lots of apple haters. where're the sun haters?

[LethalWolfe]

Different strokes for different folks. Both platforms have pro's and con's.


Lethal

 

[kalster]

coz all the haters are home product fanboys (eg intel x86 and apple)

workstation buyers, which is what SGI, SUN serve to, dont care if one server/workstion is 10/100 pricier than the other

they buy the product that provides the easiest and most seamless upgrade solution for them

 

[drag]

Originally posted by: tart666

Originally posted by: drag ... The biggest difference with windows stems from the fact that MS is the only OS manufacturer that doesn't also sell hardware.

An important part of that difference is that not only does MS not profit from selling hardware, they also write a lot of free drivers for other people's hardware... Apple, OTOH, sells floppy drives for $100.

The do? Did MS make any free drivers for my OS (linux)... Or did they just write drivers to be used with, well, Windows?? I don't think this is a example of helping anybody else out other then themselves.

between the two, MS's model (free driver support) drives the component cost way down (more competition among hardware makers), while apple's antics keep the component cost up as a part of their business model

a pretty good reason to hate apple...

I don't know. I think that your a bit confused about what goes on when people create systems for people to use.

What you run into is the cost of doing business. Apple doesn't have anywere near the resources that MS has to throw around, making OSes work properly with a wide veriaty of hardware is very hard and very expensive. Apple can't afford to do that, instead they choose to build entire systems and make sure that their OS works well with THAT hardware, otherwise Apple couldn't hope to make a OS X work nearly as well as it does.

As far as hardware drivers go you have it a bit backwards, instead of Windows making sure it will work with other hardware, hardware manufacturers make sure that their stuff will work with Windows.

Because if they didn't design it FOR windows, nobody will buy it. It doesn't come from any warm and fuzzy code coming from Bill Gates. You giving MS credit for stuff they don't deserve, instead be gratefull to the manufactures for designing good products.

People DO hack Macs, people DO do CPU upgrades, memory upgrades and such. It just requires more skill to design and setup then most wintel people possess.

 

[jhu]

Originally posted by: Cogman
Ok, you want to know why I hate Apple and not sun or SGI? Its because of the vast number of STUPID Apple fan boys and the fraudulent (see first topic) claims they insisit on making. I about gagged when the G5 came out saying "The worlds fastest, most powerful, PC ever" It claimed to have the first 64-bit Processor, But AMD had clearly released the Optron by then, They claimed to be the fastest, But used THERE OWN BENCHMARKING PROGRAMS, clearly giving them the advantage. And then dell sued them, and won, for lieing.

The sooner Apple goes out of buisness the better, no company, nor its fans, get on my nerves more.

fradulent? kind of like how intel tells you that their processors will make the internet faster. how about windows xp will make you fly? or how about intel's centrino will let you access the internet on top of mt. everest? you don't think those are fradulent? yet people don't tend to get up in arms about those claims. also, dell did not sue them, they just "tipped" off nad to such claims. all i have to say to that is: dude! where's my dell?

when apple's g5 came out, their claim of "fastest, most power pc ever" is marketing drivel that every company comes up with. you think apple's benchmarks are rigged? you should take a look at the sun vs. ibm database benchmarks. who do you believe: sun's or ibm's benchmarks?

apple's claim was to the first 64-bit processor marketed for personal computers. amd's official stance on opteron is for servers. all previous 64-bit processors have also been marketed for servers or workstations, not the home user (except for nintendo using mips for their n64).

 

[jhu]

Originally posted by: GonzoDaGr8

I guess if you wanted to upgrade the sound in your ibook/powerbook/emac/imac you'd have to use a USB or FW(do they make FW soundboxes?) external sound card box like the SB extigy (sp). Powermacs have PCI and PCI-X slots you could just use a regular soundcard in.

Sorry Charlie...Different firmare and drivers. You cannot go and get just any old Sound Blaster and have it work. You HAVE to get the Mac edition (And I think all they have is the SB Live) at around $100. Compare that to a $30-ish PC SB Live. Same goes for vid cards, be it PCI or AGP, It HAS to be a Mac edition and quite a higher price point than the comparable PC version.

that's really a moot point. the purpose of being able to use the mac version of the hardware is that such devices will be available before the kernel boots and loads its own drivers.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
Oh but the speed and size and latencies of ddr are standard?

No, but DDR is a standard. A standard that Apple uses.

If you want to upgrade the sound on your mac, what does that entail?

Buy a new sound card. PowerMacs have PCI slots.

If you want to change CPUs what do you do? Change platforms? Pay thousands?

Buy an upgrade. If you want a p4EE on your socket 754 motherboard, what do you do?

Im just playing devils advocate really. I would have no problem with MAC if they would push for Windows support on their machines, and brought out OSX for PC. (OSX for PC alone would bring them more revenue than their entire POS PC business after a few years)...

They'd go out of business. People would pirate it, use it briefly, and being the pussies they are, go back to Windows. Microsoft would crush Apple.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: helpme
Core of Mac OS X - Download it and run it on your x86 machine if you please.

You can't say the same for the Windows kernel.

There aren't any 'Clones' of Macintoshes for the reason that n0cmonkey stated, just like Microsoft doesn't allow 'clones' of Windows (analogous to the x86 machine 'clones').

The reason there are no clones is because the last time some idiot tried it, it almost killed Apple.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: helpme
They can sell us all pizza boxes

I *LOVE* those cases. If I had money, I'd try to buy M4H's ss20.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: jhu

Originally posted by: GonzoDaGr8

I guess if you wanted to upgrade the sound in your ibook/powerbook/emac/imac you'd have to use a USB or FW(do they make FW soundboxes?) external sound card box like the SB extigy (sp). Powermacs have PCI and PCI-X slots you could just use a regular soundcard in.

Sorry Charlie...Different firmare and drivers. You cannot go and get just any old Sound Blaster and have it work. You HAVE to get the Mac edition (And I think all they have is the SB Live) at around $100. Compare that to a $30-ish PC SB Live. Same goes for vid cards, be it PCI or AGP, It HAS to be a Mac edition and quite a higher price point than the comparable PC version.

that's really a moot point. the purpose of being able to use the mac version of the hardware is that such devices will be available before the kernel boots and loads its own drivers.

Netbooting rocks.

 

[Abos]

You use an Apple? *snickering*

 

[GonzoDaGr8]

Originally posted by: jhu

Originally posted by: GonzoDaGr8

I guess if you wanted to upgrade the sound in your ibook/powerbook/emac/imac you'd have to use a USB or FW(do they make FW soundboxes?) external sound card box like the SB extigy (sp). Powermacs have PCI and PCI-X slots you could just use a regular soundcard in.

Sorry Charlie...Different firmare and drivers. You cannot go and get just any old Sound Blaster and have it work. You HAVE to get the Mac edition (And I think all they have is the SB Live) at around $100. Compare that to a $30-ish PC SB Live. Same goes for vid cards, be it PCI or AGP, It HAS to be a Mac edition and quite a higher price point than the comparable PC version.

that's really a moot point. the purpose of being able to use the mac version of the hardware is that such devices will be available before the kernel boots and loads its own drivers.

So your telling me that standard off-the-shelf PC parts(PCI/AGP vid cards and sound cards) will work once the OS has booted? I seriously beg to differ, But would like to be wrong in this case. Would have saved me a ton of hassle when the original sound card went out on my old G3 desktop.

 

[jhu]

it works if the os has drivers for the hardware in question. at least that's what happens with those free unixes. what os were you running?

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: GonzoDaGr8

Originally posted by: jhu

Originally posted by: GonzoDaGr8

I guess if you wanted to upgrade the sound in your ibook/powerbook/emac/imac you'd have to use a USB or FW(do they make FW soundboxes?) external sound card box like the SB extigy (sp). Powermacs have PCI and PCI-X slots you could just use a regular soundcard in.

Sorry Charlie...Different firmare and drivers. You cannot go and get just any old Sound Blaster and have it work. You HAVE to get the Mac edition (And I think all they have is the SB Live) at around $100. Compare that to a $30-ish PC SB Live. Same goes for vid cards, be it PCI or AGP, It HAS to be a Mac edition and quite a higher price point than the comparable PC version.

that's really a moot point. the purpose of being able to use the mac version of the hardware is that such devices will be available before the kernel boots and loads its own drivers.

So your telling me that standard off-the-shelf PC parts(PCI/AGP vid cards and sound cards) will work once the OS has booted? I seriously beg to differ, But would like to be wrong in this case. Would have saved me a ton of hassle when the original sound card went out on my old G3 desktop.

There were stories of people flashing ATI cards to work in a Mac.

I have PCI cards that work on my Sun that aren't Sun cards, once the OS has booted.

 

[helpme]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: helpme
They can sell us all pizza boxes

I *LOVE* those cases. If I had money, I'd try to buy M4H's ss20.

There's a bunch of them at work, but one guy jacked most of the memory out of all of them. So now one runs at an ok speed, but the rest are memoryless .

 

[The Sauce]

Apple is the "Buffalo Bills" of computers...cant win the big game but frequently makes false boasts that it is the "fastest/best" and has an obnoxiously contrite and ignorant fanbase. They "cute" things up to gloss-over their overpricing and performance inadequacies. Also I cant remember the last time I saw an 18 year old driving a bright red VW beetle with "SUN" or "SGI" stickers stuck all over it...ugh.

 

[drag]

Originally posted by: Snatchface
Apple is the "Buffalo Bills" of computers...cant win the big game but frequently makes false boasts that it is the "fastest/best" and has an obnoxiously contrite and ignorant fanbase. They "cute" things up to gloss-over their overpricing and performance inadequacies. Also I cant remember the last time I saw an 18 year old driving a bright red VW beetle with "SUN" or "SGI" stickers stuck all over it...ugh.

So that's why people hate Apple?

Geez getting pissed a company because it caters to a "ignorant fanbase", in other words people who are probably to busy with their lives and/or using a computer to bother learning how a computer works."Wow what losers..."

So the people that go around hating Apple should be hating the NFL because the NFL caters to a "ignorant fanbase".

Whooho.

And I suppose honda sucks, because honda's users are happy about owning a reliable car, but don't know enough to work on it, and it's generally quite a bit more pricy then a GM car. And most GM cars are faster, too!!

(Goad, Honda uses PROPRIATORY PARTS, I can't use them in my DODGE!!!! Swapping a Chevy V8 in a honda is TOO DIFFICULT, What a bunch of F-ING A-HOLES!!!!! HONDA is SUXORS) Plus hondas are slow and way overpriced. blah blah blah


I have swapped motors out of cars. I've replaced rotors, brakes, and CV joints. I understand how the combustion motor works. I've replaced timing belts and do change my own oil (when I remember).

So if you don't know how to do that stuff, then I should look down at you and say your a idiot? If your mom doesn't know about that stuff is she a ignorant, too?

And I should hate the manufacturer of the car you drive, too?

Or I should only hate the the manufacturers of cars who cater to people who boast about them?

like:

I was in a forum were people were talking about Ford mustangs and how they like to autocross them because the 5.0's are cheap and fast. I told them that my 69 cuda would KICK THEIR A$$. Then they said I was a idiot.

OMG. The guy didn't even know how to set the timing of a car with a timing light!!! He takes his car to a mechanic, hahaha.

What a bunch of morons, FORD SUCKS!!!

woho, Pluss I saw a add in the paper for fords were they said that their cars were rated "best in their class, and the Mustang was the fastest car in it's class", but a Z-28 is faster then a 5.0. Ford is a bunch of lying bastards. Screw Ford.

Plus it's hard to put a Honda dashboard in a Ford because Ford uses propriatory parts.

 

[Cogman]

Originally posted by: drag

Originally posted by: Snatchface
Apple is the "Buffalo Bills" of computers...cant win the big game but frequently makes false boasts that it is the "fastest/best" and has an obnoxiously contrite and ignorant fanbase. They "cute" things up to gloss-over their overpricing and performance inadequacies. Also I cant remember the last time I saw an 18 year old driving a bright red VW beetle with "SUN" or "SGI" stickers stuck all over it...ugh.

So that's why people hate Apple?

Geez getting pissed a company because it caters to a "ignorant fanbase", in other words people who are probably to busy with their lives and/or using a computer to bother learning how a computer works."Wow what losers..."

So the people that go around hating Apple should be hating the NFL because the NFL caters to a "ignorant fanbase".

Whooho.

And I suppose honda sucks, because honda's users are happy about owning a reliable car, but don't know enough to work on it, and it's generally quite a bit more pricy then a GM car. And most GM cars are faster, too!!

(Goad, Honda uses PROPRIATORY PARTS, I can't use them in my DODGE!!!! Swapping a Chevy V8 in a honda is TOO DIFFICULT, What a bunch of F-ING A-HOLES!!!!! HONDA is SUXORS) Plus hondas are slow and way overpriced. blah blah blah


I have swapped motors out of cars. I've replaced rotors, brakes, and CV joints. I understand how the combustion motor works. I've replaced timing belts and do change my own oil (when I remember).

So if you don't know how to do that stuff, then I should look down at you and say your a idiot? If your mom doesn't know about that stuff is she a ignorant, too?

And I should hate the manufacturer of the car you drive, too?

Or I should only hate the the manufacturers of cars who cater to people who boast about them?

like:

I was in a forum were people were talking about Ford mustangs and how they like to autocross them because the 5.0's are cheap and fast. I told them that my 69 cuda would KICK THEIR A$$. Then they said I was a idiot.

OMG. The guy didn't even know how to set the timing of a car with a timing light!!! He takes his car to a mechanic, hahaha.

What a bunch of morons, FORD SUCKS!!!

woho, Pluss I saw a add in the paper for fords were they said that their cars were rated "best in their class, and the Mustang was the fastest car in it's class", but a Z-28 is faster then a 5.0. Ford is a bunch of lying bastards. Screw Ford.

Plus it's hard to put a Honda dashboard in a Ford because Ford uses propriatory parts.

First off, you car Analogy is fairly good actually, However, it is lacking one aspect. While you are driving down the road in your nice ford pickup, it never fails that every single Toyota user roles down their window, and screems "FORD SUCKS, YOUR A DORK, TOYOTA IS THE BEST EVER, IT CAN OUT PREFORM ANYTHING YOU HAVE, I HATE YOU BECAUSE YOU USE FORD AND YOU ARE INFERIOR" now, Im not saying you cant drive with the windows up and the music blasting your eardrums, But that does not mean it is still not happening.

Now, I dont know about the rest of you, But if I was happy with my ford pickup, and toyota user that came by, even though toyotas are not the best, would screem that at me, I would start to hate toyota.

The next thing that is missing, Is say on the comercials, toyota will have their car pitted agenst a ford truck, There would be big unable to miss signs on each, and that fords back wheels are on blocks and it is not allowed to go until 10 seconds after the race has started, Of course the Toyota Zooms past the finish line before the ford can manage to get off the blocks and into the race, Then in the background you here "Toyota, the worlds fastest, most powerful car on the market," and on the website they have a copy of the race with a graph showing that the toyota completed the race in 5.64 seconds while it took to ford 20 minuets. That is what Mac does, And that is why I hate them.

 

[GonzoDaGr8]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: GonzoDaGr8

Originally posted by: jhu

Originally posted by: GonzoDaGr8

I guess if you wanted to upgrade the sound in your ibook/powerbook/emac/imac you'd have to use a USB or FW(do they make FW soundboxes?) external sound card box like the SB extigy (sp). Powermacs have PCI and PCI-X slots you could just use a regular soundcard in.

Sorry Charlie...Different firmare and drivers. You cannot go and get just any old Sound Blaster and have it work. You HAVE to get the Mac edition (And I think all they have is the SB Live) at around $100. Compare that to a $30-ish PC SB Live. Same goes for vid cards, be it PCI or AGP, It HAS to be a Mac edition and quite a higher price point than the comparable PC version.

that's really a moot point. the purpose of being able to use the mac version of the hardware is that such devices will be available before the kernel boots and loads its own drivers.

So your telling me that standard off-the-shelf PC parts(PCI/AGP vid cards and sound cards) will work once the OS has booted? I seriously beg to differ, But would like to be wrong in this case. Would have saved me a ton of hassle when the original sound card went out on my old G3 desktop.

There were stories of people flashing ATI cards to work in a Mac.

I have PCI cards that work on my Sun that aren't Sun cards, once the OS has booted.

Still really hit or miss, Take-your-chances on getting it to work.

Here is site I found a while back on flashing nVidia cards to work in Macs.

 

[drag]

Originally posted by: Cogman

First off, you car Analogy is fairly good actually, However, it is lacking one aspect. While you are driving down the road in your nice ford pickup, it never fails that every single Toyota user roles down their window, and screems "FORD SUCKS, YOUR A DORK, TOYOTA IS THE BEST EVER, IT CAN OUT PREFORM ANYTHING YOU HAVE, I HATE YOU BECAUSE YOU USE FORD AND YOU ARE INFERIOR" now, Im not saying you cant drive with the windows up and the music blasting your eardrums, But that does not mean it is still not happening.

Now, I dont know about the rest of you, But if I was happy with my ford pickup, and toyota user that came by, even though toyotas are not the best, would screem that at me, I would start to hate toyota.

The next thing that is missing, Is say on the comercials, toyota will have their car pitted agenst a ford truck, There would be big unable to miss signs on each, and that fords back wheels are on blocks and it is not allowed to go until 10 seconds after the race has started, Of course the Toyota Zooms past the finish line before the ford can manage to get off the blocks and into the race, Then in the background you here "Toyota, the worlds fastest, most powerful car on the market," and on the website they have a copy of the race with a graph showing that the toyota completed the race in 5.64 seconds while it took to ford 20 minuets. That is what Mac does, And that is why I hate them.

Ya, I don't know were you go, but I have never been chased down by a Apple user on the internet and have been screamed at by them for using a inferior product.

And anyways if they did, my thought would be "gawd, what a moron", rather then "Man, Apple sucks".



And on the race analogy I am GUESSING (because thoughtfully you did completely fail to explain what you ment) that your refering to the Spec2000 results that Apple advertised, I had no doubt that they were at least somewhat accurate.

You see normally when you test x86 machines on those spec tests, you use ICC. Which is the Intel C compiler. You normally seen that used that because it's the manufacturers goal to make their hardware look as good as possible.

So when AMD or Intel publish spec results they use ICC. This is because ICC is the fastest compiler (in terms of compile times) and it gives the best results.

However ICC doesn't work on PPC computers, this is because it's optimized to be specificly used only on x86 machines, and especially those running Intel proccessors.

There is a compiler used on BOTH x86 and PPC, and this is the GNU C compiler. It's goal is not to be as fast as possible, but be portable. Thus it doesn't have many of the optimizations that ICC has, because if it did it would be harder to port. (Versions of GCC run on almost every computer in existance, plus it is FREE, so it is THE industry standard compiler by default)

So the spec results that apple published on it's websites about Xeon and P4 proccessors were from the results of GCC on x86 vs GCC on Macs. Thus they differ from the versions you get when you go to Spec2000's websites, which were created using ICC compilers for x86, mostly. (again because the people who paid for their benchmarks want's them to look favorably(OR ARE THEY LIARS?)

You see the people who created Spec expected it to be read and understood by people who were at least somewhat knowledgable, and not the average ill-informed public who beleive automaticly everything they read in AMD-fanboy and "soapbox" websites because it fits their preconceived notions.

So comparing Spec2000 benchmarks run on a x86 machine with Dual Xeon proccessors using ICC vs results from Dual G5 using GCC is like comparing the FPS benchmarks of Nvidia running ut2003 vs ATI running ut2004.

And in addition, Apple sells desktop computers. Dell, HP, and friends sells desktop computers. However computers come in different "classes". (ie servers, workstations, laptops, desktops.)

Dual Xeons or even single Opterons DO NOT fall into Desktop land, just like Power4+ and Intanium proccessors are NOT desktop proccessors

There are NO Dell's advertised as desktops with dual proccessors anythings, neither are their Gateways, HP, or anybody else. Except, of course, Apple.

And at the time of release of the PowerG5 their were NO AMD64 proccessors in desktops being sold anywere. PERIOD.

So AT THE TIME that Apple did release those advertisements saying is was the fastest desktop in the world, THEY WERE TRUE. For the most part, at least.

They are only guilty of "not telling the WHOLE truth" on the matter, which is exactly the samething you get when you go to AMD/Intel-fanboy websites or see the advertised spec results from Dell, HP, IBM, Cray, Alienware, Intel, Via, Nvidia or ANY OTHER manufacture.

And they are definately false now, but thats normal. Those results were release months and months ago and Apple has yet to update their product line. And remember the speed of technology that anything created now will be totally eclisped by new products 3-6 months from now.

 

[nowayout99]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: nowayout99
I don't personally care about the platform being opened/closed/whatever.

I'd buy a Mac tomorrow to at least toy around with if I didn't feel like I was being ripped off. Even their lowest of the low-end is the $800 eMac... 1GHZ CPU, 128 MB RAM, 40GB HD, Radeon 7500, Combo Drive.

A month ago I built my A64 3200+ with AIW 9600 for around $900... money much better spent for the better performance and storage.

Throw in $300 for the OS, a couple hundred for other software...

That price included the OS, and unless you know something I don't about my own system, I don't have hundreds of dollars worth of other programs.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: nowayout99

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: nowayout99
I don't personally care about the platform being opened/closed/whatever.

I'd buy a Mac tomorrow to at least toy around with if I didn't feel like I was being ripped off. Even their lowest of the low-end is the $800 eMac... 1GHZ CPU, 128 MB RAM, 40GB HD, Radeon 7500, Combo Drive.

A month ago I built my A64 3200+ with AIW 9600 for around $900... money much better spent for the better performance and storage.

Throw in $300 for the OS, a couple hundred for other software...

That price included the OS, and unless you know something I don't about my own system, I don't have hundreds of dollars worth of other programs.

I wonder why everytime I price an opteron it comes out to more than $900 before software... And I just figured you did something with your computer

 

[jhu]

perhaps he's using linux. yay linux!

 

[drag]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: nowayout99

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: nowayout99
I don't personally care about the platform being opened/closed/whatever.

I'd buy a Mac tomorrow to at least toy around with if I didn't feel like I was being ripped off. Even their lowest of the low-end is the $800 eMac... 1GHZ CPU, 128 MB RAM, 40GB HD, Radeon 7500, Combo Drive.

A month ago I built my A64 3200+ with AIW 9600 for around $900... money much better spent for the better performance and storage.

Throw in $300 for the OS, a couple hundred for other software...

That price included the OS, and unless you know something I don't about my own system, I don't have hundreds of dollars worth of other programs.

I wonder why everytime I price an opteron it comes out to more than $900 before software... And I just figured you did something with your computer

Uh... a amd64 3200+ costs under 300 dollars now, and probably under 400 dollars when he bought it. 900 dollars is to cheap for good quality hardware if your using a 400 dollar proccessor, more then likely he had hardware that he used from a older computer, or he just used cheapest stuff he could find...

but. It don't cost 900 dollars for a AMD-64 bit proccessor, even Opterons are cheaper then that, unless it's one of the 4-way types and those are just plain expensive...

AND a 3200+ is at LEAST as fast as a Dual G5 setup.

Maybe I am missing some point here....

The 800 dollar Emac is a fine price. It's not a good deal, but it's not outragiously expensive either. It's mearly expensive. It's just not what people that hang out here are looking for... They are looking for max speed, but Emac means livability.

That is when something f-ups you can get it fixed, there are people that help you out. The software works the computers works FIRST try.

You buy it, you wait for the shipment. You get the box, you open it up, you plug in the keyboard and mouse. Plug it into the wall.

And it works, just works. It's dead silent, no fans no noise. It just plain works.

No viruses, no worms. No adware, no spyware. No virus scanners needed no nothing.

You plug a sony handy cam into it. It works, you plug a external zip drive into it. It just works, no messing around with drivers and incompabilities.

That's the point of Apple, that's why they are expensive. You want something that works, you get Apple. You want something that is fast WHEN it works, get wintel.

If it matters to you more to get a 60 FPS on ut2004, then a Emac is definately not for you. But just because you can build a 900 dollar computer that's much much faster, doesn't mean that 800 dollars is a ripoff for someone else.

 

[helpme]

I bought a mac (in addition to my Dual athlon 1800 MP system) laptop so I could have a unix workstation (X11, easily can run free unix/linux software etc) with a decient GUI.

I wouldn't touch Mac OS < 10.

While Gnome/KDE may be getting better, I don't think there is a window manager for Linux/unix that offers a polished and easly configureable package as Apple.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: drag

Uh... a amd64 3200+ costs under 300 dollars now, and probably under 400 dollars when he bought it. 900 dollars is to cheap for good quality hardware if your using a 400 dollar proccessor, more then likely he had hardware that he used from a older computer, or he just used cheapest stuff he could find...

but. It don't cost 900 dollars for a AMD-64 bit proccessor, even Opterons are cheaper then that, unless it's one of the 4-way types and those are just plain expensive...

AND a 3200+ is at LEAST as fast as a Dual G5 setup.

Maybe I am missing some point here....

No, you didn't, I don't think. Basically: Different strokes for different folks.