Lost 3x20

[CDC Mail Guy]

Originally posted by: paulxcook
I typically don't like Locke-centric episodes, but if we learn more about the island, maybe it'll be a good one.

I disagree. They could devout an entire season to Locke, and I would watch them all. To me he DEFINES the show.

 

[JEDI]

Originally posted by: CDC Mail Guy

Originally posted by: paulxcook
I typically don't like Locke-centric episodes, but if we learn more about the island, maybe it'll be a good one.

I disagree. They could devout an entire season to Locke, and I would watch them all. To me he DEFINES the show.

yep, i think locke is the center of the show, and not the doc.

 

[Kaido]

Originally posted by: JEDI

Originally posted by: CDC Mail Guy

Originally posted by: paulxcook
I typically don't like Locke-centric episodes, but if we learn more about the island, maybe it'll be a good one.

I disagree. They could devout an entire season to Locke, and I would watch them all. To me he DEFINES the show.

yep, i think locke is the center of the show, and not the doc.

They've really phased Jack out quite a bit. He's still the "hero" but I don't really feel like caring about him anymore. Now he's just...there. I am much more interested in Locke and Desmond.

 

[JEDI]

yeah.. now it seems that the only interesting chars are the ones with superpowers.

locke - super fast heal
desmond - precog (see the future)

wonder when the guy w/optic blasts and phoenix girl will show show up

 

[Kaido]

Originally posted by: JEDI
yeah.. now it seems that the only interesting chars are the ones with superpowers.

locke - super fast heal
desmond - precog (see the future)

wonder when the guy w/optic blasts and phoenix girl will show show up

haha

I wonder if Walt and Michael really made it home. My wife and I were discussing this the other day. If they really are far away from land, the boat wouldn't make it. But Ben gave them directions and a boat. But Ben is a huge liar. Maybe they intersected with the helicopter lady's boat, but she didn't mention anything about that. Ben wants to get rid of off-island transportation, so giving the boat to Michael was a good thing. He probably also knew that he wouldn't be able to make it home, so there's two birds with one stone - no boat, no one to blab about the island back in the "real world".

 

[HomeAppraiser]

Originally posted by: Kaido
...also what's up with the big cable coming in from the ocean, is it for power, a data connection...?

I think it goes out to the underwater beacon which guides the sub in. Ben said the beacon stopped functioning after the flash when the hatch exploded.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

For the last time people, the island is not purgatory! This myth has been debunked several times by the creators of the show. Whomever was mentioning ghost whisperers is smoking some serious sh!t......

 

[jdoggg12]

Purgatory doesn't explain the ability of the hostiles (Ethan) to have interacted with the survivors in their lives before the crash...

 

[Smartazz]

Originally posted by: Luthien
Purgatory would also explain how everyones life history is known.

The "ONE" they are looking for could be a human that can teach the others to forgive their past and move on to heaven.

Oh, and yes by no new children I meant "Born/concieved" on the island. To be in purgatory you must have been born or concieved off island. Concieved implys still in mom when she died so you died with mom so you are born in purgatory with mom. Purgatory though you would think is not a place for a newborn child and it should goto heaven directly as an innocent but to maintain the illusion of reality on the show and for the people in purgatory it is simply just part of the show.

The hardest part to explain with the purgatory theory so far IMO is Juliet and how they recruited her. If it is really purgatory how did they manage to enter reality and recruit her. This can be explained in a couple ways but it also makes the show even more surreal. Either the other people brought in are also in purgatory but in another scenario of their own and the others on the island figured out how to interact with the other purgatories with the vessel (submarine) and recruit people using it or... The others have figured out how to communicate with the living via ghost whisperers and those people then kill the individuals they want to recruit, etc. Juliet wasn't put to sleep and transported on a submarine litterally. Juliet was actually killed...

A lot of the show revolves around learning the past of the characters and the evil that they did and how they are conflicted and tortured because of the decisions they made in their lives. Purgatory is giving them the chance to reflect on their past and move on forgiving themselves and the people that wronged them or continue down the path of evil and once that decision is made they die in purgatory and either go to heaven or hell.

So, if it turns out to be purgatory it will be a purgatory that is of course based on the catholic purgatory but a fantastic version of it that the writters took liberty with in order to make a good tv show.

If it isnt purgatory it is likely all real as we have been given it and the plane found with the passengers in it was a cover up by darma or the others or another as yet unseen power on the island.

You could explain things with the garden of eden but man was supposed to be banished from eden by god forever so finding eden should be impossible period. Then again TV is TV and they can make up their own rules.

The search for a way to allow children to be born on the island is an affront to god. It is an effort to create life so that the inhabitants of the island can create their own paradise within purgatory forever shunning hell and heaven. It is a better to rule in hell than serve in heaven type of attitude as in Blakes paradise lost etc. The others in purgatory want to stay and build a life in purgator instead of accepting gods law. It is an attempt to circumvent the rules.

Interesting ideas.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: jdoggg12
Purgatory doesn't explain the ability of the hostiles (Ethan) to have interacted with the survivors in their lives before the crash...

Actually it could. However, since the Developers insist it's not Purgatory, I'll assume it's not Purgatory. Just wanted to point out that Others appearing to the Losties before their "death" wouldn't negate the Purgatory idea.

 

[Smartazz]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: jdoggg12
Purgatory doesn't explain the ability of the hostiles (Ethan) to have interacted with the survivors in their lives before the crash...

Actually it could. However, since the Developers insist it's not Purgatory, I'll assume it's not Purgatory. Just wanted to point out that Others appearing to the Losties before their "death" wouldn't negate the Purgatory idea.

Beat me to it.

 

[mzkhadir]

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[mezrah]

Originally posted by: mzkhadir
LOST finale secrets trickling in :http://www.aintitcool.com/node/32639

Another great LOST site to check out, DarkUFO's Site

 

[Kaido]

I bet you anything they'll kill off Charlie. He has it coming, based on Desmond's character.

 

[49erinnc]

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
For the last time people, the island is not purgatory! This myth has been debunked several times by the creators of the show. Whomever was mentioning ghost whisperers is smoking some serious sh!t......

I'm by no means on the "it's purgatory" bandwagon but I'm not 100% convinced that the creators/writers would acknowledge that anyway. If people caught on early that it was purgatory, then I can see the creators dismissing it simply to throw people off track.

With that said, I don't think they are in real time. Whether that be purgatory, another dimension, etc.

 

[MikeyLSU]

Originally posted by: 49erinnc

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
For the last time people, the island is not purgatory! This myth has been debunked several times by the creators of the show. Whomever was mentioning ghost whisperers is smoking some serious sh!t......

I'm by no means on the "it's purgatory" bandwagon but I'm not 100% convinced that the creators/writers would acknowledge that anyway. If people caught on early that it was purgatory, then I can see the creators dismissing it simply to throw people off track.

With that said, I don't think they are in real time. Whether that be purgatory, another dimension, etc.

How could Richard possibly recruit new members if they are all dead and in purgatory?

 

[Kaido]

Originally posted by: MikeyLSU

Originally posted by: 49erinnc

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
For the last time people, the island is not purgatory! This myth has been debunked several times by the creators of the show. Whomever was mentioning ghost whisperers is smoking some serious sh!t......

I'm by no means on the "it's purgatory" bandwagon but I'm not 100% convinced that the creators/writers would acknowledge that anyway. If people caught on early that it was purgatory, then I can see the creators dismissing it simply to throw people off track.

With that said, I don't think they are in real time. Whether that be purgatory, another dimension, etc.

How could Richard possibly recruit new members if they are all dead and in purgatory?

Not only that, but Ben sent Walt and Michael home on a boat.

 

[MikeyLSU]

well, we don't know if they made it home though

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: MikeyLSU

Originally posted by: 49erinnc

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
For the last time people, the island is not purgatory! This myth has been debunked several times by the creators of the show. Whomever was mentioning ghost whisperers is smoking some serious sh!t......

I'm by no means on the "it's purgatory" bandwagon but I'm not 100% convinced that the creators/writers would acknowledge that anyway. If people caught on early that it was purgatory, then I can see the creators dismissing it simply to throw people off track.

With that said, I don't think they are in real time. Whether that be purgatory, another dimension, etc.

How could Richard possibly recruit new members if they are all dead and in purgatory?

There are/would be ways to leave.

 

[Kaido]

Originally posted by: MikeyLSU
well, we don't know if they made it home though

I wonder if they are going to make a return appearance...

 

[MikeyLSU]

so what are the ways that someone could exit purgatory and enter the real world?

 

[mzkhadir]

Originally posted by: Kaido

Originally posted by: MikeyLSU
well, we don't know if they made it home though

I wonder if they are going to make a return appearance...

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one of them is in the season finale.

 

[49erinnc]

Originally posted by: MikeyLSU
so what are the ways that someone could exit purgatory and enter the real world?

Portal? The submarine? By righting a wrong?

I don't think it's far-fetched to think that one could travel between parallels given the nature of this show. And as for Walt/Michael, we have no way of knowing if Ben truly set them free. I'm sure we'll get more info concerning them before this season ends. I'm guessing one or both of them will play a big part in the season ending cliffhanger.

 

[naldo]

From what I understand Ben actually sent them back to the Hydra Station. Theres a couple maps out that show the Hydra Station being at bearing 325 (The direction he told them to travel) from the pier. The maps could be wrong though.

My thoughts on whats going to happen in the finale. Micheal and Walt were knocked off course by the hatch explosion and the compass messed up from the magnetism so they didnt actually travel at 325 like they thought and eventualy eneded up at that carrier that Naomi was on. The carrier is going to be controlled by Dharma and we will find out that Naomi is actually a Dharma person who was sent in after the hatch explosion and the subsequent explosion of the Flame to asses the situation (not knowing that the lack of the magnetism controller in the hatch would cause her helicopter to fail). Dharma will send a team out to help retake the island (what Naomi meant when she said she was not alone to Mikhail, thinking he was a real dharma employee becuase of the uniform he had on) and the lostie's will be forced to choose sides between Dharma and The Others/Hostiles or Dharma will see the losties as hostiles aswell and they will be forced to work with the Others/Hostiles to survive. Which would explain why so many people die in the finale.

Far fetched I know, but it could happen, would make great TV if it was true though.

 

[flot]

Someone talk to me about all this father killing with the plane crash crowd.

Locke wasn't allowed to join the others until he killed his father
Sawer DID kill his father
Hurley killed his father (via his curse)
Kate killed her father
Jin "killed" his father (he told everyone he was dead)
Jack "killed" his father by alienating him

Does killing your father put them in a special group for "the others"? Certainly seems to - look how interested the others were in Locke when he showed up with a bag over his shoulder...

Who else am I forgetting?