I think that the OP would have had no problem understanding the concept if they had simply called the movie something besides "Looper".
Won't there still be the "2044" version of the victim walking around? So by killing that "2074" person in year 2044, just eliminates the 2074 victim, but not the 2044 one? Which.. would then create an endless loop of the same person being killed over and over and over.
I think that the OP would have had no problem understanding the concept if they had simply called the movie something besides "Looper".
OKay... but then all of a sudden while you are in 2044.. another one of you shows up and gets killed. In 2074 you vanish with out a trace, but the original 2044 version of you keeps living despite the fact that the older 2074 person was killed in 2044. Then you make it to 2074 again.. get sent back in time.. the loop repeats.
This is what I don't understand what you don't understand.
How does it repeat? The event happens once. From the guy who lived in 2044 to 2074 and then was killed, he only experiences his life once. He is born, grows to 2044, something he never experiences happens to someone he isn't yet, he continues living, hits 2074, gets sent back and murdered. If there was no time travel involved, he'd have just been murdered in 2074. It makes no difference to his 2044 self at that point with or without time travel.
The only reason time travel is involved is because by 2074, crime is pretty much impossible to commit so the mob or whoever uses time travel to 'disappear' the victim before killing them somewhere else.
Just pretend the time travel device is a plane and we put 2074 guy on a plane and flew him to Darfur before finishing him off. Ain't nobody going looking for you in Darfur (2044).
Fern, the grandfather paradox isn't even involved. The average guy being killed by a Looper is just going from living to dead at the end of his life in 2074. We're not using time travel to kill our younger selves at all.
Take it none of you played any of the Journeyman Projects or saw Timecop, or even Terminator?
All time premises are basically the same, go back in time, and kill someone so they don't exist in the future therefore whatever they did between time A and time B didn't happen.
So say, someone invented an engine that didn't run on oil. You can bet Exxon would be sending someone back in time to kill that person so it didn't get invented.
The whole "future" self thing is probably just related to the story and the fact he was sent to kill himself. There's a major plot hole there, but since none of us have time travelled, we don't truly know how that works......or have you? o O
Yeah. I put it out there because I'm a little confused by the OP's question/problem. I was thinking maybe one of the solutions to the GP would apply for whatever his difficulty is.
Fern
Probably the shakiest aspect of Johnson's original screenplay is what it asks the viewer to buy about the future: A mere 62 years from now, in 2074, time travel has become possible, but such a momentous breakthrough is limited to serving as a body-disposal system. Under the prevailing authority, time jumping is strictly outlawed because of its potential for messing with history. A large criminal mob, run by an overlord called The Rainmaker, defiantly uses it but only as a vehicle for assassination, with loopers -- disreputable gunmen living in 2044 -- laying in wait for people to execute so no bodies or other evidence can be found in the future.
In the future, thanks to the advances in tracking people, it becomes more difficult to make someone disappear.
I don't understand what you're saying now if it's directed at me. You're born, you live, you die. When you die doesn't matter if there's time travel as long as you die in a non-causality loop causing way. Which they aren't in this movie.
The film has received very positive reviews from critics. As of September 23, 2012 it holds a 93% "Certified Fresh" rating on Rotten Tomatoes based on 40 reviews, with an average score of 8.4/10. On Metacritic, the film holds an 88/100 average rating, indicating "universal acclaim".[18] UK-based film magazines Empire and Total Film both gave the film a five-star review (denoting 'outstanding') with the latter saying that it's "The best sci-fi movie since Moon. The best time-travel yarn since 12 Monkeys. And one of the best films of 2012."
I don't see what is so hard for some of you to get.
Look at it from the perspective of the people in 2074. They want Bob killed. They can't kill him because bodies are tracked somehow. So they send Bob back in time to be killed. Now to the people in 2074, Bob is now dead and the only remains have been disposed of 30 years ago.
NOTHING happens to young Bob when old Bob goes back.
Its only a loop when you look at it from the outside.
To the people in 2074, nothing is looping. They are sending people back and now they are gone.
To the people in 2044, nothing is looping. They are simply killing the people that come to them out of the portal or whatever.
To the people actually being sent back, THEY ARE NOT LOOPING. They live their life, celebrate new years eve 2074, get kidnapped by the mob, find themselves in a field, and are now dead. THE END.
Somehow the people who know Bob in 2074 just forget that he was their friend for twenty years and went to dinner with them last week and he's suddenly not around?
They just magically forget Bob's life and remember that he died as a boy?
Somehow the people who know Bob in 2074 just forget that he was their friend for twenty years and went to dinner with them last week and he's suddenly not around?
They just magically forget Bob's life and remember that he died as a boy?
1. 2074 person sent by mob to 2044 to be killed.
2. 2044 younger version is alive and well, not knowing what the future holds.
3. If he survives to 2074 (if timeline not affected), mobs again sends him back to 2044 to be killed (to them it's the first time).
4. Sames as #2.
Shouldn't that be then an endless Loop?
In the movie "Old Joe" is sent back to close the Loop but escapes Joes execution. But if Joe was able to kill "Old Joe" as intended how does closing the Loop happen? Is the knowledge gained by Joe that in 30 years he will be sent back sort of help him fight that mob? Time travel being "illegal" and all. Surprised there are no "Timecops" preventing this situation from this to happen being that disappearing in the future would be virtually impossible since there are advances in tracking people. Perhaps built in GPS chips for everyone born by then?
Is there a reason for the 30 years time gap, perhaps the limit of the technology since probably time travel wasn't invented till 2044? Hell send the person to the days of the dinosaurs and let him fend for himself with no way of going back.
This was my point.
And to who ever said we are looking at it "from the outside" well of course we are, b/c this is a hypo. scenario. To each seperate party, there is no loop at all. The mob.. The killer..The victim all have their own seperate time lines. But when you look at this situation as a whole, there is a endless cycle that would keep repeating over and over. Bob is born in 2040, and when he is 4, his 34 year old self gets sent back in time and is killed. 4 year old bob never knows and keeps on living. When it's 2074 and Bob is 34 the mob sends him back in time to 2044, where he is killed... and his 4 year old self never knows.. Repeat until the universe ends.
This is why time traveling to the past, at least how I see it, could never happen. Not unless their were an infinite amount of paralelle timelines or something, but that is not really what we are saying.
No, i have it right, the victims are from 2074 and sent to be killed in 2044 so there are erased. How come you can be erased from 2044 but they cannot have a killer in 2074 erase someone in the present day of 2074?
The general thought is if you kill someone in the past, then everything they did/know/conceived after that point would not have happened therefore wiping them from existence from that point on. To everyone who knew them in the past, they are MIA (or presumed dead), to everyone they would have met after that, they never met them. The biggest problem with this is, the mob wouldn't know them either unless they knew them in the past before they sent them to kill them. Capish?
It's the mob....they like to do things big.
This was my point.
And to who ever said we are looking at it "from the outside" well of course we are, b/c this is a hypo. scenario. To each seperate party, there is no loop at all. The mob.. The killer..The victim all have their own seperate time lines. But when you look at this situation as a whole, there is a endless cycle that would keep repeating over and over. Bob is born in 2040, and when he is 4, his 34 year old self gets sent back in time and is killed. 4 year old bob never knows and keeps on living. When it's 2074 and Bob is 34 the mob sends him back in time to 2044, where he is killed... and his 4 year old self never knows.. Repeat until the universe ends.
This is why time traveling to the past, at least how I see it, could never happen. Not unless their were an infinite amount of paralelle timelines or something, but that is not really what we are saying.
This was my point.
And to who ever said we are looking at it "from the outside" well of course we are, b/c this is a hypo. scenario. To each seperate party, there is no loop at all. The mob.. The killer..The victim all have their own seperate time lines. But when you look at this situation as a whole, there is a endless cycle that would keep repeating over and over. Bob is born in 2040, and when he is 4, his 34 year old self gets sent back in time and is killed. 4 year old bob never knows and keeps on living. When it's 2074 and Bob is 34 the mob sends him back in time to 2044, where he is killed... and his 4 year old self never knows.. Repeat until the universe ends.
This is why time traveling to the past, at least how I see it, could never happen. Not unless their were an infinite amount of paralelle timelines or something, but that is not really what we are saying.