The cramming had been going on for decades. Even Shanghai had them although the wacky fare wasn't there in the 50s and 60s. Back then fear of TB reigned.Factory farms don't breed trans-species strains because the animals are isolated from other species and the factory farms are isolated from each other as much as possible. The wet markets cram everything together. The lesson of trans-species diseases is birds, pigs, and humans: pick two. Putting all three together and diseases jump.
Haven't read, and may not cause I don't think I care. It's here, and needs to be dealt with. Things can be made "illegal" as much as you like, but if something is possible, it'll be done.
I'm curious about what the page looks like with scripting off. That's a peculiar arrangement, and I wonder how that happens?
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The thing is...It's possible to unleash worldwide nuclear warfare. Will it be done? Not everything possible happens. There are lots of conceivable actions that never occur. Laboratories should not work on producing doomsday viruses.
Except that knowing that would discourage it happening again, it would be known that the situation led to catastrophe, therefore don't let similar situations develop in the future.Pretend we know for a fact that China engineered the virus in a lab and then it got out accidentally or even on purpose. Now what? That's right. Not a god damned thing. Absolute mental masturbation. Just a complete waste of time.
Yeah, that's how human nature works.Except that knowing that would discourage it happening again, it would be known that the situation led to catastrophe, therefore don't let similar situations develop in the future.
Except that knowing that would discourage it happening again, it would be known that the situation led to catastrophe, therefore don't let similar situations develop in the future.
LoL humans learning from past mistakes. Never happens.Except that knowing that would discourage it happening again, it would be known that the situation led to catastrophe, therefore don't let similar situations develop in the future.
Could have been wet market, but I doubt it. Anyway, this isn't faith.Everybody absolutely knows wet markets are a time bombs waiting to go off but China still has those. I don't share your faith on this.
Yeah. I'm not sure the ramifications at this point are much different whether it came from a lab or from the wild.Pretend we know for a fact that China engineered the virus in a lab and then it got out accidentally or even on purpose. Now what? That's right. Not a god damned thing. Absolute mental masturbation. Just a complete waste of time.
I mean, no... if we can get a determination on why it happened, protocols, procedures, or lab design can change to prevent it from happening in the future. This is how our procedures for handling dangerous substances in labs developed/iterated toward the current status to begin with, I'd presume.Pretend we know for a fact that China engineered the virus in a lab and then it got out accidentally or even on purpose. Now what? That's right. Not a god damned thing. Absolute mental masturbation. Just a complete waste of time.
LOL wut did you just claim China is better than other countries at self-policing itself? "Removing" people will make better scientists? You can't possibly believe that.I'm guessing at this point policies and procedures are about as good as they get. Everyone(professional) knows what it takes to keep from spreading plague. Either someone ignored procedure, or it didn't come from a lab. China is the best case for enforcing procedure. They can just remove heads if people fuck up, but people will still fuckup, cause people. The rest of the world is in an even worse position.
The point is China will fucking kill you, or send you off to a work camp for a couple decades if you don't do your job right. If that doesn't provide sufficient motivation, nothing will.LOL wut did you just claim China is better than other countries at self-policing itself? "Removing" people will make better scientists? You can't possibly believe that.
I don't believe it's immaterial if the origin of SARS-CoV2 is provable found. Certainly there are geopolitical ramifications of a WIV lab leak "theory." In the U.S. itself, many people have already forgotten what a shit show the federal response was outside of Operation Warp Speed. Donald Trump would love nothing more than to have the emphasis redirected away from his culpability.
So lab safety protocol is technically perfect if followed, and failures to follow are completely independent of current standards? The only possible vector for lab escape is maliciousness?I'm guessing at this point policies and procedures are about as good as they get. Everyone(professional) knows what it takes to keep from spreading plague. Either someone ignored procedure, or it didn't come from a lab. China is the best case for enforcing procedure. They can just remove heads if people fuck up, but people will still fuckup, cause people. The rest of the world is in an even worse position.
But then you added people will still fuckup. I guess being tossed into a desert labor camp isn't sufficient motivation after all.The point is China will fucking kill you, or send you off to a work camp for a couple decades if you don't do your job right. If that doesn't provide sufficient motivation, nothing will.
Protocol only works if it's followed. there's almost no such thing as an "accident" anywhere, in any industry. "Stuff" usually happens when someone takes a shortcut, and doesn't do their job correctly. I don't work in bio research, or anywhere close to it, but I expect procedures are pretty solid by this point. All you have to do is follow them.So lab safety protocol is technically perfect if followed, and failures to follow are completely independent of current standards? The only possible vector for lab escape is maliciousness?
Really? So all materials manufacturing is perfect, all forging processes are without flaw? The only way that any protocols can fail is human failure? I suppose biomedical procedures stopped being updating at some point recently?Protocol only works if it's followed. there's almost no such thing as an "accident" anywhere, in any industry. "Stuff" usually happens when someone takes a shortcut, and doesn't do their job correctly. I don't work in bio research, or anywhere close to it, but I expect procedures are pretty solid by this point. All you have to do is follow them.
Even if we figured out exactly how it happened there are no guarantees that China or any other nation will follow the new improved protocols. Not to mention in my hypothetical scenario I said maybe it was released on purpose.I mean, no... if we can get a determination on why it happened, protocols, procedures, or lab design can change to prevent it from happening in the future. This is how our procedures for handling dangerous substances in labs developed/iterated toward the current status to begin with, I'd presume.
Probably not, but any information regarding an accidental release would be valuable to update protocols to prevent it, even if it's something dumb like 'make sure you have a buddy with you to make sure you do this part right'. And if it was malicious, that should be known to improve security protocols on whatever the source was that permitted the breach to happen.Even if we figured out exactly how it happened there are no guarantees that China or any other nation will follow the new improved protocols. Not to mention in my hypothetical scenario I said maybe it was released on purpose.
I have seen protective suits worn in laboratories. What I have seen has no resemblance to perfection. There is no perfectly safe laboratory structure or protocol. They have 4 levels of safety in virology labs. Level 4 > Level 3, etc. Don't kid yourself that Level 4 if scrupulously followed is utterly safe. Chernobyl was an unmitigated disaster. Fukushima was designed to withstand the worst reasonably anticipated seismic event. But one came along quite a bit bigger.Protocol only works if it's followed. there's almost no such thing as an "accident" anywhere, in any industry. "Stuff" usually happens when someone takes a shortcut, and doesn't do their job correctly. I don't work in bio research, or anywhere close to it, but I expect procedures are pretty solid by this point. All you have to do is follow them.