Looping Advice with Mutiple Radiators

Bleeding Jawa

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I started my first watercooling project, and as time went on, the budget went out the window. Then, it got downright expensive and almost silly. Now I have all these parts which are probably overkill, but since I have them, I could use some advice on radiator/loop setup.

Basically, what I did was design an external "cooling box" which, at this time, will only be cooling my one computer (2 loops), but I designed it with the idea that I could potentially cool two computers from the one box some day if I wanted to.

The box is about 18" x 24" and about 12" high. On each side are two Swiftech 320 radiators (4 total) which vent directly to the outside. They are boxed in with homemade shrouds, about 3/4" thick, and have a total 12 x 38mm ultra kaze fans working in a push configuration. The fans will be hooked to a sunbeam fan controller with each set of 3 fans on a different channel. The box has two intake fans: 120mm on the front and a 250mm on the back. It will also house two water pumps (Laing D5's) and two reservoirs (Swiftech Micros). I am using 7/16(ID) 11/16(OD) tygon tubing throughout.

One loop: has a D5 pump, swiftech res, 2 of the rads and will be cooling two ATI 4870's in crossfire. Currently, I am using the stock heatsink with as 120mm fan blowing on them (until D-tek makes a unisink). The GPUs are cooled by D-tek Fuzion GFX2's.

Second loop: D5 pump, swiftech res, 2 rads, CPU on Danger Den MCTDX block, northbridge, southbridge, mosfet all cooled by EK blocks.

While using 2 big radiators per loop is probably unnecessary, I already have them installed in the box, and I figure I might as well use them. With that in mind, I have three questions:

1. For the GPU loop, should I simply loop one radiator directly into the one next to it, or should I consider running a radiator after EACH gpu in the loop. If I seperate the gpus and seperate the rads, I will be adding as much as 8-10 additional feet of tubing into the loop because of the placement. However, will it be useless to run hotwater through two radiators in a row?

2. Similarly, for the cpu loop, should I consider looping one radiator after the cpu and another after the various chipset cards? Or just run all the blocks in a row, then run both rads together? The same issue with additional external tubing will apply here.

3. Should I consider moving one or more of the chipset/mosfet blocks off the cpu loop and into the gpu loop instead? Or will it be fine this way?


If my explanation doesn't make sense, I'll try to post some pics up soon, as I am getting closer to finishing up the external box in the next day or two.
 

Billb2

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Excitable boy there with all those parts.........

Have you compared the CFMs exhausting from your box (12 fans) with what the 120+250 fans will intake?

You may want to reconsider 14 fans too. Something like this EBN-Papst blower will do a much better job and be much quieter too. 420 CFMs and 5-7 times the static pressure as a fan setup.
See fan P-Q curve.

Using a separate rad for each GPU is the same as putting the pads in parallel, isn't it?
Dual rads function better is series. Same for the CPU/chipset loop.

If you want to use separate rads effectively in such a system (one rad for each GPU/One rad for CPU/one rad for chipset), you should be using a separate pump for each loop. But that would be pretty much overkill.

As for chipset blocks in which loop, that would ultimately depend on the water temps you will see.

Have you seen Martin's low Rate Estimator spreadsheet.
 

Bleeding Jawa

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Wow, that blower is sexy looking!!! If I had the ability to start over, I'd go that route just for the looks alone!

That said, I am running out of time to work on this project and can't really do a major overhaul at this point. I haven't fired them all up yet, but I'm crossing my fingers that I can adjust the fan speed down a nice quiet level. They will be pretty well-insulated as well which should also help with noise.

I have considered the cfm IN vs OUT on the fans. If it becomes a problem, I'll just knock a big hole in the top and install another 250mm fan. Otherwise, I am "hoping" that the big-fat-hole created by the existing 250mm fan will allow for enough airflow to feed the push-fans. Even though the big fan won't match the cfm's of the pushers, I would think it creates a clear path of low-resistance flow for them to suck air through.

As for the flow estimator, I did play with that and the various radiator spreadsheets as well in making my decisions. Though the exact chipset/mosfet blocks are not listed, I do not think flow-rate should be a problem for either loop. Also, the radiator estimator does show a noticable difference going from one MCR320 to two of them in the same loop. That said, I don't have the experience to assume that will carry over into real-world results.

I would have thought that either option would technically be placing the radiators in a series, but I guess I don't really know the difference or the potential result.

To restate my options:

Option 1 / Loop 1: Pump > Rad-1 > Rad-2 > CPU > NB > SB > MsFt > Res > ...back to pump
Option 1 / Loop 2: Pump > Rad-1 > Rad-2 > GPU-1 > GPU-2 > Res > ...back to pump

Option 2 / Loop 1: Pump > Rad-1 > CPU > Rad-2 > NB > SB > MsFt > Res > ...back to pump (requires extra 8+ ft of tube)
Option 2 / Loop 2: Pump > Rad-1 > GPU-1 > Rad-2 >GPU-2 > Res > ...back to pump (requires extra 8+ ft of tube)

Option 1 is definately cleaner and easier, but if I would get significantly more performance from my chosen cooling parts by splitting up the radiators (option 2), then I can certainly go that route.
 

WoodButcher

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You don't need intake fans on a box that has nothing in it to cool!
In fact you'd be better off not having a box but a frame but a box will keep it neat. Leave as much open as possible, the twelve fans will be more than enough. Your next concern will be cooling the room.

edit- run the 2 loops in series with as little tubing as possible.
 

Bleeding Jawa

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The box is there to look nice, protect expensive parts from my 3 year old son, and (hopefully) reduce the noise created by the fans.

When you say "run the 2 loops in a series," do you mean "Option 1," or do you mean combine everything into one big loop?

 
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