M1 Garand vs Mosin Nagant

[sjwaste]

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
If you haven't held either one, they are both huge, heavy guns.

.30-06 is kinda common, but the Garand wasn't made to shoot what is available off the shelf.

In between those two price wise, you can pick up an SKS. Still heavy, but relatively plentiful ammo and easy to keep going. Pretty simple design.

The Mosin is not a huge, heavy gun. At least not the M38 or M44. That's why the recoil is best described as devastating.

The M91/30, which is a rifle length, not a carbine like the above, is a lot better in that respect.

Agree on the SKS, but it is hard to find 7.62x39 these days.

 

[AndroidVageta]

M1 Grarand Carbine is the one I own, folding stock...the best semi-auto rifle in my opinion. Cheap to maintain, cheap to fire...ammo is plenty.

 

[AstroManLuca]

Originally posted by: AndroidVageta
M1 Grarand Carbine is the one I own, folding stock...the best semi-auto rifle in my opinion. Cheap to maintain, cheap to fire...ammo is plenty.

Wait, is it actually a folding stock carbine version of the Garand, or are you referring to the M1 Carbine, which is a completely different gun that uses a box magazine and a different caliber?

 

[Gothgar]

I want a Garand

I need a semi-auto rifle... hard to find a good legal one in California that isn't rape on price

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
If you haven't held either one, they are both huge, heavy guns.

.30-06 is kinda common, but the Garand wasn't made to shoot what is available off the shelf.

In between those two price wise, you can pick up an SKS. Still heavy, but relatively plentiful ammo and easy to keep going. Pretty simple design.

yeah, thats what i've heard as well.

OP picked some odd guns for SHTF scenarios

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
If you haven't held either one, they are both huge, heavy guns.

.30-06 is kinda common, but the Garand wasn't made to shoot what is available off the shelf.

In between those two price wise, you can pick up an SKS. Still heavy, but relatively plentiful ammo and easy to keep going. Pretty simple design.

yeah, thats what i've heard as well.

OP picked some odd guns for SHTF scenarios

They defeated the nazis, so there's a good chance that they'll defeat zombies too.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Originally posted by: sjwaste

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
If you haven't held either one, they are both huge, heavy guns.

.30-06 is kinda common, but the Garand wasn't made to shoot what is available off the shelf.

In between those two price wise, you can pick up an SKS. Still heavy, but relatively plentiful ammo and easy to keep going. Pretty simple design.

The Mosin is not a huge, heavy gun. At least not the M38 or M44. That's why the recoil is best described as devastating.

The M91/30, which is a rifle length, not a carbine like the above, is a lot better in that respect.

Agree on the SKS, but it is hard to find 7.62x39 these days.

91/30 is over 4 feet long and almost 10lbs. While not heavy, the center of gravity is forward of where shorter rifles like the M1 are. 91/30 being nearly a foot longer than the SKS (which is about the same weight). I mean it's not the end of the world, but it was one of the longest service rifles made.

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
If you haven't held either one, they are both huge, heavy guns.

.30-06 is kinda common, but the Garand wasn't made to shoot what is available off the shelf.

In between those two price wise, you can pick up an SKS. Still heavy, but relatively plentiful ammo and easy to keep going. Pretty simple design.

yeah, thats what i've heard as well.

OP picked some odd guns for SHTF scenarios

They defeated the nazis, so there's a good chance that they'll defeat zombies too.

They are good guns, but you have to consider that the last time they saw service was nearly 50 years ago. The were stored to go into combat at a moments notice, but haven't been expected to be drawn down for a few decades. I have a half dozen of them from the CMP, and none I would trust out of the box. Broken springs, timing problems, etc.

Once worked back into servicable condition I would trust one no problem.

If you really wanna get something dependable with good ammo availability (and have loads of cash), get an XCR (5.56) and/or for .308 a G1 FAL or G3/HK91. Any of which will run you around $2k

 

[Freshgeardude]

Originally posted by: alkemyst
I am not really a gun elitist...looking for real-world shooters.

I am looking for a gun for that end of world scenario. Most of the uber recommendations (like FN's) simply will not have any ammo around if the shit hits the fan.

I like the idea of the Mosin as it's a freaking monster when it comes to firing dirty and unmaintained, but I don't like the fact that some have reported buying them that were unshootable or dangerous/backfiring/etc.

If I did end up with the Mosin, I'd definitely drop another $100 or so on a nice stock. More than the gun is worth sure...but it'll pay off in handling it.

I intend to possibly buy a handgun as well, debating that a lot. I don't plan on a concealed carry I want something I know I can always find ammo for that will absofuckinglutely put my assailant down...I am concerned with shooting through body armor. Most of the thugs down here have better armor than the police.

i have both.....

in COD 5



it had to be done

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
If you haven't held either one, they are both huge, heavy guns.

.30-06 is kinda common, but the Garand wasn't made to shoot what is available off the shelf.

In between those two price wise, you can pick up an SKS. Still heavy, but relatively plentiful ammo and easy to keep going. Pretty simple design.

yeah, thats what i've heard as well.

OP picked some odd guns for SHTF scenarios

They defeated the nazis, so there's a good chance that they'll defeat zombies too.

that may be true, but they didn't have some of the guns we have now, which would be much better in that kind of scenario

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
If you haven't held either one, they are both huge, heavy guns.

.30-06 is kinda common, but the Garand wasn't made to shoot what is available off the shelf.

In between those two price wise, you can pick up an SKS. Still heavy, but relatively plentiful ammo and easy to keep going. Pretty simple design.

yeah, thats what i've heard as well.

OP picked some odd guns for SHTF scenarios

They defeated the nazis, so there's a good chance that they'll defeat zombies too.

that may be true, but they didn't have some of the guns we have now, which would be much better in that kind of scenario

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
If you haven't held either one, they are both huge, heavy guns.

.30-06 is kinda common, but the Garand wasn't made to shoot what is available off the shelf.

In between those two price wise, you can pick up an SKS. Still heavy, but relatively plentiful ammo and easy to keep going. Pretty simple design.

yeah, thats what i've heard as well.

OP picked some odd guns for SHTF scenarios

They defeated the nazis, so there's a good chance that they'll defeat zombies too.

that may be true, but they didn't have some of the guns we have now, which would be much better in that kind of scenario

Some folks still quote Bat Masterson on the best rifle to use. Granted he was a real deal gunfighter, but he was dead a quarter decade before 30+ round magazines and modern battle rifles were even invented

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
If you haven't held either one, they are both huge, heavy guns.

.30-06 is kinda common, but the Garand wasn't made to shoot what is available off the shelf.

In between those two price wise, you can pick up an SKS. Still heavy, but relatively plentiful ammo and easy to keep going. Pretty simple design.

yeah, thats what i've heard as well.

OP picked some odd guns for SHTF scenarios

They defeated the nazis, so there's a good chance that they'll defeat zombies too.

that may be true, but they didn't have some of the guns we have now, which would be much better in that kind of scenario

If someone breaks into my home, I'll grab my AR.

If Russians invade, I'm breaking out the M1.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

What if Russians break into your house?

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
If you haven't held either one, they are both huge, heavy guns.

.30-06 is kinda common, but the Garand wasn't made to shoot what is available off the shelf.

In between those two price wise, you can pick up an SKS. Still heavy, but relatively plentiful ammo and easy to keep going. Pretty simple design.

yeah, thats what i've heard as well.

OP picked some odd guns for SHTF scenarios

They defeated the nazis, so there's a good chance that they'll defeat zombies too.

what about nazi zombies?

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
If you haven't held either one, they are both huge, heavy guns.

.30-06 is kinda common, but the Garand wasn't made to shoot what is available off the shelf.

In between those two price wise, you can pick up an SKS. Still heavy, but relatively plentiful ammo and easy to keep going. Pretty simple design.

yeah, thats what i've heard as well.

OP picked some odd guns for SHTF scenarios

They defeated the nazis, so there's a good chance that they'll defeat zombies too.

that may be true, but they didn't have some of the guns we have now, which would be much better in that kind of scenario

guns have always had one purpose...the older ones will be the better on the flip side.

the 'r' designation much like how it is corrosive aren't really dealbreakers to those that know.l

I am really curious though if M1 ammo is more plentiful when all production stops.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
What if Russians break into your house?

leave vodka on the counter ftmfw?

 

[Squisher]

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
What if Russians break into your house?

You made me lol. :laugh:

 

[edro]

I have had both.
They are completely different. They are both a joy to shoot.

I would definitely get a Nosin to begin with. You can get a NICE one from a gun show for $200, or a shitty one for $120.
A shitty M1 will cost you over $700, and a nice one is over $1200.

Nosin's bolt action is fun, and the gun feels more like a clunky old Soviet tool, which is part of its appeal.
The M1 is much higher quality, heavier, smoother to shoot and has American history behind it.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
If you haven't held either one, they are both huge, heavy guns.

.30-06 is kinda common, but the Garand wasn't made to shoot what is available off the shelf.

In between those two price wise, you can pick up an SKS. Still heavy, but relatively plentiful ammo and easy to keep going. Pretty simple design.

yeah, thats what i've heard as well.

OP picked some odd guns for SHTF scenarios

They defeated the nazis, so there's a good chance that they'll defeat zombies too.

that may be true, but they didn't have some of the guns we have now, which would be much better in that kind of scenario

guns have always had one purpose...the older ones will be the better on the flip side.

the 'r' designation much like how it is corrosive aren't really dealbreakers to those that know.l

I am really curious though if M1 ammo is more plentiful when all production stops.

All production has effectively stopped. Same for 7.62x54r. There are a few folks out there still making small batches like Fiocchi. So buy a buncha ammo now and learn to reload

 

[alkemyst]

not looking for a first gun. Although I don't own guns now, I have shot alot.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: DEMO24

Originally posted by: alkemyst
I thought the 7.62 mosin was way more common than 30-06 M1 ammo

It shoots 7.62x54R, which is slightly different than the other more common forms of 7.62. Also more expensive to buy. Although ammoman has it for some decent prices.

More expensive? You can get 440 rounds of 7.62 NATO for less than $79? Where are you managing that? I sure as hell can't find that kind of a deal for 7.62 NATO.

The last time I bought 7.62x54R for my Mosin I paid $79 per 440 round ammo tin. The best I've been able to find for 7.62 NATO is about 4 times that much.

ZV

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

He's talkin' bout 7.62x39

 

[Born2bwire]

Originally posted by: sjwaste

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
If you haven't held either one, they are both huge, heavy guns.

.30-06 is kinda common, but the Garand wasn't made to shoot what is available off the shelf.

In between those two price wise, you can pick up an SKS. Still heavy, but relatively plentiful ammo and easy to keep going. Pretty simple design.

The Mosin is not a huge, heavy gun. At least not the M38 or M44. That's why the recoil is best described as devastating.

The M91/30, which is a rifle length, not a carbine like the above, is a lot better in that respect.

Agree on the SKS, but it is hard to find 7.62x39 these days.

The carbines are scatter guns though, and the attached bayonets can be a bit cumbersome. The full length Mosin's may be slightly lighter than the M1 but I dislike the straight bolt.

I would get the M1. They are very reliable, easy to take down (all you need is a bullet and a screwdriver to pretty much take the whole thing down, the screwdriver part can be part of a maintanence tool that fits into the hollow in the buttplate), and semi-automatic. In terms of cartridges, they are pretty much the same but I do dislike rimmed ammunition. Even though its tapered, you still need to be mindful of how you load rimmed cartridges to make sure they feed correctly from the magazine. The M1 also has better sights, not only do you get the rear peep sight but you also get windage adjustments.

You can get a good number of cans of aught six from the CMP. Lake City stuff, pretty good.

Personally, for a bolt action I prefer the Mausers. A K98k is a great rifle but the 8mm surplus is drying up if it hasn't already. The '03 Springfield is a great compromise. The Mauser action with windage sights (ladder on the original, peep on the A models) and it shoots the '06 cartridge. The Lee-Enfield has a really really slick action but it is hard to find .303.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: DeadByDawn
m1 by far.....

.30-06 is one of the most common rounds in the US
more accurate
better sights
better resale
semi auto


get one from odcmp.com

it's the cmp a quasi .gov organization

But can you reload the m1 before zombies rip your head off?

 

[Unheard]

Go with the Mosin if you are wanting to get out cheap. LEAVE THE DAMN STOCK ALONE THOUGH. 7.62x54R is dirt cheap right now, and still available. If you want to step up....


AK-47 the very best there is. When you absolutely, positively, gotta kill every mother fucker in the room, accept no substitutes.

I have an AK-47 and a Mosin. Both are super reliable, and ammo is still "cheap" (if you can find 7.62x39). 7.62 NATO is running around $100 for a SA Battle Pack, again, if you can find it.