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loup garou

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bluestrobe

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Originally posted by: loup garou
Ugh...this is all just viral marketing for the Jeep Compass. Makes me sick to my stomach. BAD, BAD move ABC. :thumbsdown:


Well, the commercial did say "Paid for by Jeep 2006" in the lower left corner.
 

Accipiter22

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some thoughts:

If they keep dragging out the 'Others' plot lines, then I hope the show ends next season?.but otherwise there's plenty they could do with the Island. When a show becomes overly obsessed with a story arc I think it loses depth. There were some moments on last night show that reminded me of season 1 when they really had character development, and weren't just spinning their wheels with the Others line?I'm reminded of X-files, it used to be interesting, a lot of different types of stories?and then they became obsessed with the alien story lines, and the show tanked (in my opinion) and became unwatchable. They would occasionally do other types of stories for episodes, and it would be interesting again. I'm hoping this thing either A) Answers questions about the Others so the show can move on, or B) gets the show to the point where they can put the focus on some of the interesting thigns they haven't explained, like what happened to the original experimenters (if they're not the Others), what the smoke is, the polar bear, what killed the pilot, and why the hatches are abandoned



Overall I was rather dissapointed with the episode?when they'd do the flashbacks they could've just shown a minute of the old footage instead of 3 or 4. It was probably my least favorite episdoe from the 2nd half of this season?..I don't understand why Michael killed ana-lucia either?.I think libby was an accident, she startled him?.but the ana-lucia thing was completely unneccesary?he could've gone into the cell they had the guy in, faked a scuffle with him,and when ana lucia came in, henry could've cold cocked her with the gun?so I'm gonna file her death under lazy writing


The hatch seems to have the power to make any character who pushes the button flat and uninteresting?where do you think Locke was wandering off to?

Personally if I was claire I wouldn't be shocked that charlie was injecting strange substances into his body. My money's on it being a saline solution. I think it's the same stuff Desmond was using.

I'm betting the plane crashed cause of the strong magnetic force on the Island.

I'm still thinking that a plane never crashed on the island. At least, not one that had any survivors. My over-all theory is that everyone who "survived" that flight were never on it. I still want to believe that their memory of boarding on a plane, and that plane crashing, are false memories -- brought about by some drug or who knows what, and the plane crash is a set to make them believe they are survivors of this crash. I think there is a lot about this place that is going to turn out to be set dressing, perhaps with multiple causes. I think the "magnet experiment" is all fake too. Tests buried inside of tests inside an overall experiment. Or reality game show. Or something...
 

techs

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Originally posted by: DeathBUA
Question: Where in the hell did Locke run off to is what I was thinking rewatching the episode.

And does anyone know where there is a trailer for the season finale that I can download/stream?

Here is what I saw doing a frame by frame of the trailer:


Jack on the boat breaking into the hatch with his gun drawn.

A key inserted into a lock. The key looked like it had a DHARMA logo on it.

DESMOND with a rifle in what could have been the others camp.

Kate, Jack and Michael standing next to what looks like a huge pile of the thingies that the Dr. Candle used to put the notebooks in and then put into the vacuum tube. It looked like they may still have had the notebooks inside.

Locke swinging what looked like a large stick or axe at the computer and Ekos arm trying to block it. Looks like Ekos too late.

The blast door coming down with Eko still inside.

Charlie being blown towards a wall by what looks like a blast.

Jin and Sayid on the boat. Sayid is looking thru binoculars (maybe the 'advantage' is they sail the boat around the island and attack the others from the rear)


And it may just have been an effect or the TIVO but:
Possibly saw the same black shooting thing like the rectangle from 2001 A Space Odyssey which originally was seen in the first episode (the one that swooped down and hit the engine). I may have seen a couple flying around outside the back of the plane as the tail falls off and when the tail hits the water.




 

mzkhadir

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Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: DeathBUA
Question: Where in the hell did Locke run off to is what I was thinking rewatching the episode.

And does anyone know where there is a trailer for the season finale that I can download/stream?

Here is what I saw doing a frame by frame of the trailer:


Jack on the boat breaking into the hatch with his gun drawn.

A key inserted into a lock. The key looked like it had a DHARMA logo on it.

DESMOND with a rifle in what could have been the others camp.

Kate, Jack and Michael standing next to what looks like a huge pile of the thingies that the Dr. Candle used to put the notebooks in and then put into the vacuum tube. It looked like they may still have had the notebooks inside.

Locke swinging what looked like a large stick or axe at the computer and Ekos arm trying to block it. Looks like Ekos too late.

The blast door coming down with Eko still inside.

Charlie being blown towards a wall by what looks like a blast.

Jin and Sayid on the boat. Sayid is looking thru binoculars (maybe the 'advantage' is they sail the boat around the island and attack the others from the rear)


And it may just have been an effect or the TIVO but:
Possibly saw the same black shooting thing like the rectangle from 2001 A Space Odyssey which originally was seen in the first episode (the one that swooped down and hit the engine). I may have seen a couple flying around outside the back of the plane as the tail falls off and when the tail hits the water.


someone on the other website was saying that the hatch blew up.
 

OrByte

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What do the Others want with just those 5 people!?!?

that is what is driving me crazy.

I laughed out loud when I saw Walt, the kid looks like 2 years older but they did something to his voice to make him sound like a little girl..
 

mzkhadir

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Originally posted by: OrByte
What do the Others want with just those 5 people!?!?

that is what is driving me crazy.

I laughed out loud when I saw Walt, the kid looks like 2 years older but they did something to his voice to make him sound like a little girl..

They know the blood types the people and want them for experimentation. Maybe.
 

bluestrobe

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Originally posted by: mzkhadir
Originally posted by: OrByte
What do the Others want with just those 5 people!?!?

that is what is driving me crazy.

I laughed out loud when I saw Walt, the kid looks like 2 years older but they did something to his voice to make him sound like a little girl..

They know the blood types the people and want them for experimentation. Maybe.



That would have to be it. I thought about it for a bit and can't find what is the same about them.
 

TechnoPro

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What I can't figure out is how the others knew Sawyer's real name. Either they knew in advance he was coming, or they engineered the crash as a means to attract certain people, Sawyer included, for an experiment, or whatever. The back stories would seem to illustrate that everybody had some connection to one another, in some giant mesh of sorts. But what exactly could orchestrate them all to be on the same plane at the same time?
 

UpgradeFailure

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Originally posted by: TechnoPro
What I can't figure out is how the others knew Sawyer's real name. Either they knew in advance he was coming, or they engineered the crash as a means to attract certain people, Sawyer included, for an experiment, or whatever. The back stories would seem to illustrate that everybody had some connection to one another, in some giant mesh of sorts. But what exactly could orchestrate them all to be on the same plane at the same time?

It can go either way. Since the others have cameras in the hatches, who knows if there are more around? On the way to find Michael the first time, is when Locke called Sawyer James Ford. So maybe they heard that. Not sure though. Only 6 more days 'til we find out why the plane crashed at least.
 

TechnoPro

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Originally posted by: UpgradeFailure
Originally posted by: TechnoPro
What I can't figure out is how the others knew Sawyer's real name. Either they knew in advance he was coming, or they engineered the crash as a means to attract certain people, Sawyer included, for an experiment, or whatever. The back stories would seem to illustrate that everybody had some connection to one another, in some giant mesh of sorts. But what exactly could orchestrate them all to be on the same plane at the same time?

It can go either way. Since the others have cameras in the hatches, who knows if there are more around? On the way to find Michael the first time, is when Locke called Sawyer James Ford. So maybe they heard that. Not sure though. Only 6 more days 'til we find out why the plane crashed at least.

I can't remember when Locke called Sawyer by his real name, but I'll take your word for it. Assuming that cameras are everywhere, the observers/others would hear that Sawyer is called Sawyer by everyone. Indeed, 6 more days...
 

UpgradeFailure

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Originally posted by: TechnoPro
Originally posted by: UpgradeFailure
Originally posted by: TechnoPro
What I can't figure out is how the others knew Sawyer's real name. Either they knew in advance he was coming, or they engineered the crash as a means to attract certain people, Sawyer included, for an experiment, or whatever. The back stories would seem to illustrate that everybody had some connection to one another, in some giant mesh of sorts. But what exactly could orchestrate them all to be on the same plane at the same time?

It can go either way. Since the others have cameras in the hatches, who knows if there are more around? On the way to find Michael the first time, is when Locke called Sawyer James Ford. So maybe they heard that. Not sure though. Only 6 more days 'til we find out why the plane crashed at least.

I can't remember when Locke called Sawyer by his real name, but I'll take your word for it. Assuming that cameras are everywhere, the observers/others would hear that Sawyer is called Sawyer by everyone. Indeed, 6 more days...

Yeah it was in Episode 11 (Hunting party). But I concur, why would they use that name if they know he is known as, and goes by, Swayer? Unless they wanted Michael to know they know more than he does. I'm hoping they knew his real name because they knew he was coming, or something along those lines.

I can not wait 'til wednesday!
 

middlehead

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Originally posted by: TechnoPro
What I can't figure out is how the others knew Sawyer's real name. Either they knew in advance he was coming, or they engineered the crash as a means to attract certain people, Sawyer included, for an experiment, or whatever. The back stories would seem to illustrate that everybody had some connection to one another, in some giant mesh of sorts. But what exactly could orchestrate them all to be on the same plane at the same time?
Jack's dad.
 

TechnoPro

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Originally posted by: middlehead
Originally posted by: TechnoPro
What I can't figure out is how the others knew Sawyer's real name. Either they knew in advance he was coming, or they engineered the crash as a means to attract certain people, Sawyer included, for an experiment, or whatever. The back stories would seem to illustrate that everybody had some connection to one another, in some giant mesh of sorts. But what exactly could orchestrate them all to be on the same plane at the same time?
Jack's dad.

Care to elaborate? What did Jack's dad have to do with Jin for example?
 

flashbacck

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Originally posted by: mzkhadir
charlie is going drug free.

they should've used the heroin on fake-Henry Gale. Get him addicted them withdraw him, to make him talk.
 

bluestrobe

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Anyone see what the "others" hatch had for a symbol? So far we have the staff, swan, pearl, and arrow which have been found or seen.
 

mzkhadir

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Originally posted by: UpgradeFailure
Originally posted by: TechnoPro
Originally posted by: UpgradeFailure
Originally posted by: TechnoPro
What I can't figure out is how the others knew Sawyer's real name. Either they knew in advance he was coming, or they engineered the crash as a means to attract certain people, Sawyer included, for an experiment, or whatever. The back stories would seem to illustrate that everybody had some connection to one another, in some giant mesh of sorts. But what exactly could orchestrate them all to be on the same plane at the same time?

It can go either way. Since the others have cameras in the hatches, who knows if there are more around? On the way to find Michael the first time, is when Locke called Sawyer James Ford. So maybe they heard that. Not sure though. Only 6 more days 'til we find out why the plane crashed at least.

I can't remember when Locke called Sawyer by his real name, but I'll take your word for it. Assuming that cameras are everywhere, the observers/others would hear that Sawyer is called Sawyer by everyone. Indeed, 6 more days...

Yeah it was in Episode 11 (Hunting party). But I concur, why would they use that name if they know he is known as, and goes by, Swayer? Unless they wanted Michael to know they know more than he does. I'm hoping they knew his real name because they knew he was coming, or something along those lines.

I can not wait 'til wednesday!


What about the flight manifest ? Could they have gotten it some how ?

 

UpgradeFailure

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Originally posted by: mzkhadir
Originally posted by: UpgradeFailure
Originally posted by: TechnoPro
Originally posted by: UpgradeFailure
Originally posted by: TechnoPro
What I can't figure out is how the others knew Sawyer's real name. Either they knew in advance he was coming, or they engineered the crash as a means to attract certain people, Sawyer included, for an experiment, or whatever. The back stories would seem to illustrate that everybody had some connection to one another, in some giant mesh of sorts. But what exactly could orchestrate them all to be on the same plane at the same time?

It can go either way. Since the others have cameras in the hatches, who knows if there are more around? On the way to find Michael the first time, is when Locke called Sawyer James Ford. So maybe they heard that. Not sure though. Only 6 more days 'til we find out why the plane crashed at least.

I can't remember when Locke called Sawyer by his real name, but I'll take your word for it. Assuming that cameras are everywhere, the observers/others would hear that Sawyer is called Sawyer by everyone. Indeed, 6 more days...

Yeah it was in Episode 11 (Hunting party). But I concur, why would they use that name if they know he is known as, and goes by, Swayer? Unless they wanted Michael to know they know more than he does. I'm hoping they knew his real name because they knew he was coming, or something along those lines.

I can not wait 'til wednesday!


What about the flight manifest ? Could they have gotten it some how ?


They could have, but the manifest wouldn't say "James Ford, AKA Swayer". Locke figured it out since he knew everyone else and stuff. But this is interesting to see how they know his name.
 
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