, and I predicts theres gonna be some heads flying on the FSC in the years to come. The FSC is likely to get smacked down, and I don't think it will be a 5-4 in the USSC, I bet its more like 7-2, because if there are democrats with some sense on the FSC, theres bound to be two on the USSC. Its not over by a long shot.

 

[ride525]

<< Its not over by a long shot. >>



Yeah, I agree.....it's back to the USSC

And who knows, Gore may not be able to pick up 154 votes.....after all Palm Beach, Broward, and Volusa counties are not going to do this, since they already have....so you have three highly Democratic counties left out of the undervote recounts.....Bush could still come out ahead in the votes...

 

[ckluu]

This is my first post ...
What I don't understand about the Florida Supreme Court is they seem to be so partisan. Why don't they might as well decide who wins since they think they have so much power.
First, they changed the law to extend the deadline. When they didn't get the result they wanted, they are extending it again???
I sure hope the USSC strike them down this time for good. They should have taken the opportunity to save their reputation by following the law and not trying to reinterpret 7 days into 19 days. 7 != 19.

 

[Russ]

<< Yeah, they were so partisan as to ask the WHOLE state's undervotes be counted >>



Ride525,

It was the ONLY way they could even come close to appearing objective in their decision. I'm sure you're smart enough to figure that one out. I know the US Supreme Court is.

What they have actually done is to guarantee that the Florida Legislature will fulfill its Constitutional obligation, under the law and seat the Electors. There is no way in hell the recounts can be completed in four days. Miami-Dade couldn't get it done in twelve days.

Gore's Goons are so blinded by their pursuit of a stolen Presidency, they don't even care that they're setting up a Constitutional crisis.

Russ, NCNE

 

[DefRef]

Here's another bit of the Chief Justice's dissent:

Importantly to me, I have a deep and abiding concern that the prolonging of judicial process in this counting contest propels this country and this state into an unprecedented and unnecessary constitutional crisis. I have to conclude that there.is a real and present likelihood that this constitutional crisis will do substantial damage to our country, our state, and to this Court as an institution.

He knows that the SCOFLAws look like the Democratic tools they are.

 

[Larvae]

i knew the country was in trouble when i saw there were a couple of moronic lawless affirmative action **** on the fla supreme court. good thing the legislature is getting together a slate of electors.

 

[SJ]

This ones better






<< I conclude that this not only changes a rule after November 7, 2000, but it also changes a rule this court made on November 26, 2000 >>




So they wrote law from the bench the first time around, then rewrote it again. Theres not a chance in hell this ruling will withstand the USSC. I could actually see a 9-0 ruling in the USSC at this point. The dissent is stronger than the majority.

 

[Michael]

One glaring problem with t he decision is the two standards that will be used in Miami-Dade. The Democrat areas were counted by a Democrat-controlled canvassing board. Now the more even and Republican areas will be counted by a different team using different standards. The Attorney General of Florida specifically warned about this problem.

I think that the Florida Supreme Court knew that they could not complete the counts in time. They wanted to force the Florida House and Senate to act to for political reasons. This is aimed at electing Democrats in Florida in the next State election, The Chief Justice wrote the stinging dissenting opinion because he knows that the extreme damage the Florida Supreme Court is causing itself and the next elections.

Just think, they're saying that ballots must be examined if entered into evidence. Every contest from now on will enter all ballots into evidence. Therefore, all must be examined every time.

Michael

 

[ride525]

<< There is no way in hell the recounts can be completed in four days. Miami-Dade couldn't get it done in twelve days. >>

They only have to count the undervotes....not all the votes.....apparently the Leon County court clerk already has teams of counters set up....


<< Gore's Goons are so blinded by their pursuit of a stolen Presidency, they don't even care that they're setting up a Constitutional crisis. >>

It would be nice just to get as many of the votes counted as possible....then we might know whether that person is Gore, or Bush.....I would think it might be hard for Gore to catch Bush's lead, as the three counties that won't be counted again (Broward, Volusa, and Palm Beach) are highly Democratic. The remaining 64 counties are, I'm sure, more Republican than when including those three.