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CoinOperatedBoy

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the spiritual mumbo jumbo didn't take away from anything that has happened previously. it wasn't used to explain anything, so I don't agree with the cop out argument some people make. the ending didn't change anything.

It "took away" from the whole faith vs. reason concept that was the crux of the latter portion of the show. It told us straight up: faith wins! Reason fails. Ignore everything and just believe that this result is all that matters and was meant to be. Jack's acceptance is supposed to happen at the same time as the audience's. All along, he was our proxy, questioning things and pursuing answers. Then he gave up on that and the writers clearly hoped we would, too.


I think you're trying to find anything that isn't important to the end of the show and use that as an excuse to say the show's ending sucked.

On the contrary, I would very much prefer to believe that the ending was coherent and awesome. I don't like feeling like an asshole because I watched a show for six years that ended up sucking ass. If I could convince myself otherwise, I would.


I really don't get the walt stuff. I can't recall any scenes in the show that made it seem like walt was important. he was special and a mystery, but never a big part of the show. If there are scenes that prove otherwise, please let me know, but don't just give me examples of his "powers"

if the fertility issue is your next biggest gripe, I don't know what to tell you. The others took children/babies/pregnant women. That was the mystery, why did they do it. We find out that womem have fertility problems on the island. There, thats your answer. What caused it? The incident. Maybe it wasn't important in the entire scheme of things, but not every plot line can be. There were plenty of bad episodes in LOST, but that doesn't take away from the overall, at least for me, and especially doesn't hurt the ending. It all stands alone IMO.

I think I gave good reasons for Walt's importance, and his powers are one of them. They go beyond what almost any of the other "special" people can do, to the point where it seemed he could alter reality itself with a thought. The Others made it clear that he was crucial to their plans, and his abduction was the driving force of a whole season on the show. Every other scene he was in confirmed this. Then poof, he's done. Too scary, you can leave.

As I said more than once, the fertility stuff was not my "next biggest gripe," it's only one other dangling thread I thought I'd bring up, as it was another big deal in the first two seasons, the resolution of which never came. You can say that these things don't impact the ending, but to me they speak to the overall quality of the series. Big arcs straight up disappeared, and I was hoping to see them addressed in the final season, but they were not.

Things really started to unravel in season 5, I think, although season 4 took some damage from the writer's strike. Season 6 spun out of control and the writers had no other option but to write themselves a MacGuffin.
 

nageov3t

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Michael Emerson confirmed in an interview today that a 20 minute epilogue was cut from the finale which did include scenes with Walt, and that it will be on the Season 6 dvd.

looking forward to seeing the scenes for free on youtube!
 

hoyaguru

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It’s been 3 days since the Lost finale, I've read a ton of people's arguments on this and other forums, and I think I can see why there is such a disagreement between the finale “lovers” and the “haters”. I don’t think this reason is obvious to most of the people who are ranting from one side or the other. I am in the middle of writing an article for a website about this, and would like to post my thoughts here to get some feedback. The title of the article is, tentatively, “Never Discuss Religion, Politics, or the Lost Finale”.

Fist let me start off by saying (for those of you who haven’t read every post in this forum and haven’t seen my earlier rants) that I am a hater. To me, the ending of Lost was one of the worst finales to any show that I’ve ever seen, and I felt that I had wasted 6 years of my life watching it. While it was ongoing, it was one of my favorite shows ever, I thought the characters were amazingly well written, and the whole mystery of the Island was more interesting than just about any book, movie, or television show I’d ever experienced. After the shock of the ending wore off, I came out on the internet to see what people were saying, and I was shocked to see post after post from people who absolutely loved the ending. To me, and I’m guessing most of the other haters out there, this just did not compute. When asked why they liked the ending, for the most part the lovers said that Lost was about the characters, not the Island, and the way the characters got together at the end was beautiful. The questions about the Island didn’t matter one bit. Well, us haters didn’t like that explanation at all, and the ranting started (and after 3 days is still going strong). Each side tried to sway the other side to their point of view, to no avail; I don’t think I’ve seen one conversation where a hater was changed over to a lover, or vice versa. This is why the title of my article references the old adage “Never discuss religion or politics”. Anyway, here’s part of the article, I’d welcome some (relevant) critiques.

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It took me a couple of days to actually realize just WHY I hated the finale as much as I did. My knee jerk reaction was to automatically generalize the lovers as people who just didn’t understand the point of the show; they just weren’t smart enough to keep up with everything, so they were happy with the sob-fest of the last ten minutes. There has never been a show like Lost, with so much going on week after week, year after year. With a normal show, it’s easy to forget a couple of things that happened a couple of years back. With Lost, and the myriad of information thrown at the viewer every week, unless the viewer had a Rainman-esque memory, there was no way a normal person could possibly retain every twist and turn throughout the show. Yet there were lovers posting the same generalization about the haters, that they were not intelligent enough to understand the ending, and that they just didn’t “get it”. Viewers from each side of the fence seemed to have the same problem understanding why the other side was being so obtuse, and neither side was having any success making converts.

So I decided to stop trying to convert the lovers into haters, and to analyze just exactly what it was that I hated so much. It seemed easy, I wanted answers. First and foremost, what was the Island? What was the BIG SECRET behind it all, why did all of these weird things happen there? From there, I could go down the list, from big questions like why were the numbers important, to little questions like why did that bird say “Hurly” when it flew overhead. Lost was a cultural phenomenon because of these questions, not because of the characters. When everyone gathered around the water cooler the day after a show, they generally weren’t discussing how this character and that character got along, they were discussing sonic fences and time travel, polar bears and Jacob’s cabin. After 6 years of these discussions, to say that none of it mattered seemed to many of us to be incomprehensible. And then I realized what all of us haters were missing, and it came down to one little thing, something that I like to call the “Ah ha” moment. What is the “Ah ha” moment? Well, although I’ve seen this done poorly over the last couple of days (and mainly with Star Wars, for some reason), I think I have the perfect analogy to finally explain to the lovers exactly why I, and I think a lot of other haters, are haters. And it all comes down to The Matrix and the “Ah ha” moment.

Think back to the first time you saw "The Matrix". For about an hour, you watched a man who called himself Neo and a bunch of extraordinary characters do things that made absolutely no sense, and there was nothing that you could think of that could explain what was going on. Starting with Trinity running up a wall, beating the hell out of some cops, and disappearing in a phone booth just as a truck hits it. Then Neo gets a phone call, and the person on the other end of the line knows things that there should be no way for him to know. Things start getting stranger, Neo is taken in by the Agents and it looks like a normal interrogation, and the next thing you know, Neo's mouth seals shut and the Agent puts a bug in his stomach. More and more weird stuff keeps happening, things are making less and less sense, and then Morpheus gives Neo a pill, Neo touches a mirror, the mirror engulfs him....and suddenly, within a few minutes, all the weird, crazy stuff that was going on previously makes perfect sense. Remember the feeling you got when it hit you, when all of that craziness crystallized into perfect sense, and you smiled and nodded your head, maybe looked at your date and both of you said, “Wow” at the same time? OK, maybe it wasn’t that profound for you, but THAT was a perfect “Ah ha” moment. Those 4 or 5 minutes that started out looking like just more insanity completely changed your perspective of everything that happened before in the movie, and nothing more was needed to explain all of the incredible insanity that came after that moment in the movie, and for two more movies.

Now, imagine this. You are watching the same movie, but that 4 or 5 minute scene is not there, and the viewer never gets the information needed to understand what is going on. Let’s make it worse, and delete any other scenes that explain anything about the Matrix. Things just keep getting stranger, suddenly Neo is dodging bullets and fighting with unbelievable Kung Fu. Agents get killed and suddenly come back to life in someone else's body. Neo jumps into one of the Agent’s bodies and it explodes! And in the last scene of the movie, Neo makes a phone call (to whom, we don’t know), tells that someone that he’s going to let everyone know what’s going on, and flies away. THE END! The audience never finds out why any of the incredible stuff that took place happened, they don’t know who is behind it all, but they know there are going to be two more movies. Imagine all of the forums created with guesses as to what the answers are. Now imagine that the second movie comes out, and there are still no answers, and then the third movie comes out, and ends without telling the audience anything about the matrix. Do you think that the same people who hated the finale of Lost would hate The Matrix just as much? Sure, there would be those who loved the movies for the incredible special effects, and I’m guessing there would be those who thought it was all about the characters, and the “matrix” just didn’t matter. But it just wouldn’t be the same. Without that little “Ah ha” moment, you have, well, you have Lost. Except instead of it being three movies, it was six years of questions, over a hundred hours of viewing without that “Ah ha” moment to let the viewer in on the secret.

Thinking this theory through, I realized that with Lost, there was really no way for the writers to successfully create that “Ah ha” moment in the finale. Going back to The Matrix, if the writers had tried to explain everything at the last few minutes of the third movie, I’m sure that there would be some viewers that appreciated it, but I think a majority of viewers would just roll their eyes and think it was something the writers thought up at the last minute to explain everything. The Lost “Ah ha” moment should have been revealed, in my opinion, after the second season cliffhanger, on the first show of the third season. But, it turned out that the Lost writers never even HAD an “Ah ha” moment, which leads me to the secondary reason for the haters to hate. To put it bluntly, we were duped. The viewer was the butt of a horribly long practical joke. And although most of us can take a joke at our own expense, to realize that this particular joke required so much of our own participation, so much of our time and thought, our dedication to be there for an hour every Tuesday night, year after year, that when we realized that we had egg on our faces, for a lot of us it was just too much to take. Had the writers actually come up with an ending that did explain everything, whether it was all a dream, or some scientific explanation, or some mythical/religious explanation, there would of course be plenty of lovers and haters out there, but at least we would have known the answers. We would know WHAT we were mad about. To realize that the writers were just making things up week after week, year after year, with no plans to ever give an explanation insulted the audience’s intelligence, and our trust. Throughout the years, I would be discussing the show with a friend after it was over, and think to myself that the writers were doing an incredible job, that there was no way I could ever do something like that. It turned out that I COULD have done just as good of a job. Definitely not with the character development, but the “mysteries” of the Island turned out to be just anything the writers thought up off the top of their heads, knowing that they would never have to explain anything. Sometimes they would think of a way to fit something together here and there, like the Man in Black and his mother being the skeletons that Jack and Kate found in the cave at the beginning of the series. But it seems to me that these revelations were just happenstance, something that one of the writers realized they could make look like it was all part of some great master plan from the beginning.

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Well, that’s where I’m at with that part of the article. I’d love to hear something similar from the finale lovers, something that would explain to the haters exactly WHY the way the show ended didn’t drive you guys up the wall the way it did us haters. I’m not looking to change anybody’s mind, but hopefully I’ve given the lovers out there a way for them to understand where the haters are coming from, at least the ones who agree with my perspective.

One of the jabs at the haters that I keep hearing from the lovers out there is that, “you want to be spoon fed all of the answers”. This is inaccurate, as shown in the Matrix example, where one 4 or 5 minute scene is enough information to explain everything the viewer needs to know for three full movies. Another view from the lovers that really gets to me is “the show was about the characters, the Island didn’t matter”. I think I speak for most of the haters out there when I say that this is such nonsense that it hardly seems like I should have to explain WHY it is nonsense. I have several paragraphs about this in the article, if I ever get it finished I’ll post the URL for it, if anyone is interested.

Sorry for the super long post, I know how much a lot of you hate this much writing in a forum, I hope some of you made it through.
 

UberNeuman

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Funny you would choose 'The Matrix' as an example when all of the interest about it dissipated when they told the viewer directly everything in the following films...

If the first Matrix was the only film in that series it would stand as a classic film - now it's tainted.....
 
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TheVrolok

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I finally got around to watching the finale and I have to put myself in the lovers camp. Did the show NOT wrap up A LOT of the plot? Absolutely.. but really, the show is about characters/emotion more so than it's about plot. A lot of the shit that happened just seemed like zany plot devices/mechanisms to further character development. Do I wish I had some of the answers to the unanswered question? Yeah, but I still enjoyed the show quite a bit.
 

MikeyLSU

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hoya, I think there is a lot to why some hated it and some liked it.

I will not go as far to say that answers were not needed, but I got over the fact that they would not be answered by mid season 6. It was a disappointment knowing I would not find out all the details I wanted to know, but I could still enjoy the show without them.

Now, as soon as the finale ended, I was happy with it, but I turned to my wife and said some people are going to hate this. Why? Because as you say in your title, never talk religion. it is too dividing a subject. One thing I do wish is if instead of the sideways purgatory world, they used the extra time all season to close some of the loose ends. I didn't think the afterlife was needed. The only thing it added was a way to bring the characters back(which was nice), but overall, I think the story stood pretty well on its own.

Also, in the grand scheme of things, I think enough was answered for the show to not be ruined. You keep saying what is the island(I think it was you) but that is answered as clearly as they can, it is a place that stops evil from entering the rest of the world(bottle in cork).

Was it perfect? nope. But I did enjoy the past 6 years of watching the show.
 

slayer202

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It "took away" from the whole faith vs. reason concept that was the crux of the latter portion of the show. It told us straight up: faith wins! Reason fails. Ignore everything and just believe that this result is all that matters and was meant to be. Jack's acceptance is supposed to happen at the same time as the audience's. All along, he was our proxy, questioning things and pursuing answers. Then he gave up on that and the writers clearly hoped we would, too.




On the contrary, I would very much prefer to believe that the ending was coherent and awesome. I don't like feeling like an asshole because I watched a show for six years that ended up sucking ass. If I could convince myself otherwise, I would.




I think I gave good reasons for Walt's importance, and his powers are one of them. They go beyond what almost any of the other "special" people can do, to the point where it seemed he could alter reality itself with a thought. The Others made it clear that he was crucial to their plans, and his abduction was the driving force of a whole season on the show. Every other scene he was in confirmed this. Then poof, he's done. Too scary, you can leave.

As I said more than once, the fertility stuff was not my "next biggest gripe," it's only one other dangling thread I thought I'd bring up, as it was another big deal in the first two seasons, the resolution of which never came. You can say that these things don't impact the ending, but to me they speak to the overall quality of the series. Big arcs straight up disappeared, and I was hoping to see them addressed in the final season, but they were not.

Things really started to unravel in season 5, I think, although season 4 took some damage from the writer's strike. Season 6 spun out of control and the writers had no other option but to write themselves a MacGuffin.

ok, so you want answers, but not the answer of reason vs. faith? It was pretty fucking obvious that faith was a big part of the show, and everything wasn't a coincidence. and when you are on the island for however many years, time travel and all, reason and faith begin to turn into the same thing. MiB is bad and must be stopped. just because jack gained faith doesn't mean he abandoned reason.

again, walt was never important, and you haven't given me any proof otherwise.

"The Others made it clear that he was crucial to their plans, and his abduction was the driving force of a whole season on the show. Every other scene he was in confirmed this."

huh? what show were you watching? they never even implied that walt was part of any plan, rather they were intrigued and wanted to study him, which they did, and eventually decided they didn't want anything to do with him. there were almost no scenes regarding the others and walt, very few. the driving force you are speaking of is michael and the other losties trying to get walt back. getting back one of their own. not because he was important...
 

guyver01

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walt was never important, and you haven't given me any proof otherwise.

I've read theories that state that Desmond's "role & significance" was what Walt would have been.

If Walt's specialness stemmed from his ability to control/withstand electromagnetism, then the "tests" that the others conducted on him, the bird falling out of the sky (assuming it was navigating using magnetism), and Walt's ability to direct a metal knife to a target, would all be substantiated. It is possible that Desmond's character was adjusted due to [Walt's Actor's] growth and Desmond's own fanbase.
 

foghorn67

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For those who can stand more walls of text, I offer more crap. Let me know what you think about...what I think?
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Today I am going to try to appreciate Lost for what it was.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not going to complain about the 6 seasons, or convince everyone it was a waste of time. Honestly, besides a weird ending, it was a great show. Superb acting, great suspense, and awesome scenery. There are few shows that matched the intriguing ways to follow a character.
But after being at a loss for words after the series finale, it finally hit me why I should concentrate on the characters rather than the island and it's supernatural powers.

For that I give you an example: Ronin, 1998.
If you don't remember anything about it besides the awesome car chase and Katarina Witt (thanks to Diet Coke commercials, I had a crush on her when I was a kid), I'll explain.

Ronin starts off with a meeting of some criminals hired for a project. They are brought in by a mysterious leader who doesn't reveal his identity and is overly cautious about keeping himself anonymous.
The objective is to steal a case. The leader's adviser and liaison to the hired guns; is an Irish women named Dierdre.
The protagonist is played by Robert Di Nero. He's a CIA deep cover agent (we learn way late in the film) posing as an ex-CIA agent. He is convincing to everyone except one French guy named Vincent played by Jean Reno. Sure, some sound skeptical, but only to make themselves look smart.
It doesn't phase Vincent one bit. Sam (De Niro) convinces Vincent that he is a good guy, despite his mysterious background. They quickly build a friendship built in trust.
In this film we meet Boromir for the first time. Boromir aka Sean Bean, plays an ex-British SAS soldier. Problem was, he was lying about his badass history. And just like Lord of the Rings, Boromir meets an untimely exit.
Okay, back to Ronin.
The professional thieves stake out the movement of the case. After agreeing to plan to steal the case, they pull the heist off. Well almost. Gregor an ex-GDR-KGB agent switches cases during the heist and goes Waldo.
This leaves Dierdre in a desperate situation. She must open more dialog and meet her boss more often to work out the wrinkly details of getting the case back. She relies almost solely on Sam and Vincent to get the case back.
To step back a moment, everyone was enamored with what they were stealing and who was the buyer.
Neither was revealed before all were committed to the heist. Dierdre managed to get everyone to agree on payments and responsibilities without talking about the elephant in the room too often.
Back to the story.
At long last, Sam can't avoid making contact with the CIA. We learn who Sam is working for.
Sam and Vincent locate Gregor the German bastard and the case. He is attempting to sell it himself, and he in turns draws out the ring leader to the whole botched operation.
I call Gregor a bastard because he has Katarina Witt shot.
The mysterious leader is revealed as an Irish guy named...Seamus. Really, were we expecting any other name? He is an IRA guy gone rogue, and so reckless the IRA doesn't want him.
During a gun fight that erupts in panic. Seamus finally gets the case after shooting Gregor. However he blows his cover, and Sam and Vincent pursue. Along the way, Seamus turns on Dierdre and Sam stops her from pursuing Seamus. He reveals that he is after Seamus. He knew all along on who was contracting them out. He doesn't care about the case. He only wanted to devise a way to draw Seamus out of hiding.
Seamus gets killed during a shootout. Vincent is the one that kills him after Sam is disabled in the fight.
The two later meet at the place where they were originally hired, hoping to find Dierdre. She never shows up. They go their separate ways. Sam is picked up by his CIA co-worker (still looking one last time for Dierdre as he enters the car), and Vincent leaves wondering if he and Sam will get to work with each other again.

Why Ronin?
Well during the whole film, we are wondering what is in that damn case. We learn at the last minute it wasn't important. For all we know, it's a decoy, or something invented out of nonsense making it a hot commodity a'la Sneakers. (sorry, spoiler to another film there)
We get to see two bad ass friends do there bromance thing and kick butt, take names and shake hands.
And just like Ronin, Lost offers a plot device that only gets things moving. Not centric to it's objective, but only to get us interested in the characters.
And just like Ronin, we also see the leader revealed only towards the end. I found it quite odd that Jacob was revealed so late in the series. But again, Jacob wasn't that important was he? To the island he was.
But to the survivors that endured so much, he was just another plot device.
The show ended with everyone together before they "moved on".
Ronin ended with Sam and Vincent before they moved on themselves.

Was I disappointed that more island secrets weren't revealed? Yes.
Did I enjoy the series? Heck yeah. Probably helps that I liked the characters.
 
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I really don't get the walt stuff. I can't recall any scenes in the show that made it seem like walt was important. he was special and a mystery, but never a big part of the show. If there are scenes that prove otherwise, please let me know, but don't just give me examples of his "powers"

Here's a scene....how about the waning minutes of the Season 1 finale where the Others come all the way out into the ocean to get him? Tom says, "I'm gonna need the boy," and then Sawyer is even shot for his trouble of trying to stop them.

Would you consider that not important? The Season 1 finale set up two things for Season 2....the hatch and Walt. The hatch was explained in grand detail over the next couple of seasons. Walt was not....at all.

I'm not one of these people who swear off the entire series because of the whole Walt debacle, but I do agree with them that Walt was made out to be important somehow, then they just dropped him completely. To say that the writers were justified because the actor hit puberty is a cop-out.
 

Fingolfin269

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Here's a scene....how about the waning minutes of the Season 1 finale where the Others come all the way out into the ocean to get him? Tom says, "I'm gonna need the boy," and then Sawyer is even shot for his trouble of trying to stop them.

Would you consider that not important? The Season 1 finale set up two things for Season 2....the hatch and Walt. The hatch was explained in grand detail over the next couple of seasons. Walt was not....at all.

Yeah it was important... in pushing them to track down the Others and progress the story. Ultimately the Walt deal ended up just being a means to an end. And that end was not learning what Walt's powers were but bringing the Others more into play for season 2.
 
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Yeah it was important... in pushing them to track down the Others and progress the story. Ultimately the Walt deal ended up just being a means to an end. And that end was not learning what Walt's powers were but bringing the Others more into play for season 2.

But they were already hinting at the Others being on the island and made them out to be threatening, they even kidnapped Rousseau's baby. There were a thousand other ways to introduce the Others without making Walt such a catalyst.

I can definitely put myself into your head and see your point of view. Do we really need to know why Walt was special? No, it doesn't appear to be detrimental to main story. But to bring him in as "special" and refer to it numerous times throughout the series, then completely ignore it is just lame. It's especially lame when you consider they did this with a show that has been hotly debated and was intended to introduce mysteries to keep you watching. I'm not saying they should answer everything, but Walt being special was a definitely a substantive plot point for the second season. They could've thrown us a bone and explained him somewhat. A means to an end is a poor excuse.
 

UpgradeFailure

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Walts story is not over. Damon and Carlton confirmed they will answer some of Walts stuff, but they did not say how. Graphic Novel has been the rumor so far
 

M0RPH

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Here's a scene....how about the waning minutes of the Season 1 finale where the Others come all the way out into the ocean to get him? Tom says, "I'm gonna need the boy," and then Sawyer is even shot for his trouble of trying to stop them. Would you consider that not important?

I could argue that their main reason for going out there was to blow up the raft and stop them from leaving, and that they figured they would grab the kid first. They didn't want to kill him since they thought he had potential and wanted him to join their group, just like all those other people from 815 that they grabbed to join their group. So the Others wanting to grab Walt doesn't necessarily make him any more special than any of those other people they grabbed. And If Walt was so extraordinarily special as you're making him out to be, why'd they bargain him off so easily and let him leave the island?

I really don't understand some people's fixation with Walt, sure he an integral part of a story arc but I never really felt he was all that crucial to the overall show of Lost, and I didn't really miss him much when he was gone. And I watched all of Lost just a few months ago so maybe my recollection of past seasons is fresher than yours.
 
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I finally got around to watching the finale and I have to put myself in the lovers camp. Did the show NOT wrap up A LOT of the plot? Absolutely.. but really, the show is about characters/emotion more so than it's about plot. A lot of the shit that happened just seemed like zany plot devices/mechanisms to further character development. Do I wish I had some of the answers to the unanswered question? Yeah, but I still enjoyed the show quite a bit.

For a show that is full of plot devices, how on Earth can they do 80% of various story arcs and not finish the other 20%.

People acts like this could have been Ewoks on Endor and it wouldn't have mattered.

Who here watched the first two episodes and had a dropped jaw at the end? I did! And not one thought in my mind was about the characters/emotion. It was about the sci-fi mystery aspect. Who here honestly can say they watched the first two episodes and got hooked because of the emotional aspect? To those that do, you are all liars.
 

nageov3t

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http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/05/26/lost-final-scenes-wreckage/

final scenes were added by ABC to ease transition into news...how retarded.
I still dug them.

thought it showed the plane wreckage and the abandoned camp as like folding into the islands neverending mysteries (like the temple or the statue)... people have found themselves on the island before and left their mark and people will find themselves on the island in the future and be wtfconfused at whatever came before them.
 

cronos

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For a show that is full of plot devices, how on Earth can they do 80% of various story arcs and not finish the other 20%.

People acts like this could have been Ewoks on Endor and it wouldn't have mattered.

Who here watched the first two episodes and had a dropped jaw at the end? I did! And not one thought in my mind was about the characters/emotion. It was about the sci-fi mystery aspect. Who here honestly can say they watched the first two episodes and got hooked because of the emotional aspect? To those that do, you are all liars.

I understand how you're feeling.

To be fair though, an extreme amount of time was spent over the earlier seasons (and then throughout the show until the end) to establish back stories about each and every major characters on the show. To deny that this show is about characters right from the very beginning is just as ignorant as denying that to a lot of people, it was the mystery that got them hooked.
 

darkxshade

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lol, I have never seen a show so polarizing... I'm counting down to the day this thread reaches 1000 replies
 

cronos

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FAIL!

The show is the story. It should stand on its own.

Now this is a respond that I don't understand. If you really want to know the answers to these questions, how can you not be happy with news like this?

I for one am looking forward for any kind of spin-off of Lost in different media in the future, be it graphical novel, feature movie, or sitcom (wtf). Anything that can be considered canon, I'll welcome with excitement. Especially if they then decide to little by little answers these unanswered question they didn't have the time to address in the series itself.
 
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I understand how you're feeling.

To be fair though, an extreme amount of time was spent over the earlier seasons (and then throughout the show until the end) to establish back stories about each and every major characters on the show. To deny that this show is about characters right from the very beginning is just as ignorant as denying that to a lot of people, it was the mystery that got them hooked.

The question always seemed to be, why did these people run into each other in their backstories? You would think that it was more than coincidence. or the constant number references. Or Hurley on the TV in the background of some kitchen based scene?

The answer is that "we were just f'ing with you" doesn't work with me. That was the reason that many watched. They wanted a conclusion to all of this. "Oh, we were just messing with your head!" is not allowable.

Like dinosaur fossils, if I die and meet my maker and I am told that they were put there just to F with me, I'll kick him in the jimmy.
 
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Now this is a respond that I don't understand. If you really want to know the answers to these questions, how can you not be happy with news like this?

I for one am looking forward for any kind of spin-off of Lost in different media in the future, be it graphical novel, feature movie, or sitcom (wtf). Anything that can be considered canon, I'll welcome with excitement. Especially if they then decide to little by little answers these unanswered question they didn't have the time to address in the series itself.

Do you also get the kid book versions of the movies you see and like?
 
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