Louisiana under state of emergency due to massive statewide police shortage

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Pens1566

Lifer
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I'd have to think that if you take a deeper dive, that police #s would plummet once you take into account total hrs worked. They are a 24hr/7 days/365 job. A lot of those other ones (logger/roofer/etc) aren't. Deaths per hr worked seems like a better metric.

Oh, and Getty would be even more fucking incorrect.
 

fskimospy

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I'd have to think that if you take a deeper dive, that police #s would plummet once you take into account total hrs worked. They are a 24hr/7 days/365 job. A lot of those other ones (logger/roofer/etc) aren't. Deaths per hr worked seems like a better metric.

Oh, and Getty would be even more fucking incorrect.
It’s also mostly traffic deaths as they drive around a lot.
 
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soundforbjt

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In most states it takes more hours of training to cut hair than to become a cop.

Which is worse, a bad haircut or a bad cop?
 
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FirNaTine

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I'd have to think that if you take a deeper dive, that police #s would plummet once you take into account total hrs worked. They are a 24hr/7 days/365 job. A lot of those other ones (logger/roofer/etc) aren't. Deaths per hr worked seems like a better metric.

Oh, and Getty would be even more fucking incorrect.
It wouldn't really change much as long as each worker is averaging around 40 hours per week. While they work around the clock, it takes roughly 5 full time police officers to equal 1 officer available for 24 hr/365 coverage*. So the fatality data would be divided over the 5 full time employees, not the 1 on duty at any given time.


*4 officers each averaging 42 hour weeks would provide 1 officer 24/7, though once you account for vacation time, sick time, training, etc. you need at least one more FTE. So the 24/7 fire and EMS agencies that I have worked for figure 5+ FTE to cover 1 spot. The actual staffing on day/evening/midnight shift might vary some based on usual call volumes, but the ratio holds. And that doesn't even take into account admin roles which dilute the number even further.

Though I also looked at the source data and noticed both police (and firefighter) fatal injury data is missing for the last several years. You have to go back to 2018-2019 or so to find them, so they would not have been eligible to include in either or the articles linked.
 

soundforbjt

Lifer
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It wouldn't really change much as long as each worker is averaging around 40 hours per week. While they work around the clock, it takes roughly 5 full time police officers to equal 1 officer available for 24 hr/365 coverage*. So the fatality data would be divided over the 5 full time employees, not the 1 on duty at any given time.


*4 officers each averaging 42 hour weeks would provide 1 officer 24/7, though once you account for vacation time, sick time, training, etc. you need at least one more FTE. So the 24/7 fire and EMS agencies that I have worked for figure 5+ FTE to cover 1 spot. The actual staffing on day/evening/midnight shift might vary some based on usual call volumes, but the ratio holds. And that doesn't even take into account admin roles which dilute the number even further.

Though I also looked at the source data and noticed both police (and firefighter) fatal injury data is missing for the last several years. You have to go back to 2018-2019 or so to find them, so they would not have been eligible to include in either or the articles linked.
Have you ever looked at the overtime hours for the average cop? It’s way more than you think, not even counting their off duty “security “ jobs.
 
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FirNaTine

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Have you ever looked at the overtime hours for the average cop? It’s way more than you think, not even counting their off duty “security “ jobs.
Yes. As someone who also shown up in public employee salary databases for 20+ years, I actually am quite familiar with it. Last solid national stats I found had 30% of police officers recording OT in any given work week, and those that did had an average of 12 hours.

A lot of the blue collar lumber/construction/fishing/mining jobs showing high up on the list can also have high work week hours.
 

MrSquished

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The cops work real hard. Mostly I see them on their phones. I remember at the West 4th street subway station - the ACE trains are on the top level, then the BDFM are two floors down. The middle floor between the ACE platform and the BDFM platform is just an empty floor that people just run across to the stairs to go up or down. I saw 5 cops there just hanging out chilin, with literally no cops to be seen on either platform. Don't know of any job where all the employees at one station get a break together. I watched a minute, took this photo, then kept on going. As you can see, this is not where the police are supposed to be actually protecting the citizens.

This is what happens times a thousand every day in NYC. The cops are mostly useless. We need completely retrained and more accountable police. Two years training, perhaps an associate degree required too. It can be an honorable job, if they just treated it as such.

 
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