Looper: how does this time travel premise make sense?

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JimKiler

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I can't believe I read this entire thread

HA!

Even the OP, myself, refuses to read all the time travel arguments, I just wanted to know why people need to go back in time to be killed.
 

Phanuel

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(and I think he was failing your spelling of a DeLorean)

This.

12 Monkeys

But this was pretty much 12 Monkeys without all of the fucking insanity shit that made that movie hard to watch beyond once for me.

"And then I saw it, a mother who would die for her child, a husband who would kill for his wife. I decided to change it."
 
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sourceninja

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I would just send my victims into the future. In fact, I'd send them so far they arrive at the enviable heat death of the universe.
 

Phanuel

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I would just send my victims into the future. In fact, I'd send them so far they arrive at the enviable heat death of the universe.

I think the time machine could only go back a fixed 30 years from the time it was activated and was basically somewhat broken tech.
 

Northern Lawn

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Won't there still be the "2044" version of the victim walking around? So by killing that "2074" person in year 2044, just eliminates the 2074 victim, but not the 2044 one? Which.. would then create an endless loop of the same person being killed over and over and over.

Or maybe an alternate time line like in Abrams Star Trek.


As for this premise about murder... it sucks. Butterfly effect and all.
 

Baked

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I wanna go watch this movie now. Let me buy some AMC tickets from Costco tomorrow so I don't get raped in the butt paying full price.
 

coloumb

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Awesome [from the wiki]:

"...works for a mafia company in Kansas City as a looper..."

That's gotta be downtown KCMO.
 

sactoking

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I would just send my victims into the future. In fact, I'd send them so far they arrive at the enviable heat death of the universe.

Yeah, based on what we know of physics sending someone forward is possible, though improbable; sending someone backward is just plain nuts and might undo the universe.
 

EagleKeeper

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$5-6 AMC before noon on weekends at the box office itself or online w/ no fees with reward card
 

Kelvrick

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Watched the movie last night and liked it. I could look past some of the smaller details. The concept was explained well enough and didn't go into detail to leave itself open to critique.

The little kid was a good actor, I hope him future success but the good kind that doesn't leave him as one of those burned up child stars.

Oh, and the answer is 32.
 

Gunslinger08

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I saw it last week. I enjoyed it and I'm glad it didn't try to get deep into explanations. I think movies work best when you just have to accept some things as facts. It was a little slow at some points.

To get into the time travel debate, I guess "time travel" forward is possible through relativity. Send someone put on a ship going near the speed of light and have them make a huge loop back to Earth. When they get back, they've experienced a shorter period of time than those on Earth.
 

alkemyst

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I believe in the first few minutes of the movie they explain that body tracking is greatly improved in 2074 so it's almost impossible to get away with murder.

Even if they find the body in 2044, it's never existed so there would be no way to identify it.
 

CZroe

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Damn, this movie sucked. I can't believe that the RedLetterMedia guys liked it:
http://redlettermedia.com/half-in-the-bag-looper-and-dredd/
I agree with their assessment of Dredd though.

The premise was COMPLETELY disconnected from the plot about "The Rainmaker" and it couldn't seem more forced.

I literally laughed out loud when the younger version of our protagonist/antagonist snuck INTO a house where they were looking for him only to be secretly snuck OUT without having done ANYTHING. The people were not looking for the kid, the kid got himself out, and the idiot didn't have a thing to do with it. On top of that, just because they came out a hidden door in the middle of the ground doesn't mean there was anything special about the way they took to get out. He just walked through a plain-as-day obvious door that wasn't even hidden! If these people looked any harder, they would have just peeked inside, saw the tunnel, and gone through.

Now, other than loopers closing their loops, nothing says that the people being assassinated and the tracking technology being circumvented weren't coming from even farther in the future, so it isn't a plothole that they could kill people in 2074 (girlfriend and such). In fact, it makes perfect sense: Keep the entire loop in a time before their job was even necessary so that their activities will never be known in the future where it became relevant. Also, keep it at the advent of time-travel tech so that it will be before any potential countermeasures and legal measures could take effect. They never even said that everyone was tracked, so it's probably just important people even if it was already in place in 2074. To see Mike and Jay criticize it for this "plothole" that isn't really a plothole and then to give it a pass on things like timeline entanglement just because the movie doesn't want you to take it seriously is disappointing. Terminator 2 was how you do it without being serious. Showing real-time mutilation as someone is mutilated 30 years in the past just doesn't work without a COMPLETELY different (and stupid) linked-timelines concept that doesn't fit the story at all.

OK, so let's just do what they want us to do and not think about time paradoxes or any other silly objections (the entangled 30-year offset timelines are not actual time paradoxes and silly to dismiss as one). PASS ANYWAY. Now: Why didn't they at least try to explain to us why it isn't just as bad for a person with an tracker that can't be hidden in the future to suddenly disappear? Were their bodies not tracked until their disappearance for privacy reasons? What if someone was justifiably spooked and activated it before their death as a precaution and it led authorities directly to the illicit time machine operation? People say that it's just like today where you have no case if you have no body, but that reasoning doesn't apply in a future where bodies CAN'T be hidden. It actually ELEVATES suspicion and it would be turned into an even more serious crime every bit as quickly as time travel was outlawed. NO MENTION?!

I couldn't help but laugh at many of these scenes, right there in the theater. I felt like the RLM guys when they were watching the ending of that one Resident Evil movie:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPUPaxgIo98
 

Ichinisan

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Why would the looper operation be set-up 30 years in the past? Why not go 200 years? Then there's NO WAY loopers would live to the period when time travel was invented, and there would be no need to "close the loop."
 

CZroe

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Why would the looper operation be set-up 30 years in the past? Why not go 200 years? Then there's NO WAY loopers would live to the period when time travel was invented, and there would be no need to "close the loop."

Could you imagine recruiting someone who's never even seen a car? Also, it's very clear that they have no control over where the body appears (I assume it's where the machine was operated 30 years in the future). They knew that 30 years prior it was a cornfield with limited opportunity for witnesses. The further back the less they could be sure it would not be witnessed.

Also, it's not exactly living until time travel is invented that is the problem, it's letting the secret of loopers out that is. Someone 200 years ago could spill the beans pretty easily and they wouldn't have their future guy there to take him out before he does. That was Jeff Bridges' function, pretty much.
 
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