Low Information Voters

[Fanatical Meat]

IQ is a red herring imo, some of the dumbest fuckers I've met in my life have been 'intelligent', and vice versa. It's not even a trend, it's just random.

I would be willing to go with 'people who have been abused in a certain way or set of ways seek out conservatism, dictators, or both' however.

Fair enough, I am not super smart but there are some things I absolutely excel at.
By low IQ I mean the morons who sit outside drinking from a keg and have dumb hobbies.
I am not talking about a sub average IQ that works a normal job and is successful.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Patently false. 'I'll take spring rolls if they have them, otherwise crab rangoon'. That's all you need to tell them ranked choice is.

They won’t understand the math required to do it, trust me.
They will whine about ranked choice like “nobody voted for this fool why are they elected”

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Or why did they vote three times or why are there 10,000 voters but 32,000 votes cast. VOTER FRAUD! ILLEGALS!

 

[nakedfrog]

Or why did they vote three times or why are there 10,000 voters but 32,000 votes cast. VOTER FRAUD! ILLEGALS!

So, no different than it is today?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

So, no different than it is today?

Correct

 

[Moonbeam]

In other words, the EC is setup to reward low information voters.

Look, this is not right. The EC was a creation of thought applied to a practical problem, how to create a union of states strong enough in union of states far powerful than any one state alone when small states feared being easily ignored by states with larger populations. It was a successful construct that happens to have become inconvenient in the estimation of many people today. It was not set up to reward low information voters. It may do so but that was not the original intention.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

They won’t understand the math required to do it, trust me.
They will whine about ranked choice like “nobody voted for this fool why are they elected”

What math? if the guy you didn't want doesn't get enough votes, it goes to the second guy, if THAT guy didn't, he loses, what's to know?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

What math? if the guy you didn't want doesn't get enough votes, it goes to the second guy, if THAT guy didn't, he loses, what's to know?

I know deplorable’s and they’ll never get their heads around ranked choice voting.

 

[Moonbeam]

I know deplorable’s and they’ll never get their heads around ranked choice voting.

I have a question. Are you a low information individual that easily embraces stereotypes? I am curious to see how you will respond if asked to think about it. I’m sure you be full of scientific data defining what a deplorable is and how they have demonstrated not being capable of wrapping their heads around such data.

 

[Lanyap]

Finally, some answers. Half my neighbors are LIVs / LIQs. Fox News is on their TV 24/7. They keep asking me if I’m scared illegal immigrants from ghost flights are going to come into our gated community and rape and kill us.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I have a question. Are you a low information individual that easily embraces stereotypes? I am curious to see how you will respond if asked to think about it. I’m sure you be full of scientific data defining what a deplorable is and how they have demonstrated not being capable of wrapping their heads around such data.

yes now shut up or keep doing what hasn't worked well for 12 plus years.

 

[DaaQ]

I find this proposition personally thought provoking. I think that thought is fear so this attitude I have makes me want to gusetion all opinions I have based on that kind of mental process. Thought is baloney we make up as stories we think to ourselves as rationalizations to define who we think we are. Though, in this way is driven by need, identity made us as self justification.

But all of that is all make believe and once done, it is threatening to do any more thinking. Don’t rock the fucking boat. Don’t people need a self justification that makes them great and making America great again certainly does that, right? So why think when the truth is obvious.

The centipede was happy guide
Until the toad is fun said
Pray, which leg goes after which
This worked his mind to such a pitch
He lai distracted in a ditch
Considering how to run.

If you think about thought you will realize that thought is fear, based on a symbolic language that can make up things that do not exist and about which thinking about them will destroy piece of mind. Thought is fear, thought creates time, it is sequential, and thus thought is the source of misery.

So what to do? You are fucked by thinking and fucked if you avoid thinking this through. What to do? Anybody know?

Stop being afraid of everything or everyone.

Do you think about your mortality or accept that it is fact?

 

[Moonbeam]

Stop being afraid of everything or everyone.

Do you think about your mortality or accept that it is fact?

Hang on a minute and let me see if I can get this straight. I have said that thought is fear and also that thought is time and here you seem to be implying that if I think about my mortality and accept it that should somehow end my fear. Wouldn't that mean that thinking about it will tell me that every thought I have just brings death closer and that knowing that should somehow inspire me not to be afraid. That doesn't seem to me to make much sense. Wouldn't it make more sense that if I want to lose any fear I have of death I should simply stop thinking.

But since you were kind enough to offer me your thoughts on a way out could you please do me a favor and try out my suggestion. Stop any thought at all from arising into existence say for a week and tell me if in that state you were worried about death or felt any need to accept it.

Actually it is the knowledge rehearsed in my thinking that everything must die that when I think about it is worrisome. But if you can end your thinking for say a week I will conjure out of thin air acceptance of the inevitable. Easy peasy right?

 

[Moonbeam]

Finally, some answers. Half my neighbors are LIVs / LIQs. Fox News is on their TV 24/7. They keep asking me if I’m scared illegal immigrants from ghost flights are going to come into our gated community and rape and kill us.

Don't they know that Melania, who flew in on Trump's plain, is one of those very illegal immigrants sent here by a foreign power to take over and destroy the US from within. He was targeted because there wasn't not a lot up stairs in him in the first place to pose real resistance.

 

[Moonbeam]

yes now shut up or keep doing what hasn't worked well for 12 plus years.

Isn't that kind of low level thinking to think that the only way for Democrats to fix the 12 year issue you decry is to do the very opposite in essence. The reason, I believe, that low level thinkers miss seeing third way solutions is that they are stuck in such dualistic thinking.

Treating deplorable people as if they were decent people will get you killed.

Calling people deplorable makes them want to prove to you you are right by acting deplorably toward you.

Neither pig nor pork, my friend, its beef. You do everything in your power to keep them from harming the innocent while doing what you can to help them get some real self respect. They are not evil, they are sick. The will to blame and punish is all the same disease.

 

[MtnMan]

Patently false. 'I'll take spring rolls if they have them, otherwise crab rangoon'. That's all you need to tell them ranked choice is.

You clearly haven't talked to MAGA republicans. Some probably had to give up drinking when Bud Lite was boycoted, as they couldn't comprehend that Miller Lite was a choice.

 

[DaaQ]

Hang on a minute and let me see if I can get this straight. I have said that thought is fear and also that thought is time and here you seem to be implying that if I think about my mortality and accept it that should somehow end my fear. Wouldn't that mean that thinking about it will tell me that every thought I have just brings death closer and that knowing that should somehow inspire me not to be afraid. That doesn't seem to me to make much sense. Wouldn't it make more sense that if I want to lose any fear I have of death I should simply stop thinking.

But since you were kind enough to offer me your thoughts on a way out could you please do me a favor and try out my suggestion. Stop any thought at all from arising into existence say for a week and tell me if in that state you were worried about death or felt any need to accept it.

Actually it is the knowledge rehearsed in my thinking that everything must die that when I think about it is worrisome. But if you can end your thinking for say a week I will conjure out of thin air acceptance of the inevitable. Easy peasy right?

I work a pretty dangerous job. I have been in car accidents, I have been electrocuted, I have to work at height, worry about high voltage. If I let the fear of death cripple my ability to leave my home. What else is there to do except wait for the inevitably of death.

I am not saying be reckless, but become at peace that your time will end at some point, whether you accept it or not is what holds you back from being free to do things without fear of fearing everything.

 

[Lanyap]

Don't they know that Melania, who flew in on Trump's plain, is one of those very illegal immigrants sent here by a foreign power to take over and destroy the US from within. He was targeted because there wasn't not a lot up stairs in him in the first place to pose real resistance.

Yes, I’ve seen Melanie without clothes.

 

[Jaskalas]

I accept that, and I still support the concept of democracy because it is the only way I can influence the outcome by some tincture or drop in the bucket, and walk away satisfied even if "my side loses".

Protecting our Democracy means ensuring the melting pot works, and we are not divided so badly as to be questioning each other's basic realities.
Without a common ground, we find ourselves as tribal enemies who seek power for the sake of it. For stopping the others at all costs.
We then wield "Democracy" as a cudgel in our quest to destroy the others. But then, win or lose, it is no longer a Democracy.

The most Democratic thing we can do is maintain societal cohesion through simple indoctrination. Things that may be called unseemly for a free people who want to "think for themselves", but since all of that boils down to our people sipping from one bowl of propaganda or the other... it must needs be ours and no one else's.

A kind hand to guide and keep our people within the guardrails of sanity. To adhere to enlightenment, the scientific method, etc. To seek reason from madness and to NOT behave or act as the tribal !@#$s we aught to know that we are. And for god's sake, to shut out the propaganda of our foreign enemies. Example, Russia. Free speech CANNOT mean they are allowed to corrupt and influence us.

To these ends, some of our freedoms must be curtailed. To be allowed to err so greatly as we have... is for our society to unwittingly seek its own demise. I value an understanding of how we got here, and the steps needed to correct and avoid further harm. For example, I do not wish to end the first amendment... but we must not allow it to be abused either. There are limits to free speech. To the promotion of things such as... the earth is flat. Okay, that's so easily disproved... and almost harmless. What about when they say the election was rigged? When they call for violence over "stolen" elections? When they stoke stochastic terrorism?

Such things need to be addressed, and yes, it requires that we come to a new understanding on how we honor the Bill of Rights. A libertarian / anarchist view of it would allow human nature to simply end us. For the Bill of Rights to essentially end itself. We need protection from ourselves, while we still can. We do not honor our Democracy or our freedoms if we simply let them slip from our grasp. And I do not think anyone in the past appreciated how difficult that is going to be in our modern world. We must evolve and adapt in ways that may seem uncomfortable.

 

[Moonbeam]

I work a pretty dangerous job. I have been in car accidents, I have been electrocuted, I have to work at height, worry about high voltage. If I let the fear of death cripple my ability to leave my home. What else is there to do except wait for the inevitably of death.

I am not saying be reckless, but become at peace that your time will end at some point, whether you accept it or not is what holds you back from being free to do things without fear of fearing everything.

You tell me to become at peace and I said stop thinking. My point is that what is the point of telling people to do what they have no idea how to do it. You failed to provide a recipe so I gave you one i am betting you have (no either how to do}. If you ask me what is there to do but wait for your death I would say that's crazy. I don't want to sit around waiting. I think it would make more sense to be alive now.

Edit: (no idea either how to do it) How to stop thinking.

 

[BoomerD]

You tell me to become at peace and I said stop thinking. My point is that what is the point of telling people to do what they have no idea how to do it. You failed to provide a recipe so I gave you one i am betting you have no either how to do. If you ask me what is there to do but wait for your death I would say that's crazy. I don't want to sit around waiting. I think it would make more sense to be alive now.

Absolutely...live each day like it's your last one...because, you never know...it just might be.

 

[Greenman]

Do single issue voters fall into the low information voter hate fest?

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Do single issue voters fall into the low information voter hate fest?

I suppose that depends on if it's ignorance by choice or just extreme preference. If the person knows there's other issues that other people find important but they just can't get past abortion or bodily autonomy for instance, I can't fault them. If they literally don't care about other stuff because it's 'other people's problems' and the only thing they care about is lower taxes, yeah that's kinda of a shit tier person... Imo at least.

 

[Greenman]

I suppose that depends on if it's ignorance by choice or just extreme preference. If the person knows there's other issues that other people find important but they just can't get past abortion or bodily autonomy for instance, I can't fault them. If they literally don't care about other stuff because it's 'other people's problems' and the only thing they care about is lower taxes, yeah that's kinda of a shit tier person... Imo at least.

Fair answer. So single issue voting may be low information voting, but it's acceptable to you.

It's my opinion that the majority of voters have one issue that will define how they vote.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Fair answer. So single issue voting may be low information voting, but it's acceptable to you.

It's my opinion that the majority of voters have one issue that will define how they vote.

You're likely right, anyone on this forum basically lives and breathes politics compared to the average voter. Single issue voters are common, and voters who just vote their party are probably more common.

I think the key of modern Democrat messaging is showing all the traditional conservative voters that Republicans are not their party anymore.