LOST Season 6, Episodes 1&2 La X Airs: Tues. 2/2/2010 NO SPOILERS

[fatpat268]

I have a feeling these are two concurrent but separate timelines in that Jack exists both in 2004 and 2007 in different forms and that they're going to meet somehow in the future.

Sounds crazy, but hell, this is Lost.

 

[coloumb]

umm, this episode sucked. didn't reveal anything except the smoke monster is fake locke. a million more crazy ass questions.

and what 3 timelines are there? I only see 2...

That's what the show has been all about - TONS of questions, very few answers = speculate as to what the rest of the answers are or people manage to find the answers hidden in something we normally wouldn't see unless we slowed down the video. Gives everyone something to do for a week around the office/net until the next episode airs.

I really do hope they at least end the show with an END and answer most of the major plot questions along the way during this season.

 

[13Gigatons]

I've given up trying to figure out what the writers are trying to get too. I'm sure it will all be a let down at the end.

 

[UNCjigga]

Spoiler

Wait--can anyone answer what Desmond was doing on Oceanic 815?? He was never on Flight 815 in the original timeline, was he?

 

[sandorski]

I've given up trying to figure out what the writers are trying to get too. I'm sure it will all be a let down at the end.

***Spoiler***
Final Episode
Jack performs surgery on J Locke and as usual Jack gets too attached to his Patient

Closing Scene
Jack and Locke move towards each other for a passionate First Kiss....Camera fades to black before their lips touch

The meaning of Lost: A tale of the long journey to full acceptance of whom one is.

 

[Savarak]

Spoiler

No Mr. Eko or that Michelle Rodriguez character or almost all of the "tailies" besides Bernard... darn

 

[Udgnim]

Spoiler

Wait--can anyone answer what Desmond was doing on Oceanic 815?? He was never on Flight 815 in the original timeline, was he?

Spoiler

no island so everybody's future plays out a little different post-bomb timeline

 

[guyver01]

I have a feeling these are two concurrent but separate timelines in that Jack exists both in 2004 and 2007 in different forms and that they're going to meet somehow in the future.

Sounds crazy, but hell, this is Lost.

Wait until you find out that, in reality, the bomb fractured the space/time continuium creating not 1, not 2, but TEN separate timelines... hence why the title was LA X (note the space... it's LA 10) Jack/Locke/Saiyid/Kate are all part of a futuristic Time-Continuium protection agency... and this is where they decide to form up.

The last episode will reveal the full show's title.. LOST in time.

 

[Patranus]

Spoiler

Fallen Angels - Watch the movie Dogma.

I am almost willing to put money on it.

 

[Printer Bandit]

series finale is on May 23 (sunday night). confirmed by cuse & lindelof on jimmy kimmel.

 

[techs]

Clearly the healing spring is the "Fountain of Youth", right?

And here's a theory that will blow your mind:

Spoiler

What Jacob and the MIB were talking about the first time we saw them, was really the alternate realities. Perhaps the events in 2004/2007 and 1977 keep happening over and over again? Which is why Jacob says it only has to end once. And the MIB is talking about all the violence that happens again and again. Perhaps Jacob is waiting for a different outcome to end the cycle?
Interestingly the title for last nights show is not LaX but La X. In spanish, or French too, I believe that could mean "the" "x" as in the variable.

 

[rockyct]

Clearly the healing spring is the "Fountain of Youth", right?

And here's a theory that will blow your mind:

Spoiler

What Jacob and the MIB were talking about the first time we saw them, was really the alternate realities. Perhaps the events in 2004/2007 and 1977 keep happening over and over again? Which is why Jacob says it only has to end once. And the MIB is talking about all the violence that happens again and again. Perhaps Jacob is waiting for a different outcome to end the cycle?
Interestingly the title for last nights show is not LaX but La X. In spanish, or French too, I believe that could mean the "x" as in the variable.

Here are some thoughts I have, some about your theory, most not. Sorry for the massive wall of spoiler text:

Spoiler

The two guys (Egyptian gods?) apparently have been trapped there a very long time and have to use visitors to free them. It was alluded to them being trapped in the season 5 finale, but MiB confirmed that he just wants to go home. I think the cycle they are talking about are the different groups of people who come to the island. "They come, fight, they destroy, they corrupt. It always ends the same." I think once a group is determined to be "good," maybe by using pureness and free will, the cycle is broken.

Although, I can see the whole time from the Black Rock arriving to the Losties messing with the bomb and stuff as being a cycle though. The issue I have with that is that Jacob seems surprised when Ben comes to kill him. If he knew that happened, you would think he'd try to be a little nicer to Ben in the next cycle. However, Jacob did know that Sayid was going to be dying and gave Hugo the guitar. Although, Sayid was dying in 1977, so I guess he knew Sayid would be in dying 2007 if the bomb went off. Gahhhh, such a mind bending show.

I am thinking that the 2004 no-crash time line as the "end" though. Everyone gets off the island and the island is underwater and it's purpose is over. As a side note, Hugo is lucky in the new 2004 time line. Everyone goes about their lives as if the island had little influence. I think this is the result of the winning of free-will over destiny.

It seems like they are trying to make Jacob the more "pure", idealistic deity and MiB the cynical, corrupt deity. I'm not sure I'm buying it though because Jacob seems to be just as much as a conniving bitch as MiB. It is pretty clear that Jacob and the MiB cannot directly get visitors to do anything and cannot get them to do anything in a physical way. Jacob (as Christian) couldn't even help Locke up in the last season when he fell in the well.

The free will vs. destiny theme is really the overarching theme in the show though. Jacob = free will, MiB = destiny, Jack = free will, Locke = destiny, classic Daniel Faraday time theory = destiny, new Faraday theory = free will, maybe even new 2004 time line = free will, current 2007 not finished time line = both. It makes sense that MiB is in Locke's body because both seem to believe in destiny the most in the show.

The bomb itself was the battle of free will vs. destiny. Juliet's love for Sawyer made her trigger the bomb and she used 100% of her will to do that. She does seem to be one of the "purer" characters on the show. Her career was helping make life; she stays on the island because of her sister; she blows up the bomb because she loves Sawyer and never wants him to even meet her and be stuck on the island. She's the least selfish in the bunch and ultimately sacrificed herself for Sawyer and others.

BTW, the temple people seem to be the "Natives." The whisper voices were used for the first time in a while when they showed up. They also are pro-Jacob like the "Others" (Dharma traitors) are.

 

[WraithETC]

Heres what I think...

Spoiler

There is only one timeline, but everytime the bomb goes off some randomization occurs on how the original group gets onto to the island.

The group we see in the present are the people you see in the new no crash situation. That is if you ask them how they got onto to the island they will tell you what is happening in the new no crash scenes.

The original group from the crash are dead and the skeleton's that are found on the island are of them. Subsequently all skeletons found are from previous groups.

Everything repeats because the same crucial decisions are made by the group everytime. Everytime it happens however some vague level of the experiences are retained. Jack recognizes Desmond even though he has never met him before. Jacob says everytime before it ends is just progress.

Jacob believes that in one instance that the group will make the right decisions and the cycle will come to an end. The Smoke monster believes that will never occur and is sick of the island and wishes to leave.

 

[Homerboy]

May I just say I love this show, and love reading the internet (and ATOT forum threads) the day after it airs.

It will be a sad day when it ends.

 

[guyver01]

Interestingly the title for last nights show is not LaX but La X. In spanish, or French too, I believe that could mean "the" "x" as in the variable.

Close.

The "X" in 'LA X' stands for an alternate reality. It's commonly used in comic books, Marvel Comics have an alternate history/timeline called "Earth X".

 

[JTsyo]

Schrödinger's Losties?

First there was 2 groups, the ones in the present and the rest in the 70s. After the bomb goes off the ones from the 70s appear in the present, so the 70s storyline ends. The bomb doesn't seem to have changed anything for the present though since the hatch was built and blown up by Desmond.
We also have the alternate timeline in which the changes have occurred since the 70s.
-island underwater
-differences in the passengers of flight 815
-flight doesn't crash

What we also have to keep in mind is that these timelines aren't concurrent. The present is 3 years ahead of the non-crash timeline.

Jacob knows that the time will come when the MIB will make his move. He is setting up a grand strategy of his own. He seems to have 4 groups in play (Losties, Others, Ilana's group and the temple group). The group in the temple knows when Jacob dies, MIB will be coming for them (or maybe something in the temple). They seem prepared for this situation.

One point of curiosity for me was if the pool was linked to Jacob. The temple group was surprised when the pool wasn't clear. I believe the Japanese guy was testing the healing properties of the pool by cutting his hand. I think he was expecting his hand to be healed. With Jacob dead the pool might be losing its powers.

 

[Miklebud]

One point of curiosity for me was if the pool was linked to Jacob. The temple group was surprised when the pool wasn't clear. I believe the Japanese guy was testing the healing properties of the pool by cutting his hand. I think he was expecting his hand to be healed. With Jacob dead the pool might be losing its powers.

Exactly what I was thinking.

Also, if this is the same pool that young Ben Lianus was healed in, do the same principles apply to Sayid? Meaning, will Sayid be 'different'? Like Ben lost his innocence.

 

[purbeast0]

Wait until you find out that, in reality, the bomb fractured the space/time continuium creating not 1, not 2, but TEN separate timelines... hence why the title was LA X (note the space... it's LA 10) Jack/Locke/Saiyid/Kate are all part of a futuristic Time-Continuium protection agency... and this is where they decide to form up.

The last episode will reveal the full show's title.. LOST in time.

i don't think it refers to that, i think it refers to the 10 people who were on the plane, kind of like the "oceanic 6".

Jack
Desmond
Kate
Hurley
Bernard
Rose
Sawyer
Boone
Locke
Sayid

We did see Claire as well, but she was not on the actual plane or in the airport.

 

[rcpratt]

Exactly what I was thinking.

Also, if this is the same pool that young Ben Lianus was healed in, do the same principles apply to Sayid? Meaning, will Sayid be 'different'? Like Ben lost his innocence.

Sayid has to be "possessed" now, right? The fact that the spring didn't heal him as usual and that the other Others were surprised seems to imply that he was actually dead. And Jacob sent them to the spring, so...

 

[Caesar]

Ok so I have been thinking and I am trying to put all the things together. Here is my take:

The bomb worked. We know that you can't really change the past. However, if you do change the past (find a way somehow) then the present still needs to exist (otherwise you can't go back in time to change the past) and then a new parallel world is formed where the present comes from the changed past. So we now have two parallel worlds in lost:

World 1: All the people are on the island, their flight crashed on the island 3 years ago and everything happened just the way we saw through all these episodes

World 2: The bomb blew up the island, it sank under water and the flight never crashed. Because there was no island, Desmond never got stuck on the island and that is why he was on the flight travelling between Sydney-LA

Now there are a few things:

1) Temple people: could they be there because of the parallel world. In that case though we have two timelines clashing. This can't happen (or shouldn't happen).
2) Jacob said that it only has to end once, anything before that is just progress. This suggests that they are in some kind of a loop. People come on the island they "fight, destroy and corrupt" but if the right people come then they can end this. Now in the end the black guy/monster said that he wants to go home. This could be mean that the "end" Jacob is referring to is them "Jacob and guy in black" going home (wherever it is). However, I am not sure why the "end" has to include Jacob's death.

 

[mzkhadir]

Titles for whole of season 6:

Alleged titles for the first 12 hours of season six:

6.1 LA X Part One
6.2 LA X Part Two
6.3 What Kate Does
6.4 The Substitute
6.5 Lighthouse
6.6 Sundown
6.7 Dr. Linus
6.8 Recon
6.9 Ab Aeterno
6.10 The Package
6.11 Happily Ever After
6.12 Everybody Loves Hugo

 

[techs]

i don't think it refers to that, i think it refers to the 10 people who were on the plane, kind of like the "oceanic 6".

Jack
Desmond
Kate
Hurley
Bernard
Rose
Sawyer
Boone
Locke
Sayid

We did see Claire as well, but she was not on the actual plane or in the airport.

Hmmm. We can assume, can't we, that the other original Losties are on the plane as well, putting the number far higher?
Or in the new timeline only those 10 will be on the plane?

 

[cutenfit]

I have never watched lost. I'm kinda behind the TV curve...I recently finished the entire series of Battlestar (the newest one) and it was awesome. I'm looking to get into a new series...I've heard that lost sometimes goes on and on without resolving things...is this true or not? I really like Fringe and Misfits, do you think I will enjoy Lost? Sorry, if this is kinda off topic.

 

[techs]

I have never watched lost. I'm kinda behind the TV curve...I recently finished the entire series of Battlestar (the newest one) and it was awesome. I'm looking to get into a new series...I've heard that lost sometimes goes on and on without resolving things...is this true or not? I really like Fringe and Misfits, do you think I will enjoy Lost? Sorry, if this is kinda off topic.

You're gonna love Lost. Just watch the first 2-3 epi's and you'll be hooked.

 

[destrekor]

I have never watched lost. I'm kinda behind the TV curve...I recently finished the entire series of Battlestar (the newest one) and it was awesome. I'm looking to get into a new series...I've heard that lost sometimes goes on and on without resolving things...is this true or not? I really like Fringe and Misfits, do you think I will enjoy Lost? Sorry, if this is kinda off topic.

Like techs said, based on what you've said, I can basically guarantee you will be as hooked to Lost as I am. But you don't have to put up with the agonizing wait between seasons, or even from week to week, of course depending on your viewing schedule.

See what I did there? I can basically say with confidence you're going to just keep watching the whole series.

Pick up Season 1, and the pilot itself will have you going "alright, I have the time.... next episode!" and that will just keep going until, well, you end up not having any more time to devote to Lost on that particular day.

Season 3, while still enjoyable in its own right, pales in comparison to the rest of the series. But you'll still find yourself anxious for more; the rest of the series just sets such a high bar it's impossible for a season that was essentially the writers dragging their feet to actually match the other seasons.
Season 4 picks things up, because immediately prior to season 4 they got what they wanted: a series end date. Season 3 was essentially a season of stalling, and season 4 cured that. Season 5 picked up the intensity and pace.

Overall, the entire series is just amazing. I am glad they are wrapping it up though, the show deserves true conclusion, as determined by the writers and not network execs. I'll very much miss this show, but at least I'll have had 6 years of network television's absolutely finest show ever created.