LOST 3x22 and LOST 3x23

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: Kaido

Originally posted by: Tommy2000GT
stupid charlie, he could have squeezed through that round window

I thought that too. It made exactly zero sense that he chose to die. Zero.

If people want to be real anal, you could say that the room was air tight and the water level should not have risen past the hight of the window, leaving a very large air pocket at the ceiling. Or at hte very least, the water level should not have risen as fast once the level of hte blown out window was erached.

He's dead people, get over it. We've come to accpet how the plane crashed, now just accept that Charlie is dead.

 

[bigrash]

Originally posted by: Comdrpopnfresh
I knew as soon as kate got out of the car that the flashes were flashforwards rather than backs

you're a genius!

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: FreshPrince

Originally posted by: Kaido

Originally posted by: joshsquall
For people who don't get it:

1. Charlie chose to die, because Desmond told him that was the only way Claire and Aaron would be saved.
2. Jack made a reference to his father because he was either out of it due to drugs and alcohol, or as a joke.
3. Jack's flashbacks were actually flashforwards. He and Kate have done something in the future to get off of the island. Something that they are not proud of and involved lying. This implies that others are still on the island.

#1 makes sense. But he fulfilled his mission (hitting the switch) and thus didn't have to drown. Oh well

like I and many other have already explained, desmond TOLD him that he had to die in order to save claire and her child....he's a true hero and did it out of his love for them.

what didn't make sense is that desmond trying hard to save him? why? did he tell charlie a lie and his vision really didn't involve charlie dying? why did he lie to charlie? is it because he's just tired of saving charlie all the time....all the flashbacks prove that desmond is a quitter...

that shoud be what doesn't make sense to all of us, not why charlie decided to die. that should be very obvious by now.

Like you and many others have already explained....blah, doesn't make sense, and you can say it again and again, it still won't make sense. Charlie only would have chosen to drown if flipping the switch required him to stay in that room and drown. Since he flipped the switch, he should have and could have left alive. Otherwise it's merely self-fulfilling prophecy.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: Furyline

Originally posted by: Imp

Originally posted by: naldo
Wow, I really suck at taking screencaps. Heres some of the note and the maps though

http://i17.tinypic.com/52bb8me.jpg

http://i16.tinypic.com/63ioysx.jpg

http://i16.tinypic.com/5ycnrpd.jpg

http://i19.tinypic.com/661oaaa.jpg

http://i15.tinypic.com/5xe876f.jpg

http://i17.tinypic.com/52oehs3.jpg

I see ''the body of J..... ...tly".

maybe it is Jacob :Q:Q

Interestign repsonse to the funeral director:
Director: "Firend or family?"
Jack: "Neither"

He expected Kate to show up. Maybe it was Sawyer? And in the future she ended up dating someone else.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: FreshPrince

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: FreshPrince

Originally posted by: Kaido

Originally posted by: joshsquall
For people who don't get it:

1. Charlie chose to die, because Desmond told him that was the only way Claire and Aaron would be saved.
2. Jack made a reference to his father because he was either out of it due to drugs and alcohol, or as a joke.
3. Jack's flashbacks were actually flashforwards. He and Kate have done something in the future to get off of the island. Something that they are not proud of and involved lying. This implies that others are still on the island.

#1 makes sense. But he fulfilled his mission (hitting the switch) and thus didn't have to drown. Oh well

like I and many other have already explained, desmond TOLD him that he had to die in order to save claire and her child....he's a true hero and did it out of his love for them.

what didn't make sense is that desmond trying hard to save him? why? did he tell charlie a lie and his vision really didn't involve charlie dying? why did he lie to charlie? is it because he's just tired of saving charlie all the time....all the flashbacks prove that desmond is a quitter...

that shoud be what doesn't make sense to all of us, not why charlie decided to die. that should be very obvious by now.

I'm not entirely convinced Desmond was trying to save Charlie. He saw Penny on the screen. He probably just wanted to save the computer (somehow) so he could communicate with her.

hmm..good point....but did he really see the screen? I would say no because he was socked when charlie wrote on his hand "not penny's boat"

that would imply he didn't see the screen...also, they showed a side view outside the room and the screen was black like it didn't have a good viewing angle.

He saw the screen. Go back and watch it again when you get a chance.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: FreshPrince

Originally posted by: naldo
Shots of the coffin since it seems to be a topic, One just the coffin by itself, one with the coffin and piano for size comparison.

http://i13.tinypic.com/5y1prq0.jpg

http://i15.tinypic.com/4pyenti.jpg

looks like a full size coffin to me...

it's gotta be ben or locke...the only other 2 people who have special connections to the island and the only ones who could get jack back(plugged) to the island(matrix)

Looking at hteh size of Jack, he wouldn't fit into the casket. 5' tall at most. Maybe it is Walt. I could swear tha hte first letter i nthe newspaper clipping is "The boy" or something along those lines.

Well, I e-mailed those images to peopel at woprk. I'm sure we'll palay with photoshop in order to enhance things.

 

[imported_Imp]

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Like you and many others have already explained....blah, doesn't make sense, and you can say it again and again, it still won't make sense. Charlie only would have chosen to drown if flipping the switch required him to stay in that room and drown. Since he flipped the switch, he should have and could have left alive. Otherwise it's merely self-fulfilling prophecy.

He did choose to give the "not Penny's boat" message to Desmond. However, the way the actor played it out, it did look more like: "I choose to die, but while waiting for it, I will send one last message".

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: FreshPrince

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: FreshPrince

Originally posted by: Kaido

Originally posted by: joshsquall
For people who don't get it:

1. Charlie chose to die, because Desmond told him that was the only way Claire and Aaron would be saved.
2. Jack made a reference to his father because he was either out of it due to drugs and alcohol, or as a joke.
3. Jack's flashbacks were actually flashforwards. He and Kate have done something in the future to get off of the island. Something that they are not proud of and involved lying. This implies that others are still on the island.

#1 makes sense. But he fulfilled his mission (hitting the switch) and thus didn't have to drown. Oh well

like I and many other have already explained, desmond TOLD him that he had to die in order to save claire and her child....he's a true hero and did it out of his love for them.

what didn't make sense is that desmond trying hard to save him? why? did he tell charlie a lie and his vision really didn't involve charlie dying? why did he lie to charlie? is it because he's just tired of saving charlie all the time....all the flashbacks prove that desmond is a quitter...

that shoud be what doesn't make sense to all of us, not why charlie decided to die. that should be very obvious by now.

I'm not entirely convinced Desmond was trying to save Charlie. He saw Penny on the screen. He probably just wanted to save the computer (somehow) so he could communicate with her.

hmm..good point....but did he really see the screen? I would say no because he was socked when charlie wrote on his hand "not penny's boat"

that would imply he didn't see the screen...also, they showed a side view outside the room and the screen was black like it didn't have a good viewing angle.

I was thinking that he saw in the flashback that Charlie had somethign written on his hand, but in the flashback he couldn't read it. So, "Charlie, this time your gonna die". He wanted to get the message, whcih meant that CHarlie had to die.

 

[clamum]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

Originally posted by: Furyline

Originally posted by: Imp

Originally posted by: naldo
Wow, I really suck at taking screencaps. Heres some of the note and the maps though

http://i17.tinypic.com/52bb8me.jpg

http://i16.tinypic.com/63ioysx.jpg

http://i16.tinypic.com/5ycnrpd.jpg

http://i19.tinypic.com/661oaaa.jpg

http://i15.tinypic.com/5xe876f.jpg

http://i17.tinypic.com/52oehs3.jpg

I see ''the body of J..... ...tly".

maybe it is Jacob :Q:Q

Interestign repsonse to the funeral director:
Director: "Firend or family?"
Jack: "Neither"

He expected Kate to show up. Maybe it was Sawyer? And in the future she ended up dating someone else.

My first thought was Sawyer... to me it seemed like a full-sized casket.

 

[FreshPrince]

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: FreshPrince

Originally posted by: Kaido

Originally posted by: joshsquall
For people who don't get it:

1. Charlie chose to die, because Desmond told him that was the only way Claire and Aaron would be saved.
2. Jack made a reference to his father because he was either out of it due to drugs and alcohol, or as a joke.
3. Jack's flashbacks were actually flashforwards. He and Kate have done something in the future to get off of the island. Something that they are not proud of and involved lying. This implies that others are still on the island.

#1 makes sense. But he fulfilled his mission (hitting the switch) and thus didn't have to drown. Oh well

like I and many other have already explained, desmond TOLD him that he had to die in order to save claire and her child....he's a true hero and did it out of his love for them.

what didn't make sense is that desmond trying hard to save him? why? did he tell charlie a lie and his vision really didn't involve charlie dying? why did he lie to charlie? is it because he's just tired of saving charlie all the time....all the flashbacks prove that desmond is a quitter...

that shoud be what doesn't make sense to all of us, not why charlie decided to die. that should be very obvious by now.

Like you and many others have already explained....blah, doesn't make sense, and you can say it again and again, it still won't make sense. Charlie only would have chosen to drown if flipping the switch required him to stay in that room and drown. Since he flipped the switch, he should have and could have left alive. Otherwise it's merely self-fulfilling prophecy.

lol...desmond told him he flips the switch, drowns and dies...what more explaination do you want from us and the show?

he didn't really flip a switch did he? he had to punch in a complicated code...that's why I think desmond's vision was something else and he lied to charlie. but he finally regreted his decision to lie like he always regrets his decisions in the past and that was why he tried to save charlie in the end

 

[techs]

If I recall correctly Desmond told Charlie that he would have to die for Claire and Aaron to be rescued and thats why he locked himself in the room. He died intentionally to save them. Very heroic.
If I recall correctly we never see Jacks fathers body and neither does Jack. He declines the offer to view the body before they load it on the plane. Therefore it is possible that Jacks father did not die. Since he was on an alcoholic bender it could have been that he had his i.d. stolen and the thief died with it on him. Or Jacks father faked his own death. Possibly because with Jack still around as a witness he was going to lose his medical license. When the plane crashes Jacks father sobers up.
So there are many ways that Jacks father could have not died without going into time warp type stuff.
As for Kate, at first I wasn't sure it was her at the end. Her face looked much younger. It wasn't until the "still pulling people out of burning wreckage" line I was sure it was her.
I think next year will find Lock the leader of the Others and Jack firmly in command of the Losties. And they will have to work together to defeat the....Boaties?
Boaties? Have I just named the people on the offshore ship?

 

[thesurge]

Originally posted by: clamum

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

Originally posted by: Furyline

Originally posted by: Imp

Originally posted by: naldo
Wow, I really suck at taking screencaps. Heres some of the note and the maps though

http://i17.tinypic.com/52bb8me.jpg

http://i16.tinypic.com/63ioysx.jpg

http://i16.tinypic.com/5ycnrpd.jpg

http://i19.tinypic.com/661oaaa.jpg

http://i15.tinypic.com/5xe876f.jpg

http://i17.tinypic.com/52oehs3.jpg

I see ''the body of J..... ...tly".

maybe it is Jacob :Q:Q

Interestign repsonse to the funeral director:
Director: "Firend or family?"
Jack: "Neither"

He expected Kate to show up. Maybe it was Sawyer? And in the future she ended up dating someone else.

My first thought was Sawyer... to me it seemed like a full-sized casket.

It was definitely someone named "Jeremy Bentham".

 

[sash1]

Originally posted by: Comdrpopnfresh
I knew as soon as kate got out of the car that the flashes were flashforwards rather than backs

how about this one, they weren't really flash-forwards, but flashes to an alternate dimension. Jack is still a doctor. dude was on an island, supposedly dead, for over three months assuming they get off this island now, and yet he comes back and everything is fine and he goes back to being a doctor? and he refers to his dad as if he is alive. and as i've said before but idiots keep bringing up, he's not hallucinating. OC doesn't make you hallucinate. and no one seems to question it when he brings up his father. no one seems to be aware that he was ever really lost.

and Kate doesn't have freckles.

i need to watch this episode again, because i missed some things. he has a golden ticket that allows him to fly whenever he wants. he's a hero for something other than saving people from the car crash, and i'm hoping i can pick up on it tomorrow when i d/l this episode and rewatch it.

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

Interestign repsonse to the funeral director:
Director: "Firend or family?"
Jack: "Neither"

He expected Kate to show up. Maybe it was Sawyer? And in the future she ended up dating someone else.

i believe it was Ben. It must have been someone on the island, and Ben was the only one i can think of with NO family and friends off the island. also, Ben would fit because he was really the only one who knew the way on/off the island, which is why he wants to commit suicide.

 

[naldo]

How the hell did you guys read that whole name?

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Can someone screen cap or atleast go and check the following.

Was Ecko standing on the corner of the street when Jac kpulled his car up to the funeral home. I doubt it, but I jsut read this as a comment elsewhere on the interweb.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: techs
If I recall correctly Desmond told Charlie that he would have to die for Claire and Aaron to be rescued and thats why he locked himself in the room. He died intentionally to save them. Very heroic.
If I recall correctly we never see Jacks fathers body and neither does Jack. He declines the offer to view the body before they load it on the plane. Therefore it is possible that Jacks father did not die. Since he was on an alcoholic bender it could have been that he had his i.d. stolen and the thief died with it on him. Or Jacks father faked his own death. Possibly because with Jack still around as a witness he was going to lose his medical license. When the plane crashes Jacks father sobers up.
So there are many ways that Jacks father could have not died without going into time warp type stuff.
As for Kate, at first I wasn't sure it was her at the end. Her face looked much younger. It wasn't until the "still pulling people out of burning wreckage" line I was sure it was her.
I think next year will find Lock the leader of the Others and Jack firmly in command of the Losties. And they will have to work together to defeat the....Boaties?
Boaties? Have I just named the people on the offshore ship?

Intresting thought on Jack's dad.

 

[thesurge]

Originally posted by: naldo
How the hell did you guys read that whole name?

Lost is "LOLWEAREINTELLECTUALWITHPHILOSOPHERSNAMES". A person named "Jeremy Bentham" would be perfect.

 

[UTmtnbiker]

I only have one comment that has nothing to do with the story....

Kate coming out of the car at the end....HAWTNESS! Something about the makeup, the shirt, and the look. Very drool worthy.

That is all.

 

[naldo]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Can someone screen cap or atleast go and check the following.

Was Ecko standing on the corner of the street when Jac kpulled his car up to the funeral home. I doubt it, but I jsut read this as a comment elsewhere on the interweb.

http://i11.tinypic.com/4ta07qw.jpg

I'm guessing its the guy in the foreground they might be referring too. I dont think thats ecko though, ecko's alot bigger than that guy.

 

[ColdFusion718]

LOL they ****** dragged this show on so long that Walt has grown and his voice no longer sounds the way. They've been on the island for a few months and Walt looks like he's 14 or 15. Way to go ABC.

 

[Tommy2000GT]

the highlight of this finale was Hurley :thumbsup:

the mass of that little VW Microbus would not be enough to run anyone over. However with Hurley sitting in it, he gave it plenty of mass.

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: ColdFusion718
LOL they ****** dragged this show on so long that Walt has grown and his voice no longer sounds the way. They've been on the island for a few months and Walt looks like he's 14 or 15. Way to go ABC.

I didn't realize that ABC could stop puberty... lawl......

 

[FreshPrince]

Originally posted by: ColdFusion718
LOL they ****** dragged this show on so long that Walt has grown and his voice no longer sounds the way. They've been on the island for a few months and Walt looks like he's 14 or 15. Way to go ABC.

walt aging only proves that he's not a matrix program

 

[Kev]

Originally posted by: ColdFusion718
LOL they ****** dragged this show on so long that Walt has grown and his voice no longer sounds the way. They've been on the island for a few months and Walt looks like he's 14 or 15. Way to go ABC.

YEAH THEY MADE A SHOW LAST 3 WHOLE SEASONS. OH MY GOD WHAT A BUNCH OF DICKHEADS.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: ColdFusion718
LOL they ****** dragged this show on so long that Walt has grown and his voice no longer sounds the way. They've been on the island for a few months and Walt looks like he's 14 or 15. Way to go ABC.

Yes, they should simply close out a multi-million dollar, highly successful series after 2 seasons all due to the growth spurt of a mostly-defunct character.

"OK guys, I'm sorry - you're all out of a job. We're going to stop production because this kid who hasn't been on the set in over a year went through puberty and his voice deepened. Pick up your severance checks at the door. Maybe some of you can be try out for the part of a pedophile on an episode of SVU."

Nice work, Einstein.