Low Vibration HDD for gaming?

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Cerb

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I've found that rubber mounts don't really help as they drive is still connected with a solid screw.

My method for my Samsung F3 that has been successful for the last few years has been to suspend it within the tray using 2 hairbands and some long screws to stop the ends of the bands slipping through the slits.
The case the OP has uses rails, with silicone grommet isolated screws. It should be fine.
 

VeryCharBroiled

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ssd again especially as a sound tech that runs very serious audio for games (and why aren't you?)

my floor shakes while gaming . seriously lookup jbl and cerwin vega

if your hdd (hint ssd) cannot stand vibration look elsewhere
 

ClockHound

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To reduce vibration noise to the case, best to isolate the drive with an elastic suspension with a very low frequency and low Q.

I've been ripping out crappy drive cages and suspending drives (usually WD Blacks) with various stretchy materials for years - the quiet results speak for themselves. Or would if I could hear them.

Check this SPCR drive suspension thread for ideas: http://www.silentpcreview.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=19147
 

Cerb

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I didn't see any screws like that which came with my case.
OK, maybe my memory is a hair off, there. Looking on the web now, I see caddies with isolated nubs, rather than screws, similar to big OEM boxes. As long as the drive isn't loose in them, it shouldn't be bad about making the case noticeably vibrate, with a suitable HDD.
 

Cerb

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To reduce vibration noise to the case, best to isolate the drive with an elastic suspension with a very low frequency and low Q.

I've been ripping out crappy drive cages and suspending drives (usually WD Blacks) with various stretchy materials for years - the quiet results speak for themselves. Or would if I could hear them.

Check this SPCR drive suspension thread for ideas: http://www.silentpcreview.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=19147
It's definitely the best way to do it, but many drives are pretty audible even if suspended. It's also real work, and elastic suspension will degrade (even Stretch Magic). Sorbothane, however, as long as you can keep the temps alright, should be much better as a permanent thing, but it can be tricky to cut right.

I only have 2 Seagate NAS drives, but they're fine, as have been most WD Reds, with much less isolation.
 

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I wouldn't go with WD Purple or other surveillance-class drives for gaming due to the nature of these drives. You may encounter problems with corrupted files or slower read speed as these drives give priority to the sequential writing tasks over everything else. These drives do work with quite low noise and temperature levels but are not recommended for regular usage outside surveillance and video recording/streaming.
NAS drives can work but it would be a waste as regular type of usage such as gaming doesn't really need hte NAS features in those drives.

Captain_WD.
 

Cerb

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I wouldn't go with WD Purple or other surveillance-class drives for gaming due to the nature of these drives. You may encounter problems with corrupted files or slower read speed as these drives give priority to the sequential writing tasks over everything else. These drives do work with quite low noise and temperature levels but are not recommended for regular usage outside surveillance and video recording/streaming.
Based on WD's own marketing, they should be no worse than the Reds. If it is, how about linking to a data sheet that describes how the failure mode will be worse than a Red, when not using ATA streaming features? It may have a slightly worse chance of corruption while writing during a power failure, if it write-caches more than other drives without using streaming, but that's not normally a big worry, for a data-only desktop drive.

If you're going to tell us they should only be used for X, how about some documentation, preferably with some meat to it, about how they are more likely to fail when used differently, or how they will significantly under-perform when used differently.

IoW, can you explain why it's not recommended for regular use, based on feature implementation or specific design decisions, rather vague marketing?

NAS drives can work but it would be a waste as regular type of usage such as gaming doesn't really need hte NAS features in those drives.
So they should have aggressive power saving, that can get annoying really quick, instead, with a Blue (AKA Green)? Or, have a whiny thing that practically can't be made inaudible, like a typical Black? Only getting 100-150MBps sequential is a small price to pay for it being always ready if spun up, and not going, "eeeeeeeee, rat-at-at-tat-at, eeeeeeeeeeee," all the time.

You can try to color it however you like, but a single model could do all of it as well or better, from the perspective of a power use (most necessary features have existed for some time, and streaming is optional, if more recent), except that market segmentation is useful for controlling prices, and it's easy to sort of shame companies into not using the "wrong" drives. So, we have to choose what features are more important to us, when purchasing, rather than being able to configure basic power settings to accomplish the same task, which would allow for much easier choices (much older Hitachis, Seagates, and Samsungs, allowed exactly this, with their AAM settings, though it often took booting into a different OS, if running Windows). FI, there's no technical reason Reds or Purples should have TLER hard-coded in them (years ago, some drives would just honor the command); there's no reason any number of software-configured power settings couldn't make the Green and large Blue drives more tolerable for intermittent desktop use (even right from within Windows, and assuming they'll still be 5xxx RPM); and so on.
 
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redzo

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You may encounter problems with corrupted files or slower read speed as these drives give priority to the sequential writing tasks over everything else.These drives do work with quite low noise and temperature levels but are not recommended for regular usage outside surveillance and video recording/streaming.
Captain_WD.
Just no. NO NO NO
It's insane. WD should pull this drives off the shelves if this is the case.
 

Carson Dyle

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Just no. NO NO NO
It's insane. WD should pull this drives off the shelves if this is the case.

This.

The whole Purple/Red/Green/Blue/Black/Yellow/Orange/Pink thing is mostly a marketing ploy. There's far less difference among these drives than anyone cares to admit. I'm sure the firmware for the Purple drives gives some priority to sequential writes, but that doesn't render it self-destructive.

That said, there's very little reason to buy one when there are other drives from WD and other manufacturers targeted at desktop needs.

To the OP: Don't think you're going to buy one particular model of drive and eliminate vibrations. Samples of all models will vibrate to a different degree. Any claims to the contrary are just anecdotal.

1. If your case is buzzing, FIX THE DAMNED THING.

2. Suspend or otherwise isolate the hard drive from the case.

3. Avoid 7200RPM drives, if for some reason, all of the above doesn't work. But recognize that you'll sacrifice some performance.
 

Cerb

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Just no. NO NO NO
It's insane. WD should pull this drives off the shelves if this is the case.
Yet, their own marketing and bare "datasheet" show it supporting TLER (so, ~7 seconds for read), and the ATA streaming extensions. Said streaming is an optional set of commands/paramters (I think just 2) to tell the drive to not do write error correction, and also to be able to tell it not to prefetch. Both require the software using them to be specifically made to that. Other files should be fine, except those commercial DVR videos. The REs also support it, IIRC.

If there is something else that might make it unsuitable, other than price (which is sometimes cheaper than most 5x00 RPM drives, which is why I have a couple), that should be clearly documented. Keep the implementation hidden, and spin it - that's nothing new, even in datasheets with depth to them. But, have something useful for it, other than, "it's not optimized for X." For basic data drive use, like storing games, there's not a lot of difference between any drives, at the same RPM.

I may have gone a bit overboard, but that obfuscation and vagary, combined with guidance based solely on the shallow marketing materials, gets really tiring.

For the most part, 5400 RPM drives tend to be easier to keep from whining and buzzing much, if at all. I lack experience with current Hitachi and Toshibas of that kind, but the WDs have been quite excellent, IME, as a quiet PC nut. But, I'll probably go for beefing up NAS performance, in the future, and just stay with SSDs.
 

MBrown

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Update: I went ahead and bought a Samsung 850 1TB SSD (I'll just delete games I don't play if I fill it up) and it was definitely worth it. I didn't realize just how much noise and buzzing my HDD was actually creating. PC is much quieter now.

Thanks for the input and suggestions folks.
 

MBrown

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The speed is so worth it, ain't it?

It sure is worth it. I already had an SSD for my primary OS drive so I knew about the speed benefits of everyday computer use. My biggest issue was the noise which is now gone. The lower loading times for games is just another plus and added benefit.
 
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