MAC Haters

[rendicil]

To Quote PA

"Hello... My Name is Raven and I am an Elitist Asshole"

 

[skace]

I think YOU need to put down the pipe, get some decent glasses, and increase the font size because you are obviously having trouble reading other peoples' posts. Because if you were able to read correctly, you would notice that he said it can ALSO run RC5. And no sh1t a PS2 is not the same as a PC. No one here said anything otherwise. n0cmonkey was just making the point that he uses his Mac for work and a PS2 for games.

Yes he said it can ALSO run RC5, but RC5 was the only product he could actually name. The other stuff he said would be better: for a mac user, everything . Wtf does that mean? As far as I'm concerned he basically said the only thing that works better on a Mac is RC5, unless you have a sick bias towards Macs, then everything. FYI, I increased my font size and I still read the same line I quoted! :Q :Q

And you can put words in Noc's mouth saying he was just "saying" he uses a mac for work and a ps2 in games, but what he really said was this: "Good for you. I like games too, thats why I bought a ps2." He didn't say anything about his reasons for owning a PS2 or what he does with his other machines. I was simply pointing out that his reply was stupid, since the PS2 doesn't play PC games which is a critical fact IN A THREAD ABOUT PC VS MAC.

 

[PowerMac4Ever]

Originally posted by: skace

I think YOU need to put down the pipe, get some decent glasses, and increase the font size because you are obviously having trouble reading other peoples' posts. Because if you were able to read correctly, you would notice that he said it can ALSO run RC5. And no sh1t a PS2 is not the same as a PC. No one here said anything otherwise. n0cmonkey was just making the point that he uses his Mac for work and a PS2 for games.

Yes he said it can ALSO run RC5, but RC5 was the only product he could actually name. The other stuff he said would be better: for a mac user, everything . Wtf does that mean? As far as I'm concerned he basically said the only thing that works better on a Mac is RC5, unless you have a sick bias towards Macs, then everything. FYI, I increased my font size and I still read the same line I quoted! :Q :Q

And you can put words in Noc's mouth saying he was just "saying" he uses a mac for work and a ps2 in games, but what he really said was this: "Good for you. I like games too, thats why I bought a ps2." He didn't say anything about his reasons for owning a PS2 or what he does with his other machines. I was simply pointing out that his reply was stupid, since the PS2 doesn't play PC games which is a critical fact IN A THREAD ABOUT PC VS MAC.

First off, it was BLATANTLY obvious that he said he used his PS2 for games. Not only that, one does not have to SAY what they use a PS2 for considering it's a gaming console you jackass. Wait! He uses MS Word on his PS2!

Yes, I am aware of the topic of the thread. I guess you're not aware that there are some people who prefer console games over computer games. Also, from what you said, you assume that everyone that owns a computer plays games on it. Not so.

Try again...

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: PowerMac4Ever

Originally posted by: SnapIT

Originally posted by: PowerMac4Ever

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteve
One button mouse, crawls like a sloth when running basic applications, locks up/crashes several times daily, whereas I have not had a lock-up on my PC since I switched to XP and started using generic NVidia drivers versus the so-called XP compatible ones.

Oh, so that's why you LAG IT UP on battle.net... because of your super-stable fast computer. Biased slut.

Hey, guess what.. every Mac I've used never crashed ever on me. My current Win2k computer crashes all the time. "Personal Experiences" posted by you and others only express your personal biases. Do you get it, or should I explain again?

biased slut? YUP...

How long have you been using Mac's... I will not mention MSOS's because i hate them as much as i hate OSX... two months... EVERYONE, even the hardcore Mac fanatics will admit that any previous OS was unstable and crappy...

Exaggerating does NOT prove your point... compared to earlier macOS's W2K is a dream of stability...

I made that statement to prove the point that one should not listen to the biased people here. My biased comments obviously sounded wrong to PC users just as the PC users' biased comments sound wrong to Mac users. THAT, sir, was my point. BTW, did you read the whole thread? Because I basically said the same thing earlier.

Obviously you have NOT read the entire thread, then you would see that i have already adressed and answered these points...

So if i say that i have never ever experienced a problem with 300 athlon based pc's running slackware... i am wrong? i would not think so... soooo... your statement just shows ignorance... nothing more, nothing less...

 

[Torghn]

MAC's suck becuase games run twice as slow as they do an a PC that cost half as much.

 

[TheOmegaCode]

Originally posted by: Torghn
MAC's suck becuase games run twice as slow as they do an a PC that cost half as much.

says a lamer...

Don't worry, I'm a lamer too, just one that respects diversity...

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Pixelated

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Damascus

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Stop buying closed source, proprietary software from companies that dont believe in open standards, or when they believe in such standards its because they can change them.

Arrrrrgh but what about my games? I can't live without my games!!!

Good for you. I like games too, thats why I bought a ps2.

hmmmm... let's see. pay way too much for a system that doesn't outperform the competition and can't play games, and then turn around to pay another $200 for a ps2 because the overpriced system you just bought can't play the games that the competition can.

makes sense... riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

Not all the games I like come out on any computer. Plus, I have real work to do on my computers.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: skace

For a Mac user, everything. Its also decent at RC5 and other encryption type things

That is pretty bad that the only noteworthy use for a mac is RC5.

Read what I said again.

Like I would buy a computer to run a freeware piece of software thats only purpose is to make my computer useful when I'm not using it.

I guess you arent into DC.

But, then again, since the Mac would be useless,

To you maybe.

I guess RC5 would get a lot of work .

Thats a good thing

Oh yea, and buying a PS2 is not actually the same as owning a PC,

I never said it was.

whoever said that.

Not me, but I did mention having a ps2 so I can play games.

PS2 plays about as many PC games as the Mac does,

Less in fact. Macs are PCs.

so put down the pipe.

When the games I like come out on PCs (mac or x86) for operating systems I feel morally ok to purchase, I will buy them (Quake 3 for Linux). Until then, Ill stick with the games I like. It only makes sense.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: SnapIT

Originally posted by: TheOmegaCode
How many of these arguments can be turned against x86 companies? Microsoft has stupid commercials, so does Intel. I think that variety is a good thing, why should someone be held back by just one type of architecture?
As for Macs vs PC's, that's stupid, Mac's are PC's; say something like RISC vs x86.
Mac's being more expensive, I'll agree there (if you don't count software). Most people who say that Mac's are by FAR more expensive usually download all their software illegally (remember, XP and Adobe products aren't supposed to be FREE).

Personally i don't give a rats a$$ about the commercials... however, since you brought it up i will answer...

If you do not like Intel, buy AMD or even Via... there are three options... (i will not say anything regarding the huge flop transmeta)... If you do not like MS, then do NOT buy a mac, if it weren't for MS, you couldn't buy a mac even if you wanted too...

Microsoft also helped make the x86 market what it is today

Linux and gimp are free,

But Linux is a poor substitute for a desktop OS, for me.

so are lots and lot's of other programs, for both PC and mac...

Macs are PCs.

the difference is...

I can buy my own hardware,

Me too!

put it together,

Me too!

configure it the way i want it,

Me too!

install the OS of choice

Me too!

without having to pay for one i don't want...

Notice a trend? Me too!

i simply have more choices...

And less software choices

Let's face it, if computer were politics, the PC

Mac or x86?

would be the free world

If you mean x86, then I think 3rd world would be the best analogy.

and the Mac would be the equivalent of China,

No, thats not quite right...

north korea

Definitely not!

or the old soviet union...

*sigh* No, not that either. Think of a richer, better looking, kinda hip country, thats Macland.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: rendicil
To Quote PA

"Hello... My Name is Raven and I am an Elitist Asshole"

As a Mac user, and BSD fanatic, I will not deny my "Elitist Asshole" status.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: skace

I think YOU need to put down the pipe, get some decent glasses, and increase the font size because you are obviously having trouble reading other peoples' posts. Because if you were able to read correctly, you would notice that he said it can ALSO run RC5. And no sh1t a PS2 is not the same as a PC. No one here said anything otherwise. n0cmonkey was just making the point that he uses his Mac for work and a PS2 for games.

Yes he said it can ALSO run RC5, but RC5 was the only product he could actually name.

You want a list of software that the Mac will run better than an x86 machine? Ill name two off the top of my head: caraccho and omniweb

The other stuff he said would be better: for a mac user, everything . Wtf does that mean?

It means that a Mac would run *EVERY FRIGGIN PIECE OF SOFTWARE BETTER* to a Mac user. As in, if you are used to using a Mac, and that is what you know, and that is what you are comfortable with, you will think it runs the software better. It would make perfect sense if you took your time.

As far as I'm concerned he basically said the only thing that works better on a Mac is RC5,

Not quite.

unless you have a sick bias towards Macs,

Nothing sick about it.

then everything.

Yes, if you prefer a Mac, everything runs better on it. It makes sense if you think about it.

FYI, I increased my font size and I still read the same line I quoted! :Q :Q

And you can put words in Noc's

n0c, cant you read?

mouth saying he was just "saying" he uses a mac for work and a ps2 in games, but what he really said was this: "Good for you. I like games too, thats why I bought a ps2."

To me that meant: "I like games, I play them on my ps2." Ill dumb it down for you next time. Tell your mommy, or whoever is reading this to you, that Im sorry

He didn't say anything about his reasons for owning a PS2

Yes I did, I said I like games.

or what he does with his other machines.

No one asked. The topic at the time was games. I talked about games.

I was simply pointing out that his reply was stupid,

nuh-uh!

since the PS2 doesn't play PC games

But Macs do, since Macs are PCs.

which is a critical fact IN A THREAD ABOUT PC VS MAC.

I dont like computer games. The games I like are on the ps2.

 

1. Designed for simple people
2. One mouse button
3. Horrible keyboard
4. Constant crashes (all the macs I'v even come close to have been like that)
5. Innificiant gui
6. One mouse button (realy hate that)
7. Mac users think for some reason that macs are more powerful than pc's when its been proven otherwise (link1,link2)
8. Mac users think of Steve Jobs as their cult leader and Macworld as a big cult gathering (said so themselves)
9. One mouse button
10. Built for looks

1. Simple is good. Windows is clunky.
2. Or two mouse buttons, or five.
3. I use an Apple Pro keyboard on my PC. Best kb ever made.
4. XP crashes a lot.
5. OS X blows XP's clunky GUI away
6. See #2
7. Who cares? Other than games what apps really tax a 1Ghz PC?
8. Windows users think Bill Gates as their cult leader, bla bla bla
9. See #6
10. And functionality. Some of that style spills into the OS, where Windows is just ugly all around.

I am a PC user, but at this point in the game, other than games, there is nothing a PC can do that a Mac can't. The only problem with Macs is the price.

 

[Torghn]

Originally posted by: TheOmegaCode

Originally posted by: Torghn MAC's suck becuase games run twice as slow as they do an a PC that cost half as much.

says a lamer... Don't worry, I'm a lamer too, just one that respects diversity...

Maybe so, but I am right.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Torghn

Originally posted by: TheOmegaCode

Originally posted by: Torghn MAC's suck becuase games run twice as slow as they do an a PC that cost half as much.

says a lamer... Don't worry, I'm a lamer too, just one that respects diversity...

Maybe so, but I am right.

To you.

 

[SnapIT]

Okey, N0cmonkey, this is it, the final test... if you can convince me, i will try it...

Can you choose from a lot of motherboars?
Can you choose a CPU from three (actually two, who am i kidding) manufacturers
Can you choose which video card you want seated in your AGP slot?
Can you choose which HDD it will be delievered with (at this point, praise the old macs, SCSI is SUPERIOR!!!!)
Can you choose which case you want it in...

It is all about choices... i will not argue software as you and I seem to have the same opinions regarding that area...

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Torghn

Originally posted by: TheOmegaCode

Originally posted by: Torghn MAC's suck becuase games run twice as slow as they do an a PC that cost half as much.

says a lamer... Don't worry, I'm a lamer too, just one that respects diversity...

Maybe so, but I am right.

To you.

That post is the enigma of this thread, the best post...

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: Lucky

I would think that he presumed they wouldn't use an even older version of it than the latest. He was overestimating Apple

Or maybe he *gasp* ordered older machines!

Apple claimed these were top of the line. Their top of the line machines use PC100?

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: SnapIT
Okey, N0cmonkey, this is it, the final test... if you can convince me, i will try it...

Can you choose from a lot of motherboars?

I dont need to. There is a stable and quick brand out there. I choose from between a whopping 2 x86 based motherboards as it is. Anything else I have tried has let me down (for serious machines).

Can you choose a CPU from three (actually two, who am i kidding) manufacturers

There are 2 major manufacturers of PPC processors.

Can you choose which video card you want seated in your AGP slot?

Yes. Between Matrox, nVidia, and ATi. Are there any other reasonable choices?

Can you choose which HDD it will be delievered with (at this point, praise the old macs, SCSI is SUPERIOR!!!!)

I can choose size. I cant choose much of anything else at Dell's site. If I want something different I can install it myself.

Can you choose which case you want it in...

Yes. The case I would want it in is available

It is all about choices...

And with the way I choose to use computers, a Mac is a reasonable choice. I have never *EVER* said Macs were the best choice for everyone. I have only said they are a viable and reasonable choice for some people. I consider myself to be one of the people that can get a use out of a Mac, even though I dont do video or image editing.

i will not argue software as you and I seem to have the same opinions regarding that area...

Macs have more choices

Overall, there are two major considerations when choosing a computer (in my opinion).
1. What do you want to do?
2. What do you know?

Performance comes in third at best to me. Besides building major software projects, running a lot of daemons, and running hardware intensive daemons I dont do anything hardware intensive on my machines.

Would I use a Mac as a major database server? No, thats what Sun is around for
Would I use it as a multi-user shell server? No, there is Linux and FreeBSD for that.
Would I use it as a firewall? Nope, I have OpenBSD.
Would I use it as a webserver? Nope. OpenBSD, FreeBSD, and linux are all better in that area (in my opinion).
Would I use it as a streaming media server? Yes.
Would I use it as a desktop? I cant find much better.
Is Windows 2000 as good of a desktop OS FOR ME? No, it doesnt have the software I want installed by default, that just means a lot more work for me.
Could I use Windows 2k as a desktop OS? Yes, I have to in some situations.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: Lucky

So you admit that out of the box and using recommended drivers XP is NOT stable? Did you ever try something similar with the Mac? What OS were you using?

The manufacturer drivers for XP were by ELSA, who quit making consumer video cards before WinXP came out. MicroSoft recommended using the generic NVidia drivers with ELSA's cards. I figured the video card manufacturer ought to know if their specialized drivers would work with XP or not. Turns out they did not know.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: SnapIT

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Torghn

Originally posted by: TheOmegaCode

Originally posted by: Torghn MAC's suck becuase games run twice as slow as they do an a PC that cost half as much.

says a lamer... Don't worry, I'm a lamer too, just one that respects diversity...

Maybe so, but I am right.

To you.

That post is the enigma of this thread, the best post...

Huh? My post was kinda confusing now that I re-read it... But I think that was supposed to be a semi-compliment?

Its all about what you like and want.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteve

Originally posted by: Lucky

I would think that he presumed they wouldn't use an even older version of it than the latest. He was overestimating Apple

Or maybe he *gasp* ordered older machines!

Apple claimed these were top of the line. Their top of the line machines use PC100?

The top of the line machines use pc133 right now.

 

[Jzero]

3. I use an Apple Pro keyboard on my PC. Best kb ever made.

You'd only say that if you've never used an Omnikey, truly the greatest keyboard ever made.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled flame war.

Sometimes, I use vi AND emacs!

 

[fatbaby]

i haven't read the entire post, but can macs be overclocked?

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: fatbaby
i haven't read the entire post, but can macs be overclocked?

Yes.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Jzero

3. I use an Apple Pro keyboard on my PC. Best kb ever made.

You'd only say that if you've never used an Omnikey, truly the greatest keyboard ever made.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled flame war.

Sometimes, I use vi AND emacs!

Happy Hacker (it has the control key and the caps lock key in the correct places).