MAC Haters

[Damascus]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Stop buying closed source, proprietary software from companies that dont believe in open standards, or when they believe in such standards its because they can change them.

Arrrrrgh but what about my games? I can't live without my games!!!

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: Lucky

Do you use OpenBSD on the desktop or plan on doing so in the near future? No? Way to keep an open mind!

I dont know WTF "openBSD" is! :Q Perhaps if I were to read up a little I might be interested.

Most secure BSD version, and not the easiest one (Mostly used for firewalls and such)

Maybe .03% of our customers asks if we also have the software we sell for Macs, about the same percentage which wants it on Linux. No reason for us to spend ages rewriting it for those OSes and buying hardware+software/hiring people just for that purpose.

Uh, great! Just because your customers in your corner of the world aren't interested matters to this conversation how?

Just have to respond to this one

Small part of our customer list:

Hewlett-Packard
Intel
Microsoft
SAP
Siemens
AT&T
Bell Atlantic
Deutsche Telekom
Ericsson
BMW
DaimlerChrysler
Rover
Volvo
NASA
KLM Royal Dutch Airlines
U.S. Federal Aviation Administration
U.S. Department of Defense
U.S. Bureau of the Census
Yahoo!
Dow Jones & Company
Bayer

Sorry, you were saying?

You can run NetBSD on a PDA. I guess there isn't a single OS or program that can't run on it then!

Your PDA lets you run quake3 or RTCW on it? Somehow I doubt that!

And that was exactly my point. You may be able to run RtCW on a Mac, but that doesn't mean every piece of software runs on it.

Indeed. Far more hardware is supported by Windows 2000/XP than by OS X, or can you prove me wrong?

Funny how you skipped the "software" part of my post. And no, I dont dispute what you are saying, its only logical that OS X need not support bazillions of pieces of hardware because its a closed format and the hardware would need to be mac compatible. I didnt take issue with that, read my post again.

I didn't skip it. Read the part above this one. You just misread/misunderstood it. And non-experienced computerers want to be compatible with their friends when it comes to software and documents (and often be able to run software they get from Kazaa ). Experienced once want to be able to mess around with hard- and software.

PC is faster, more versatile when looking at both hardware and software, the market demands Windows (It's what people know, and what most people have at home). If you think a PowerMac is better cause it is slowed and has less software, but can meet your specific needs, fine. It doesn't meet my demands, and therefor it is of no use to me. This has nothing to do with closedmindedness, this is meeting what the market wants. If you are looking for the fastest computer you don't buy a 286 or Mac, it's as simple as that.

Is sure is closed mindedness! You seem to only care about specs! Thats perfectly fine! I like having my fast PC's that can bench 300fps too. However there is a certain elegance and grace to my g4 that I enjoy. Going back to my car analogy you dont buy a car on specs and price alone, you make sure it fits your personality and style. I find the g4 complements my PC in my computer use.

BTW, you seem to be confusing what YOU want and need with what the MARKET wants. You are NOT the market!

And why are you still talking about who is the fastest? Who has disputed that? Get over it already!

If the people on the street and companies wanted pretty cases rather than compatibility and speed we'd have iMacs everywhere, yet we don't. I'm not the only PC owner you know... A whole lot more people buy PCs than Macs, the 'market' wants it. I am not saying that it doesn't meet your needs, I'm saying that most people aren't interested in it.

Power Mac G4 computers and Macintosh Server G4 systems contain synchronous dynamic random-access memory (SDRAM)--one of the fastest memory technologies available today. SDRAM improves performance and reliability by synchronizing memory speed with the speed of the central processor so that data can be delivered continuously and more rapidly to the processor.

Ok idiot, you've already brought that up once. From what I've heard the current G4's wouldnt benefit much from DDR anyways, but the so called "g5" will feature it. X-serve already does.

Name calling isn't very nice. I just thought it was cute that they claim SDRAM is one of the fastest memory technologies available today

P.P.S. Sun and Apple just announced that Star Office will be released for Macs next year, OpenOffice will be released for it the end of this year.

Your point is? The news article says " To date, no major PC makers have pledged to heavily promote StarOffice.", so are you applauding apple for promoting an alternative to microsoft?

No, just saw it and thought I'd post some news here rather than opening a new thread.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Bumping another Mac thread

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Czar
In a sense yes, when I bash macs because of OS issues and often stability issues then yes. But the rest still goes, almost impossible to upgrade, little software support compared to pc's, expensive, expensive, top of the line macs slow compared to top of the line pc's.

Its been noted that all parts can be upgraded. Motherboards seem to be the hardest part.
There is plenty of software out there for it.
It is expensive.
It is slower at most things.

Ah yes, all parts except the motherboard can be upgraded. Let me see one of those Mac fans upgrade their Mac with a P4 2.5GHz and DDR400.

Of course not. You are still stuck in the x86 mindset.

Oh wait... can't do that right? PowerPC is not the standard at the moment,

Its standard in all Macs.

Intel/AMD are.

They are not a standard in computers. They may be standard in x86 computers, but not all computers. They just sell the most.

If Apple would quit being anal about the hard-/software combos maybe more people would use their OS at least.

They are a hardware company.

They want to release an Intel based Mac in the future I think,

I am sure they have considered it, but they have probably also considered AMD.

but they still want to put in their own mobo, so you will still be restricted by whatever they decide on putting in.

They have to sell hardware.

And on 'The Mac supports other mice too!!!': If you bought a house and got it without toilets, but with a hole in the back garden, and the person selling it would tell you that it '...supports indoor plumbing too!', would you feel ripped off? If there even is software which REQUIRES 3 mouse buttons, why don't they at least supply a 2 mouse button mouse with it?

Would you not buy a mouse because the toilets were not to your liking? They offer a mouse, just not one you like.

P.S. The Apple_gamers video rox, and proves a good point. As long as stuff like that does not change 99% of the people won't even consider using it.

I agree, the apple gamer video was funny.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Czar
I would like to know one thing from mac supporters.

What does the Mac have that the PC doesnt? (apart from MacOSX ofcorse)

Software for Mac OS X

Open Firmware

PPC architecture (its a plus, ask me why sometime )

I can run Windows software, Linux software, BSD software, older Mac software all on one machine.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Czar
ermm.. what can the mac do better than the pc?

For a Mac user, everything. Its also decent at RC5 and other encryption type things.

 

[zsouthboy]

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1

Originally posted by: Lucky
ooh, and let me add one last thing before I get repetitive...

Most sensible people dont buy a car on price and specs alone. They test drive it, see how it feels, and if it fits their personality. Some people prefer cars with better interiors, or nicer wheels, and will pay more for that. That's because if you use something every day, you want to be comfortable with it and how it works. Dare I use this analogy but some people buy macs using similar reasoning.



Czar, two words: Sexy cases! :Q

One word: Casemodding!

Case 1
Case 2
Case 3

Uhhhh... links are 403.

zs

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1

Originally posted by: Lucky

So? It still means there are a whole lot less programs for a Mac.

Great! I can have twice as much crap programs to choose from!

So instead of being able to choose from 1 decent Mac game you are able to choose from 100 or more decent PC games? What's bad about that?

It has been ages since I used a Mac

Well gee-whiz golly, what a surpise.

Mostly due to the fact that there is nothing worthwhile for me to use on Macs. Sure I can run some programs on Macs too which I use under Windows or FreeBSD, but why would I bother buying a slower Mac for those few when I can't run the rest of the software on it and will need a PC for that anyway?[/quote]

You get more software choice with a Mac. Show me how to run Mac software on an x86 machine.

and I don't plan on using it anytime soon again either.

Way to keep an open mind!

Do you use OpenBSD on the desktop or plan on doing so in the near future? No? Way to keep an open mind!

Yes. Ive also used: FreeBSD, Linux (various distros), BeOS, and various versions of DOS and Win2k.

I have no use for it,

Great! Then why bother bitching about it?

unless Mac suddenly changes totally and can run on the best hardware available,

They do, its just not the fastest

and gives stuff I want/need which I can't get from PCs

Which is?

there is no reason for me to consider it. Maybe .03% of our customers asks if we also have the software we sell for Macs, about the same percentage which wants it on Linux.

And what kind of software is that? Where are you? What is the software used for? It makes a difference.

No reason for us to spend ages rewriting it for those OSes and buying hardware+software/hiring people just for that purpose.

Create 1 version that works on Mac OS X and Linux. You just gained .06%. It can make a difference if your software company is as big as you are hinting at

I like to be able to get software in a store instead of either having to order nline or to search for that 1 European shop which sells Mac stuff

Well get out of bumf*ck netherlands and you might be able to! Besides, its no different than having to live in a small town here in the US. I cant just goto the store and buy software either, I have to order online. That doesnt mean that PC's suck because I live in a bad location!

So you mean that in the USA there are dozens of shops selling Mac stuff per town? That there are thousands in NY alone? The market is much smaller and therefor there are far less stores for it. The ones that exist often are for the 'dumb users': Those only sell iMacs with MS Office.

I can think of atleast 2 in my local area. Ill ignore the "dumb users" comment, because if you knew me, you probably wouldnt say this mac user is dumb (all the time ).

I like to be able to run all the programs I want

I do too! Since you confirmed there is RTCW for mac, I guess there isnt a single proggie I couldnt get on the mac!

You can run NetBSD on a PDA. I guess there isn't a single OS or program that can't run on it then!
RtCW can run on it, but it will be faster on a new PC. I like to play on 64 player servers, I don't like to play on 64 player servers with 3 fps as maximum.

I can run more software on my Mac than you can on your x86 based machine (virtual pc ).

I like being able to not worry about whether a software or hardware manufacturer actually bothered to support Macs

Like windows users dont have to worry about whether the software or hardware supports windows 2000/windows xp/longhorn?

Indeed. Far more hardware is supported by Windows 2000/XP than by OS X, or can you prove me wrong? How many hardware suppliers only have drivers for OS X and not for Windows?

Not many. Does it matter? No. Much like the amount of software you mentioned earlier, 99% of the hardware out there IS CRAP. I dont want 99% of the software out there touching the 1% of the hardware out there I decided to buy. Why? Its all crap.

I have no reason to even consider using it.

Well fine but that doesnt mean the PC is inherently better! They each serve different purposes, but I wouldnt expect you to understand that with you limited knowledge of moden macs and you closed mindedness to them.

PC is faster,

Ok. MhZ gOoD!!!!!1!!1!1!!

more versatile when looking at both hardware

Its got more crap hardware! YaY!

and software,

The more bugs the better!

the market demands Windows

I dont.

(It's what people know,

I dont.

and what most people have at home).

Again, I dont

But most do, I understand, just wanted to point out Im a dumb Mac user. (I just happen to have OpenBSD, FreeBSD, and Linux installed on various machines... )

If you think a PowerMac is better cause it is slowed

Its slower. How are your RC5 scores?

and has less software,

I can run more software on my Mac than you can on your x86 based machine.

but can meet your specific needs, fine. It doesn't meet my demands, and therefor it is of no use to me. This has nothing to do with closedmindedness, this is meeting what the market wants. If you are looking for the fastest computer you don't buy a 286 or Mac, it's as simple as that.

Bwahahahaha! I think thats one of the stupidest things Ive ever heard! Use what you know. You are too closed minded to learn a Mac, fine. I can live with that. Run Mac OS X, or iMovie, or iTunes faster than my Mac

P.S. From store.apple.com:

Power Mac G4 computers and Macintosh Server G4 systems contain synchronous dynamic random-access memory (SDRAM)--one of the fastest memory technologies available today. SDRAM improves performance and reliability by synchronizing memory speed with the speed of the central processor so that data can be delivered continuously and more rapidly to the processor.

pc133 SDRam is still being used in plenty of x86 based machines.

P.P.S. Sun and Apple just announced that Star Office will be released for Macs next year, OpenOffice will be released for it the end of this year.

Sun has the advantage. Not that I really care, those OpenOffice people must be friends with the Mozilla guys. :/

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Damascus

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Stop buying closed source, proprietary software from companies that dont believe in open standards, or when they believe in such standards its because they can change them.

Arrrrrgh but what about my games? I can't live without my games!!!

Good for you. I like games too, thats why I bought a ps2.

 

[Pixelated]

I am neither a Mac Hater nor a Mac fanatic, but when you break it all down, why would someone pay so much more for a Mac when a PC can do just the same.

ya ya, graphics programs run slightly better, just slightly, on a Mac, but not fast enough to justify the price.

ya ya, it might look prettier, but do you need it to look pretty when all it does is sit under your desk and run your programs?

From my experience, (since we have both PCs and Macs in the office and have our fair share of Mac enthusiasts), it seems that people that lean towards Macs tend to be anti-Microsoft, tend to not care that they pay more for something that does exactly the same as a PC, and are a bit more materialistic and tend to like things that are "pretty".

My PC seems to be just as fast as my Mac at work, if not faster. And yes, I use Photoshop, Illustator, etc.

But I own three PCs at home. It would seem idiotic for me to pay so much more for a system that doesn't deliver more than my PC. But if all you want to pay more for a Mac than a PC when the PC will do just the same, go right ahead, nobody's stopping you.

 

[i3rYs0n]

um, i forgot if i already replied, i don't think i did, but



I HATE MAC's THEY ARE ALL OVER MY FREAKING SCHOOL GEEAH

I'm gonna e-mail this thread to the Teacher of the mac lab

Bryson

 

[LongCoolMother]

i hate mac, and i hate mac people.

see ya later, mac

 

[Pixelated]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Damascus

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Stop buying closed source, proprietary software from companies that dont believe in open standards, or when they believe in such standards its because they can change them.

Arrrrrgh but what about my games? I can't live without my games!!!

Good for you. I like games too, thats why I bought a ps2.

hmmmm... let's see. pay way too much for a system that doesn't outperform the competition and can't play games, and then turn around to pay another $200 for a ps2 because the overpriced system you just bought can't play the games that the competition can.

makes sense... riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

 

[kazeakuma]

Originally posted by: ToBeMe
I actually don't have much of a gripe with Mac's.....................my gripe is only with the fanatical owners who will go out of their way to trash PC's at any oppertunity, so, I brush up on all the Mac "shortcomings" just so I can talk trash back at them..........

I'm pretty much the same. Except I don't like using them either. Or supporting them in a multi-os environment :|

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

When I say that most Apple stores you are able to find are for 'dumb users' I by no means implicate that all Mac users are dumb. There are also loads of PC stores for 'dumb users', stores where the sales rep doesn't know what the difference between a computer and a CPU is, and where customers come to buy a complete pre-installed computer with MS Office and an AOL account.

And concerning SDRAM: I know it's still sold, even in P4 systems, but it is by no means one of the fastest types of memory anymore. That's the part I found funny, that they twist the truth a bit.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Czar
ermm.. what can the mac do better than the pc?

For a Mac user, everything. Its also decent at RC5 and other encryption type things.

ah forgot about rc5 where the mac kicks ass

but if you want to get something done and the OS interface doesnt matter (differs from person to person on which they like better) then what can the mac do better than the pc?

 

[Lucky]

What can windows do better than linux? :Q

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Lucky
What can windows do better than linux? :Q

ermm..... run windows software?

 

[StattlichPassat]

Originally posted by: pcman2002b
Everyone and anyone that hates Macintosh computers please reply to this message. I want to see how long of a list of different complaints, gripes, and problems people have with Macintosh's and pretty much Apple Computers in general.

Especially reply if you have seen Apple's latest ad campaign for their OSX. You know the one that totally trashes Windows, I know Apple's OS is no gem either. So Come On. Reply see if we can get it up to like 200 replies or something.

Oh, seriously? Rock on! I've been avoiding this thread for days because I thought it was some Apple-evangelist flaming everyone on the board. It just grew and grew, and I was like "holy crap! I'm really gonna stay out of that one...", but my nerve got the best of me and I decided to check it out.

Well frankly, I have never actively used a Mac before. I don't have any intention to, as my PC is superior to pretty much anything Apple makes. Am I wrong? I don't think so. An intelligent person only has to look at market shares nationwide to see how great the ratio is of PCs to Macs. It's big. Really freaking big. Coincidence? I don't think so. Consumers buy what is most worthwhile to them, and pay the respected manufacturers what that product is worth to them. You can't argue with the market. If Apples are so easy to use, then why don't more people use them? Even the iMac didn't put hardly a dent into the PC market. Heck, I don't even KNOW anyone who has an iMac, let alone a Mac, period.

But case in point, and to sum it up, the reason I Apple is because of the stupid 'Switch' campaign that they're thwarting upon consumers using complete idiots as spokespersons. Yeah, that's a good way to sell a product you're trying to market as 'superior'. The only Apple product I will buy in the near future is the iPod. Apple does some things right (and the sweet grey/clear PowerMac G4 cases), but not enough things to take on and beat the PC market. Apple is the loud, pesky, annoying, stupid kid that won't leave the PC market alone, even though he's currently pretty worthless to society.

 

[Lucky]

Well frankly, I have never actively used a Mac before. I don't have any intention to, as my PC is superior to pretty much anything Apple makes. Am I wrong? I don't think so.

Christ, thats ridiculous. Never used a mac but you can make that statement?

An intelligent person only has to look at market shares nationwide to see how great the ratio is of PCs to Macs. It's big. Really freaking big. Coincidence? I don't think so.

Well gee, dell sells more of its desktops than IBM sells of its supercomputers but that doesnt make the dell computers better. Microsoft's market share of operating system dwarfs that of linux, but it certainly doesnt make windows superior. You are using faulty logic.

Consumers buy what is most worthwhile to them, and pay the respected manufacturers what that product is worth to them. You can't argue with the market. If Apples are so easy to use, then why don't more people use them? Even the iMac didn't put hardly a dent into the PC market. Heck, I don't even KNOW anyone who has an iMac, let alone a Mac, period.

Well great, but just because you hang out with people that dont own mac doesnt mean they aren't out there. Yes, they are overpriced and therefore many people avoid them, no question. As far as iMac, I've worked at two newspapers where iMac where exclusively used for photographers to input and edit their photographs after a day's shooting. they are space saving, easy to use, and do the job required.

Apple is the loud, pesky, annoying, stupid kid that won't leave the PC market alone, even though he's currently pretty worthless to society.

worthless? haha, pretty funny coming from someone who has never used one. If anyone is the loud, annoying, and pesky kid in the market its either microsoft or AOL.

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: NightFlyerGTI

Originally posted by: pcman2002b
Everyone and anyone that hates Macintosh computers please reply to this message. I want to see how long of a list of different complaints, gripes, and problems people have with Macintosh's and pretty much Apple Computers in general.

Especially reply if you have seen Apple's latest ad campaign for their OSX. You know the one that totally trashes Windows, I know Apple's OS is no gem either. So Come On. Reply see if we can get it up to like 200 replies or something.

Oh, seriously? Rock on! I've been avoiding this thread for days because I thought it was some Apple-evangelist flaming everyone on the board. It just grew and grew, and I was like "holy crap! I'm really gonna stay out of that one...", but my nerve got the best of me and I decided to check it out.

Well frankly, I have never actively used a Mac before. I don't have any intention to, as my PC is superior to pretty much anything Apple makes. Am I wrong? I don't think so. An intelligent person only has to look at market shares nationwide to see how great the ratio is of PCs to Macs. It's big. Really freaking big. Coincidence? I don't think so. Consumers buy what is most worthwhile to them, and pay the respected manufacturers what that product is worth to them. You can't argue with the market. If Apples are so easy to use, then why don't more people use them? Even the iMac didn't put hardly a dent into the PC market. Heck, I don't even KNOW anyone who has an iMac, let alone a Mac, period.

But case in point, and to sum it up, the reason I Apple is because of the stupid 'Switch' campaign that they're thwarting upon consumers using complete idiots as spokespersons. Yeah, that's a good way to sell a product you're trying to market as 'superior'. The only Apple product I will buy in the near future is the iPod. Apple does some things right (and the sweet grey/clear PowerMac G4 cases), but not enough things to take on and beat the PC market. Apple is the loud, pesky, annoying, stupid kid that won't leave the PC market alone, even though he's currently pretty worthless to society.

Ooooooh, market share? better not go buy one of them there Ferraris, they have such a small marketshare it is rediculous so those cars has to be REAL bad...

 

[StattlichPassat]

Yes yes... here we go...

<fans the flames>

 

[Lucky]

Originally posted by: NightFlyerGTI
Yes yes... here we go...

<fans the flames>

why dont you just say something worthwhile? Or are you too busy spying on your roomate and his friends?

 

[ShotgunSteven]

I love the one commercial. "I had a PC for ten years, but I just couldn't figure it out." I guess the users they dug up are proud to be dumbasses.

One button mouse, crawls like a sloth when running basic applications, locks up/crashes several times daily, whereas I have not had a lock-up on my PC since I switched to XP and started using generic NVidia drivers versus the so-called XP compatible ones.

 

[Lucky]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteve
I love the one commercial. "I had a PC for ten years, but I just couldn't figure it out." I guess the users they dug up are proud to be dumbasses.

heh.

One button mouse,

Oh brother...

up/crashes several times daily, whereas I have not had a lock-up on my PC since I switched to XP and started using generic NVidia drivers versus the so-called XP compatible ones.

So you admit that out of the box and using recommended drivers XP is NOT stable? Did you ever try something similar with the Mac? What OS were you using?