"Lost" 6x15 "Across The Sea" Tues. 9pm NO SPOILERS UNTIL AIRED

[blackdogdeek]

seriously.

damn if you don't like the show and hate the writers SOOOO much that you want your 'time' back from watching it, why waste some more time bitching and moaning about it in a thread.... go beat off or something but you've probably already done that too many times today.

zzzzz ITS A TV SHOW. get a life already.

wrong thread

 

[cronos]

wrong thread

Hahah

 

[CoinOperatedBoy]

seriously.

damn if you don't like the show and hate the writers SOOOO much that you want your 'time' back from watching it, why waste some more time bitching and moaning about it in a thread.... go beat off or something but you've probably already done that too many times today.

zzzzz ITS A TV SHOW. get a life already.

Kind of like wasting time complaining about the people complaining? Is this some brilliant meta-troll?

This is a discussion thread about a controversial episode in a controversial season of a controversial show. I don't see a rule anywhere that says you can only post in here if you're fellating the writers for a job well done. Some people don't like what LOST has become. Get over it.

The "It's just a TV show" bullshit is getting pretty old, too. Like, thanks for the newsflash, I now realize that this is a television program and can move on with my life. Simple fact is, viewers have devoted over a hundred hours over six years keeping tabs on LOST. It's been a compelling diversion for a lot of people, and it had a lot of promise that elevated it above a lot of the other crap on TV.

To have the show utterly implode over the last season is a slap in the face to avid fans. No, it's not the end of the world, but it's a disappointment for the people who had high hopes for the narrative arc of these characters we've spent time getting to know. Expect some backlash to come with the disillusionment that, yes, LOST is just a show like any other.

 

[purbeast0]

hold up ...

LOST is just a TV show?

like, are you guys serious? please tell me it isn't so...

(coulda sworn there was a video game as well!)

 

[blurredvision]

A thread that parallels our ATOT battles on dangling threads, and is based on that linked interview:

http://forum.lostpedia.com/outrigger-shootout-season-5-not-t56898.html

Lots of people seem pissed about this completely unexplained season 5 event, lots of others saying to just suck it up because it wasn't important.

I don't even remember this scene. What episode was it from in season 5?

 

[Delita]

I used to come to these threads to get some interesting theory about the show. Now they have become a shitfest of what constitutes good TV and storytelling. Guess I'll stick with Lostpedia.

 

[Delita]

I don't even remember this scene. What episode was it from in season 5?

Don't remember the episode but I think its when the losties were being skipped through time and they ended up on a boat and were being shot and by a group of people with flaming arrow. I guess some people are upset about not knowing who the people shooting the flaming arrows were.

 

[CoinOperatedBoy]

I used to come to these threads to get some interesting theory about the show. Now they have become a shitfest of what constitutes good TV and storytelling. Guess I'll stick with Lostpedia.

I love these people who seem so above this stuff. Lostpedia has the same thing happening over there. Best of luck to you.

If you change your mind, you'd see there are people here still guessing at the ending and you could, you know, contribute instead of just talking down your nose.

 

[CoinOperatedBoy]

Don't remember the episode but I think its when the losties were being skipped through time and they ended up on a boat and were being shot and by a group of people with flaming arrow. I guess some people are upset about not knowing who the people shooting the flaming arrows were.

This is mostly correct, but bullets were flying, not flaming arrows. The Losties found an Ajira water bottle in the boat, which gives a vague idea of the timeframe. It's never explained exactly who was pursuing them or why they were shooting. It also seemed like Juliet might have shot one of them.

It could have even been themselves or other main characters in the other boat, depending on the exact time. Guess we'll never know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkN960cY_kQ#t=3m0s

 

[brblx]

i hereby name coinoperatedboy my official lost spokesman.

 

[destrekor]

Sure, sometimes the the characters might say things that are wrong or that they don't fully understand, as a planned plot contrivance. But why would the writers introduce things that are blatantly later ignored or contradicted? Again, I bring up Walt. In the earlier seasons, the Others were beating it into our heads that he had powers and was important. Why would they think that? Why would they lie about it? How would that have been in service to the story in any way if it was completely false or unimportant in the "grand scheme of things"?

There are lots of other examples of unexplained mysteries or plot holes that are clearly not just a matter of an uninformed character's dialogue.

I keep seeing Walt brought up as an issue that people, seemingly above everything else, demand to see explained.

The problem, something the writers already noted, is that at one point they were considering just how they might incorporate Walt back into the story, considering the actor has aged significantly.
That's the problem with child actors for a TV series that spans 6 years of real time but on the show is less than a year.

They could have another character try and explain him, but it would be a little awkward having his character explained as if important, and his character is nowhere to be found.
To incorporate him with the same actor, they'd have to pull some major plot trickery and that in of itself would likely alienate viewers all the same.

They kind of wrote themselves into a corner with that one.
But not every special character is going to get explanations

Think it's likely we will ever find out why Miles has the "power" he has? I doubt it. We might get an explanation for Hurley considering the dead people thing seems almost the same as the MiB situation.

Some mysteries are better served to just be the way it is. Others deserve attention. Especially if that specialness is actively engaged for the forward progression of critical scenarios. Say, take Desmond for example. If they don't explain Desmond, you'll see me get upset. Considering his specialness, what it is, is seemingly going to be critical for the success of someone... that's kind of important. Walt... well.. while Walt kind of act as a plot device for awhile, he isn't there anymore, and doesn't appear to be necessary for the Losties.

Hell, they could have done something to incorporate Walt as a package abducted by Widmore and quickly dispersed any issues with using the same actor.

 

[KeithTalent]

test

 

[Kev]

A thread that parallels our ATOT battles on dangling threads, and is based on that linked interview:

http://forum.lostpedia.com/outrigger-shootout-season-5-not-t56898.html

Lots of people seem pissed about this completely unexplained season 5 event, lots of others saying to just suck it up because it wasn't important.

What is the outrigger shootout, this doesn't ring a bell, all google gives me is threads complaining about it.

 

[CoinOperatedBoy]

Say, take Desmond for example. If they don't explain Desmond, you'll see me get upset. Considering his specialness, what it is, is seemingly going to be critical for the success of someone... that's kind of important. Walt... well.. while Walt kind of act as a plot device for awhile, he isn't there anymore, and doesn't appear to be necessary for the Losties.

Exactly. But that's the problem: it was a complete bait and switch. Walt was a plot device, now he is not. So why introduce his "specialness" in the first place? Why get people interested and theorizing about it if it was meaningless? The viewers upset by his complete absence feel the same way as you say you would if Desmond just disappeared off the show, we just apparently have a longer attention span than you.

 

[Fingolfin269]

I love these people who seem so above this stuff. Lostpedia has the same thing happening over there. Best of luck to you.

If you change your mind, you'd see there are people here still guessing at the ending and you could, you know, contribute instead of just talking down your nose.

Problem is it's tough to have a discussion about the actual episode in between all of the bitching anout how shitty the show has become, 'oh woe is me I've spent over 100 hours on this show'. No one cares go write a blog!

I'm definitely making a split thread next week for non-specific lost series bitching.

 

[KeithTalent]

Kind of like wasting time complaining about the people complaining? Is this some brilliant meta-troll?

This is a discussion thread about a controversial episode in a controversial season of a controversial show. I don't see a rule anywhere that says you can only post in here if you're fellating the writers for a job well done. Some people don't like what LOST has become. Get over it.

The "It's just a TV show" bullshit is getting pretty old, too. Like, thanks for the newsflash, I now realize that this is a television program and can move on with my life. Simple fact is, viewers have devoted over a hundred hours over six years keeping tabs on LOST. It's been a compelling diversion for a lot of people, and it had a lot of promise that elevated it above a lot of the other crap on TV.

To have the show utterly implode over the last season is a slap in the face to avid fans. No, it's not the end of the world, but it's a disappointment for the people who had high hopes for the narrative arc of these characters we've spent time getting to know. Expect some backlash to come with the disillusionment that, yes, LOST is just a show like any other.

I just hold TV shows to a different standard than, say, a film. Since a film is usually taken from one cohesive script, all written (generally) in a big piece and done in 2 hours, I expect it to stay together and follow something through from beginning to end. The serialized nature of TV programming, over a much longer period, and with the likelihood of many changes over that time (contracts, cancellation, cast and crew), is more apt to idiosyncrasies and is much for fallible when put under a microscope, particularly when it is something so ambitious as this and is somewhat directed towards the nerd crowd, who are much more likely to poke holes in these types of things.

Neither side is wrong here, it's just a different way of looking at the styles of programming I guess.

Just my $0.4815162342 of course.

KT

 

[Cheesemoo]

next week could have 2 separate lost threads?

One where we talk about the episode and theories about what the episode means, etc.

And

one where disappointed people vent and non-disappointed people try to convince them they shouldn't be

!smartest idea on atot currently!

 

[Kev]

I used to come to these threads to get some interesting theory about the show. Now they have become a shitfest of what constitutes good TV and storytelling. Guess I'll stick with Lostpedia.

Because we've realized there's no point in theorizing anymore. If the actual writers aren't going to put any thought into the theories, then why should we?

 

[Kev]

Problem is it's tough to have a discussion about the actual episode in between all of the bitching anout how shitty the show has become, 'oh woe is me I've spent over 100 hours on this show'. No one cares go write a blog!

I'm definitely making a split thread next week for non-specific lost series bitching.

I will make it a point to bitch in that thread

 

[blurredvision]

With the whole Walt thing, I don't really care if they explain him or not. It would be nice, but I'm not going to get mad when they don't.

For me, I feel like there have been too many people labeled as "special" in this show. It makes me think that in the finale, it will be told why everyone is special and it will be the same thing for all of them.

On lostpedia, here's where the words "special" have been spoken:

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Regularly_spoken_phrases/O-U#.22Special.22

Saying people are "special" has been a series staple since the beginning, I think they're going to tell us why.

 

[purbeast0]

i do find it interesting though that in this past episode, Jacob is actually the one who is set out to be the bad guy.

it is like he is living in some fantasy land and doesn't want to believe anything other than what his mother has told him and he's just eating it up, and if anyone says elsewise he rages.

kind of like the people in this thread who are getting all butt hurt over some people not nut hugging the way LOST is playing out.

 

[destrekor]

With the whole Walt thing, I don't really care if they explain him or not. It would be nice, but I'm not going to get mad when they don't.

For me, I feel like there have been too many people labeled as "special" in this show. It makes me think that in the finale, it will be told why everyone is special and it will be the same thing for all of them.

On lostpedia, here's where the words "special" have been spoken:

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Regularly_spoken_phrases/O-U#.22Special.22

Saying people are "special" has been a series staple since the beginning, I think they're going to tell us why.

All the special people are on the island because the island is special.


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[cronos]

i hereby name coinoperatedboy my official lost spokesman.

Thank God.

 

[Beev]

I never gave a shit about Walt or Michael. Terrible characters from a poor story arc. Same for Boone and Shannon (though I guess Shannon's hotness was a bonus) They can leave them unmentioned from here on and I will be happier than if they bring them up.

 

[blackdogdeek]

the only problem i have with walt's special-ness is that they brought him back in his more grown-up form when locke went back to the world to gather the losties to return to the island. if the writers were having issues contending with pubescent walt why bring him back at all?

in case you're wondering, it's the scene where walt tells locke that he had a dream where there were a bunch of people surrounding locke and they wanted to kill him.