Lynnfield details leaking out.

[Corporate Thug]

http://www.tcmagazine.com/comm...shownews=25883&catid=2

Delayed until October or not, the Lynnfield (Core i5) are closing in which means more details about them are also popping up. Manufactured using the mature 45nm process, Intel's first Socket 1156 processors are said to be the 2.66, 2.8 and 2.93 GHz-clocked Core i5 models. These processors will all feature four cores and an integrated dual-channel DDR3 memory controller (providing DDR3-1066/1333 support), 8MB of L3 cache and a TDP of 95W.

According to reports, the upcoming 2.66, 2.8 and 2.93 GHz chips will have support for the Turbo Boost technology which will enable single-core overclocks of up to 3.2, 3.46 and 3.6 GHz respectively. In terms of prices, the CPUs would go for $196, $284 and $562, with the cheapest part, the 2.66 MHz model, set to not include features like Hyper Threading, vPro and TXT, which will be found on the 2.8 and 2.93 GHz Lynnfields. Shortly after releasing these three processors, Intel is expected to deliver its first 32nm CPUs.

I really don't understand the point of Lynnfield at this price point. Low end is ~$200 but you can get a i7 920 from ~$230 right now. I'm sure the price will dip even more before the October Lynnfield release.

 

[geoffry]

Ya, the price point doesn't seem too different if this is true.

The only thing I could see is cheaper mobos due to fewer features.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: geoffry
Ya, the price point doesn't seem too different if this is true.

The only thing I could see is cheaper mobos due to fewer features.

well MSI and Gigabytes X58 mobos run sub $200 right now (~$185). High end P45 run $130-150, that leaves very little wiggle room to price i5 board. Even if they price it @ $150 or so, we are talking about a $35 difference in boards and $30 in CPU, total difference $65 or so...

 

[daw123]

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

Originally posted by: geoffry
Ya, the price point doesn't seem too different if this is true.

The only thing I could see is cheaper mobos due to fewer features.

well MSI and Gigabytes X58 mobos run sub $200 right now (~$185). High end P45 run $130-150, that leaves very little wiggle room to price i5 board. Even if they price it @ $150 or so, we are talking about a $35 difference in boards and $30 in CPU, total difference $65 or so...

If the pricing points for the I5 are accurate, the only deciding factor that I can see is that the I5 (I believe) is dual channel whereas the I7 is triple channel, so you have to pay a bit more for RAM. Even so, the difference is going to be less than $100 (also taking into account the OP's comments above on MBs), so you might as well still go for I7.

 

[aigomorla]

whats gonna kill you more thug is C1/C0 used should be poping out soon from guys grabing D0's.



So the price difference will be smaller then you think.

Im just curious on the IGP handles. I want an i5 to replace my HTPC.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

Originally posted by: daw123

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

Originally posted by: geoffry
Ya, the price point doesn't seem too different if this is true.

The only thing I could see is cheaper mobos due to fewer features.

well MSI and Gigabytes X58 mobos run sub $200 right now (~$185). High end P45 run $130-150, that leaves very little wiggle room to price i5 board. Even if they price it @ $150 or so, we are talking about a $35 difference in boards and $30 in CPU, total difference $65 or so...

If the pricing points for the I5 are accurate, the only deciding factor that I can see is that the I5 (I believe) is dual channel whereas the I7 is triple channel, so you have to pay a bit more for RAM. Even so, the difference is going to be less than $100 (also taking into account the OP's comments above on MBs), so you might as well still go for I7.

Why would triple channel factor into a higher cost for i7 systems? i7 can run in dual channel as well; there's no need to go triple channel.

 

[daw123]

Originally posted by: cusideabelincoln

Originally posted by: daw123

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

Originally posted by: geoffry
Ya, the price point doesn't seem too different if this is true.

The only thing I could see is cheaper mobos due to fewer features.

well MSI and Gigabytes X58 mobos run sub $200 right now (~$185). High end P45 run $130-150, that leaves very little wiggle room to price i5 board. Even if they price it @ $150 or so, we are talking about a $35 difference in boards and $30 in CPU, total difference $65 or so...

If the pricing points for the I5 are accurate, the only deciding factor that I can see is that the I5 (I believe) is dual channel whereas the I7 is triple channel, so you have to pay a bit more for RAM. Even so, the difference is going to be less than $100 (also taking into account the OP's comments above on MBs), so you might as well still go for I7.

Why would triple channel factor into a higher cost for i7 systems? i7 can run in dual channel as well; there's no need to go triple channel.

You are right that it can run in dual channel, but if you have gone to the expense of a new MB and CPU (approx. $500), why the hell wouldn't you pay a bit extra and use triple channel RAM? Plus if you are recycling dual channel RAM (runs at 1.95V ish), then you have to severely undervolt it to get it to run correctly at 1.5 - 1.65V.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16820148245
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16820231223

There we are $45 - $80 for 3Gb or 6GB RAM. Either way the difference between running dual or triple channel is very little (say $30 for an extra DIMM), which is the figure I factored into my previous post.

 

[OCGuy]

I just really dont see the market for it, just like some of the GPUs being launched right now.

 

[Idontcare]

Repost?

 

[jones377]

TurboBoost on the "i5" (is that a confirmed name??) seems improved over i7. If those number are correct then "i5" can boost up to 5x on the multiplier compared to 3x on the i7 (or was it 2x on i7 and 3x on Xeon?)

 

[IntelUser2000]

Originally posted by: jones377
TurboBoost on the "i5" (is that a confirmed name??) seems improved over i7. If those number are correct then "i5" can boost up to 5x on the multiplier compared to 3x on the i7 (or was it 2x on i7 and 3x on Xeon?)

Core i7:

2-4 threads: 2x speed grade(133MHz x 2)
1 thread: 1x speed grade(133MHz x 1)

Xeon 5500:
4 threads: 2x speed grade(133MHz x 2)
1-3 threads: 3x speed grade(133MHz x 3)

You will see higher multiplier boosts on lower TDP parts.

 

[aka1nas]

It might be interesting to see if the integrated PCI-E controller on the I5 has much of a benefit in games. If it does, than the I5 + P55 will probably be a pretty good value for mainstream gamers who don't care about a multi-gpu setup.

 

[IntelUser2000]

I think we won't see stupid things like now with Core i7 outperforming everything in low resolutions(which indicates CPU superiority) but lower than others in high resolutions(maybe because of the extra hop it has to take).

 

[ilkhan]

The LGA1156 boards should start at $100, they might run up to $200, but thats still significant savings vs an X58 board.

 

[Sylvanas]

At this price range I might just wait a little longer for 32nm to arrive :/

 

[IntelUser2000]

How low do you want? I mean, its still a top-performing quad-core. It'll even probably beat i7's at high resolution, single GPU setup because of the integrated PCI Express controller. I thought the reason people were staying away from i7 was because of the cost of the motherboard. I don't believe in DDR3 being expensive because a 6GB DDR3-1333 from Corsair costs $110 Cdn(which is like 90 US). It makes me wonder how the memory vendors survive at all.

 

[geokilla]

As long as Intel CPUs get delayed, I'm a happy camper. Their tick-tock strategy is making me itch. And it's also driving AMD out of business.

 

[Jabbernyx]

$90? Have you seen all the recent ~$60-$70 deals for low-volt, low-timing 6GB DDR3-1600 kits?

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: aigomorla
Im just curious on the IGP handles. I want an i5 to replace my HTPC.

Why? Thats for havendale isnt it (the CPU+GPU MCM combo)? Im sure havendale is cancelled in favor for clarkdale which is 32nm. Correct me if I am wrong though.

From what I gather i5 is packed with 4 cores based on the nehalem architecture + PCI-e controller(DMI) + dual channel DDR3 IMC. If the cores themselves are relatively the same architecturally compared to i7, then there shoud'nt be a clock per clock difference between the i5s and i7s (assuming both are using dual channel DDR3 and HT on/off).

I think you can see why the lower end i7s (920/940) are going to be phased out, so that room can be made for the i5s since the performance will relatively be similiar unless the triple channel DDR3 comes into play. Guess its good time now to grab the 920s, before they go EOL.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug
Shortly after releasing these three processors, Intel is expected to deliver its first 32nm CPUs.

What are these 32nm processors going to be?

 

[Nemesis 1]

They going to be AMDs death. 2core 4 thread with shitty graphics on die. Waste of die space . But it will make intel billions

 

[Nemesis 1]

Ya know this 2.66 with know HT its really lol . Lots atre having fun with this. By the way I error yesterday. I got phone call about it . So I better make it right . I said I heard of a 2 core 4 thread beast that intel was releasing would be 4ghz . Will let Me say so all understand . THATS not True I am sorry . I was told this morning that 4ghz is not a stock base clock Turbo I asked got no reply.

But anyway that 2.66 is a joke literaly. Wait till you see its replacement LOL.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
What are these 32nm processors going to be?

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
They going to be AMDs death.

LOL

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
They going to be AMDs death. 2core 4 thread with shitty graphics on die. Waste of die space . But it will make intel billions

Wow. So they are releasing Fusion before AMD releases the real Fusion. Impressive. It's not a waste of die space. I was recently reflecting on how SNES games are more fun than modern games like Crysis. Most people could care less about 3D gaming.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: SickBeast

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
They going to be AMDs death. 2core 4 thread with shitty graphics on die. Waste of die space . But it will make intel billions

Wow. So they are releasing Fusion before AMD releases the real Fusion. Impressive. It's not a waste of die space. I was recently reflecting on how SNES games are more fun than modern games like Crysis. Most people could care less about 3D gaming.

dual-core déjà vu