Lost 3x20

[rockyct]

Originally posted by: JEDI
Just saw it on abc.com. WTFBBQ?!

ben was in on the plot to kill the Darma Inititive?!

Richard was one of initial Hostiles? then Ben is just Richard's puppet?

What happened to the girl that befriended young Ben? Is she the French woman, Russo?
Could Ben's daughter, Alex, being his biological daughter if Russo is the mom?

Why did Ben have the gun?

The head guy running the Darma Inititive on the island-> What was his title on his work clothes?

The French woman came in a research vessel looking for the source of the numbers transmission. Or at least that's what I thought.

I think Ben's intention the whole time was to kill Locke while they went to see Jacob. I'm sure other people have made Ben take them to see Jacob but when they go to the shack, neither see Jacob, and Ben kills the person on the way back. I think that's why people were so shocked, it was like a death sentence for Locke. However, this time was different because Locke actually heard Jacob speak. Of course, now that he found out that Locke can hear Jacob, Locke really needed to be killed so that he doesn't become a challenge to Ben's authority.

The only issue with my theory that Ben can't see/hear Jacob is that he didn't seem surprised when Jacob went crazy in the shack. Although, when he walked out of the shack, he seemed a little stunned.

 

[49erinnc]

Anyone figured out yet what the powder around the cabin is yet? I've read speculation that it may be gunpowder from the TNT that the French lady took from the ship. But if you look at the screen caps, that line Locke found is pretty wide/deep. There's no way she could have gotten that much gunpowder from the one case of TNT she took.

And didn't Ben acknowledge the powder but not really check it out? I couldn't tell if his reaction was one of knowing what it was or realizing it wasn't supposed to be there.

This show just gets odder and odder as it progresses. I get a headache just from trying to sort through it all.

 

[Tommy2000GT]

Originally posted by: Kev
waahhh waahhhhhh WAAHHHHHHH

more questions no answers

wahhhhhhhhhhhh

WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

shut the ****** up already you babies.

for every answer, there is like 10 more questions you numb nuts

 

[mezrah]

Originally posted by: 49erinnc
Anyone figured out yet what the powder around the cabin is yet? I've read speculation that it may be gunpowder from the TNT that the French lady took from the ship. But if you look at the screen caps, that line Locke found is pretty wide/deep. There's no way she could have gotten that much gunpowder from the one case of TNT she took.

And didn't Ben acknowledge the powder but not really check it out? I couldn't tell if his reaction was one of knowing what it was or realizing it wasn't supposed to be there.

This show just gets odder and odder as it progresses. I get a headache just from trying to sort through it all.

The inclusion of volcanoes as the lesson in the classroom leads me to think it might be volcanic ash. But how that is useful in keeping Jacob contained is beyond me.

 

[Minjin]

Originally posted by: mezrah

Originally posted by: 49erinnc
Anyone figured out yet what the powder around the cabin is yet? I've read speculation that it may be gunpowder from the TNT that the French lady took from the ship. But if you look at the screen caps, that line Locke found is pretty wide/deep. There's no way she could have gotten that much gunpowder from the one case of TNT she took.

And didn't Ben acknowledge the powder but not really check it out? I couldn't tell if his reaction was one of knowing what it was or realizing it wasn't supposed to be there.

This show just gets odder and odder as it progresses. I get a headache just from trying to sort through it all.

The inclusion of volcanoes as the lesson in the classroom leads me to think it might be volcanic ash. But how that is useful in keeping Jacob contained is beyond me.

Or is Jacob using it to keep certain people/things out?

 

[jdini76]

Originally posted by: JEDI

The head guy running the Darma Inititive on the island-> What was his title on his work clothes?

Which guy was the head guy? If you mean the friend that got Roger (Ben's Father) the job, he isnt the head guy. But would be nice to see what his job was. Work man too?

 

[49erinnc]

Originally posted by: Minjin

Or is Jacob using it to keep certain people/things out?

That was my initial thought...that it was some protective barrier around the home. Tough to say but it was a pretty substantial line so I'm sure it was something other than gunpowder. Volcanic ash would make sense from a resource perspective but not sure what type of protective properties it may have. With last night having some supernatural elements, it could be anything. Who knows.....

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: paulxcook

Originally posted by: sandorski
Perhaps Dharma no longer exists? It's Supplies funded by some Trust Fund, Suppliers just Air Drop on a Schedule. I think either Dharma is gone or unaware that Its' island operation has been destroyed.

As per Ben's flashbacks, Dharma was there to study certain unique qualities about the island. I don't think the Child birthing issue was part of that research. That was probably something the Others started on their own, since they seem determined to live there and dominate there(why they don't want anyone to leave, to keep it secret). Doesn't really explain how the Others have so much reach into the outer world with Intel and such or how/why they seem to have had prior contact with all the Losties in some fashion(unless all that contact was at the Airport in Sydney, but I'm pretty sure it went way before that with many).

If Dharma didn't exist, why would the food and supplies that is dropped currently still have the Dharma logo plastered all over it? Also, who staged the fake plane wreck with dead bodies? The natives are, well, native to the island (though they obviously aren't tribal savages), so where would they get the money and expertise to do all that they do? I think Dharma must still exist somehow.

Packaging and Shipping can easily be done by someone else under contract. The rest can't be as easily explained.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: Imp
Great episode, but all I can say is of all the people who've died, Locke better come back...

Locke hasn't died yet.

 

[JEDI]

Originally posted by: trmiv
Jacob looks like Kris Kristofferson in Blade

wait.. u saw jacob!? all i saw is an empty chair.

explain pls

 

[JEDI]

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: Imp
Great episode, but all I can say is of all the people who've died, Locke better come back...

Locke hasn't died yet.

at the cabin, locke had the gun.

at the graves, when ben went to shoot locke, locke went for his knife.

how did ben get the gun?!

 

[Kev]

Originally posted by: Tommy2000GT

Originally posted by: Kev
waahhh waahhhhhh WAAHHHHHHH

more questions no answers

wahhhhhhhhhhhh

WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

shut the ****** up already you babies.

for every answer, there is like 10 more questions you numb nuts

my point is... WHO GIVES A SH*T. It's a TV show, people. If you don't like it... don't watch it.

 

[trmiv]

Originally posted by: JEDI

Originally posted by: trmiv
Jacob looks like Kris Kristofferson in Blade

wait.. u saw jacob!? all i saw is an empty chair.

explain pls

Jacob

 

[sash1]

Originally posted by: 49erinnc

Originally posted by: Minjin

Or is Jacob using it to keep certain people/things out?

That was my initial thought...that it was some protective barrier around the home. Tough to say but it was a pretty substantial line so I'm sure it was something other than gunpowder. Volcanic ash would make sense from a resource perspective but not sure what type of protective properties it may have. With last night having some supernatural elements, it could be anything. Who knows.....

lostpedia had some theories on it which i like:

"The substance that surrounds the Jacob's cabin may well be gunpowder: Ben may have placed it inside and around the house in order to destroy it and anything inside if need be. However, the way it is arranged as well as the manner in which he carefully steps over it as he approaches the house evokes images of the circles used in magic to contain and command otherworldly entities. If the circle is broken, the entity can escape, and it usually seeks revenge on the person who imprisoned it.
If this is true it would make sense that Jacob could not leave the circle in human form, but rather as the monster, enraged because he has been trapped by Ben.
In some cultures (possibly an eastern one, though I don't completely recall) it is believed that ghosts and other spirits are unable to cross a line of salt. Jacob could be a spirit of some sort, perhaps in some respect related to Ben's mother and the whispering in the jungle."

This would fit well with him saying to Locke: "help me"

I doubt the powder came from Rousseau. If it did, then it would have startled Ben more to suddenly see powder around this house, as he obviously noticed it when he carefully stepped around it and hurried Locke who was inspecting it.

It very well could be some sort of way to keep Jacob in that house. Rousseau very well could have been getting explosives in order to blow up the house.

edit: anyway, i just finished downloading this episode. i'm gonna watch it again and see if i can't pick up on anything else

 

[drnickriviera]

Originally posted by: jdini76

Originally posted by: JEDI

The head guy running the Darma Inititive on the island-> What was his title on his work clothes?

Which guy was the head guy? If you mean the friend that got Roger (Ben's Father) the job, he isnt the head guy. But would be nice to see what his job was. Work man too?

I thought it said mathematician.

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: sash1

Originally posted by: 49erinnc

Originally posted by: Minjin

Or is Jacob using it to keep certain people/things out?

That was my initial thought...that it was some protective barrier around the home. Tough to say but it was a pretty substantial line so I'm sure it was something other than gunpowder. Volcanic ash would make sense from a resource perspective but not sure what type of protective properties it may have. With last night having some supernatural elements, it could be anything. Who knows.....

lostpedia had some theories on it which i like:

"The substance that surrounds the Jacob's cabin may well be gunpowder: Ben may have placed it inside and around the house in order to destroy it and anything inside if need be. However, the way it is arranged as well as the manner in which he carefully steps over it as he approaches the house evokes images of the circles used in magic to contain and command otherworldly entities. If the circle is broken, the entity can escape, and it usually seeks revenge on the person who imprisoned it.
If this is true it would make sense that Jacob could not leave the circle in human form, but rather as the monster, enraged because he has been trapped by Ben.
In some cultures (possibly an eastern one, though I don't completely recall) it is believed that ghosts and other spirits are unable to cross a line of salt. Jacob could be a spirit of some sort, perhaps in some respect related to Ben's mother and the whispering in the jungle."

This would fit well with him saying to Locke: "help me"

I doubt the powder came from Rousseau. If it did, then it would have startled Ben more to suddenly see powder around this house, as he obviously noticed it when he carefully stepped around it and hurried Locke who was inspecting it.

It very well could be some sort of way to keep Jacob in that house. Rousseau very well could have been getting explosives in order to blow up the house.

edit: anyway, i just finished downloading this episode. i'm gonna watch it again and see if i can't pick up on anything else

Maybe the powder is the smoke monster?!

 

[jdini76]

Originally posted by: JEDI

Originally posted by: trmiv
Jacob looks like Kris Kristofferson in Blade

wait.. u saw jacob!? all i saw is an empty chair.

explain pls

you mean you couldn't see him!!!!???





hehe j/k

When Ben gets pushed against the wall, Jocab appears. Although in the shadows, and very quickly, he can be seen.

 

[Cabages]

I think the eye patch guy (cant remember his name) is also an original dharma. Hes always wearing that suit, and he seems like more of an outcase, yet allowed to live.

I thought the stuff around Jacobs cabin looked like beach sand, but then that doesnt explain why it was so interesting.

Did is look like regular beach sand to anyone else.

 

[davestar]

anyone have screencaps of the other "hostiles" when they come into the village after the gassing? are they some of the same people who now comprise "the others"? are they ageless like Richard?

 

[jdini76]

Originally posted by: Cabages
I think the eye patch guy (cant remember his name) is also an original dharma. Hes always wearing that suit, and he seems like more of an outcase, yet allowed to live.

I thought the stuff around Jacobs cabin looked like beach sand, but then that doesnt explain why it was so interesting.

Did is look like regular beach sand to anyone else.

Mikhail originally said he was from Dharma when Sayid, Kate and Loche stumbled upon the comm location. But I can't rememebr if he admitted that he was really a hostile or not.

 

[imported_Imp]

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: Imp
Great episode, but all I can say is of all the people who've died, Locke better come back...

Locke hasn't died yet.

Knew someone would correct me on that. Not dead yet, but he sure looked deathly when his eyes froze up.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: destrekor
this is going be one of the best/worst season finales the show has ever seen. Best as in, well... the best. Quite a bit will likely be answered, but more questions will be raised to draw us into next season, but the worst in that its probably going to be the most painful cliffhanger with a lot of very important questions raised, whilst only answering maybe one or two relatively big nagging questions that have been around forever.
I still remember last season's finale, and they haven't touched upon ANY of that essentially. The whole magnetic system and causing the plane to crash and all. I have a feeling that will be revisited next season, in one of those episodes where they recap what happened quite a while ago in the show and continue the story from there. They have done that numerous times, where the 'previously on Lost' segment is actually stuff from towards the beginning of the season, and they continued with it from there. Hell, I think I've seen an episode or two where the 'Previously...' segment was recalling events from the previous season.

This episode was fantastic, and raised quite a few big questions. Really looking forward to the next episode and the finale.

24 is ending quite strong and will make for one strong tv week. Sadly that week is also the week I have major assignments due. dammit! lol

I have yet to watch this past mondays episode, but the episodes previous to that were terrible. 24 went so downhill this season it's not even funny. The show is like a trainwreck. I can't remember any season of a show where I've seen so many people looking forward to a season finale just so they won't have to devote any time to the show anymore.

24 is incredibly lame now and I will not be watching it as it airs next season no questions asked.

24 is ending incredibly LAME. Heroes hiccuped too but it's still way better than 24. Either way, a lot of finales will be occuring when my finals hit, so.... time to fire up the HDTV tuner for recording!

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Oh and how did they gas attack the main camp? Did someone let them past the sonic barrier?

 

[TheNinja]

People complain about this show a lot, but I think it is one of the top 3 shows out there right now. It is different than anything else and is very intriguing. I guess we could just have another Survivor, or watch idiots try to win a million dollars by picking random cases. I know, let's have another show where a fat funny guy marries a hot thin woman and hilarity will ensue!! I can't wait to see how this season ends.

WAR LOST!

 

[nageov3t]

you could possibly make the argument that Danielle was part of the Dharma initiative... it's contrary to her story (that she was part of a science team that was on a boat that decided to investigate the "numbers" broadcast and ran aground on the island), but has anything in the show actually corroborated her back story? I don't recall anyone ever coming across the boat or anything.