Mac Mini $494

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Amazon is taking orders for the Apple Mac mini M9686LL/A (G4 1.25GHz, 256 MB RAM, 40 GB Hard Drive, DVD/CR-RW Drive) $499.99, Free 2 day shipping through 1/31




also orders for the Apple Mac mini M9687LL/A (G4 1.42GHz, 256 MB RAM, 80 GB Hard Drive, DVD/CR-RW Drive) $599.99, Free shipping


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Chrono

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YES. I was waiting for amazon to finally pre-order. No tax + free 2 day shipping = amazon has made a sale with me.
 
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I think this is a bit of a coup Apple just pulled off. I've never considered a Mac before and my current setup is way more powerful, but for my sister and anybody looking for a new computer, I may just have to recommend this instead of a Dell or BuiltByHero system. This is really something.
 

Xionide

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Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
I think this is a bit of a coup Apple just pulled off. I've never considered a Mac before and my current setup is way more powerful, but for my sister and anybody looking for a new computer, I may just have to recommend this instead of a Dell or BuiltByHero system. This is really something.

Why cause its small? its still a mac.
 
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Originally posted by: Xionide
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
I think this is a bit of a coup Apple just pulled off. I've never considered a Mac before and my current setup is way more powerful, but for my sister and anybody looking for a new computer, I may just have to recommend this instead of a Dell or BuiltByHero system. This is really something.

its still a mac.

Exactly. The fact is here you're getting a MAC for under $500. The size is neat and works out well especially for college age kids and really mobile people, but the price is the big deal. It makes "trying out" a Mac not such a big committment.
 

OzzieGT

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Actually, I won't recommend this for friends. If it included monitor, keyboard, and mouse I might. But for $600 you can get a pretty good system from Dell (for anything but games of course) WITH monitor, keyboard, and mouse.
 

GRAFiZ

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I also believe this is quite a victory for apple... but wait and think about it for a minute.

Most people buying these new wont have a keyboard and mouse for it, they might have an older monitor lying around, but if they dont, thats another $100 at the minimum,

Then, after you get it, and purchase the required accesories, what'll you do with it?

Honestly, software for the mac is harder to get and more expensive then it is for a windows based PC.

Lets say after all is said and done you pay $600. For that you can get a HELL of a machine from Dell or Gateway. Easy.

Will I buy one of these?

As of yesterday the answer was YES!!! But, after thinking about it for a day I realized, all I would do with it is surf the web and dink around with OSX.

Not worth the $500 for that.

But... after they're out for awhile and I get to play around with one, I might pick one up. But I'm not as certain about it as I was before.

Thanks for the link to Amazon though, didnt know you could pre-order yet.
 

RaDragon

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I wouldn't recommend this for a new computer user, maybe for someone who's been wanting to buy a mac, but waiting for the right price. Otherwise, a new user would have to buy a monitor and other peripherals separately...

That being said, I'm very tempted to get one of those!
 

MIDIman

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Damn cute little ah heck.

Same cost at apple.com. For the faster 1.4ghz model ($599) with 512mb (+$75), DVD burner (+$100), Wireless Airport Extreme (+$79), and keyboard/mouse (+$58), comes out to $911, including shipping.

Agreed - not too shabby for a stylized G4, but IMHO, as always, way overpriced. Curious what kind of noise this will produce.

Can't wait to see the PC ripoffs - keep a watch on mini-itx.com and similar SFF sites.
 

usernamemax20charact

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Originally posted by: OzzieGT
Actually, I won't recommend this for friends. If it included monitor, keyboard, and mouse I might. But for $600 you can get a pretty good system from Dell (for anything but games of course) WITH monitor, keyboard, and mouse.

Why not? I'd definitely recommend this to friends and family who are stick to death with having to deal with spyware/malware and viruses.

I might even consider picking one up. Hook it up to a KVM along with my PC and I'm all set. It would also make a killer MP3 server. I could have my entire music collection stored on the HDD and streamed anywhere in the house using AirPort Express. So many uses for it. And because it's so small, it can easily be placed out of sight.
 

CptObvious

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Originally posted by: MIDIman
Curious what kind of noise this will produce.

It's advertised as 'whisper quiet' and I'm inclined to believe Apple since their other machines are well-built and have low noise.

I'm thinking about buying one for home recording. I currently have a SFF PC but it's still quite audible.
 

Baked

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People, it's a freaking G4! It's like buying a PIII PC. Eh, whatever...
 
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Originally posted by: GRAFiZ
Then, after you get it, and purchase the required accesories, what'll you do with it?

Honestly, software for the mac is harder to get and more expensive then it is for a windows based PC.

It looks like it comes with the iLife suite which has everything you need for making movies, editing pictures, and even recording music tracks.

Why buy a $600 Dell as opposed to a refurbished PII-450 from Compgeeks for $80? What can you do other than gaming that you can't on the PII? I'd say, aside from email/word processing/browsing, most people want a computer that can organize and allow them to edit/share their picutres and video and the miniMac will excel at that. A 9200 video card is no slouch either and will be able to run most games well.

And, yes, sparing a new user from ever having to read up about how to remove SoBig.A from their System32 folder is a bonus.
 

Andy

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If apple put SVideo and a good sound in this, it could make an awesome home theatre PC!
 

cheapgoose

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Originally posted by: BostonYuk
If apple put SVideo and a good sound in this, it could make an awesome home theatre PC!

are you kidding me? s-video? imho, if it's a htpc you want, i wouldn't accept anything short of digital audio and dvi out.
 

AU Tiger

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Originally posted by: BostonYuk
If apple put SVideo and a good sound in this, it could make an awesome home theatre PC!

Apple thought of that. DVI to S-Video adapter is $20.
 

salsa086

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this is golden

And when you want to take a break, play the 3D games Nanosaur 2 and Marble Blast Gold.

for the price of this system you can get a PC with REAL gaming potential


and if it's all about browsing the web securely on the cheap, all of the mac kool-aid drinkers would actually be buying a $200 lindows system from costco... instead they are drawn to the pretty lights and apple logos in all the movies.. and one wonders how the Koresh's of this world ever developed a following....


 

Jaxidian

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Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Why buy a $600 Dell as opposed to a refurbished PII-450 from Compgeeks for $80? What can you do other than gaming that you can't on the PII?

You're kidding me, right? Honestly, you seriously think everyday users of a computer can do everything they need on a PII nowdays? By "can do", I don't mean it being possible but without it taking 2-4 times as long as it would otherwise. Out of the 4 PCs I regularly use, I HATE using the 2 with 512MB RAM because they're so damned slow with all of the disk swapping (1GB minimum are my requirements for good productivity).

And I'm not talking about gaming. I'm talking about working or even just browsing the internet, email, IM, etc.
 
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Originally posted by: Tegeril
a 32mb 9200 is most definitely a slouch.

At 1024 x 768, it would run Call Of Duty at 60 FPS and C&C:G or UT2003 at around 30. Of course it's not going to run Doom 3, but for that you'd need to spend $400 on a video card alone. Most games not requiring an X800 or 6800, including Counter-Strike and BF1942, would run on this pretty well, in my estimation.
 

jagerk

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I've used these: $1500 (now, must have been $2000+ then)
1.8GHz PowerPC G5
600MHz frontside bus
512K L2 cache
256MB DDR400 SDRAM
Expandable to 4GB SDRAM
80GB Serial ATA
8x SuperDrive
Three PCI Slots
NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra
64MB DDR video memory
56K internal modem

along with these:
Apple Cinema Display (20" flat panel) ($1000 now)
Apple Cinema HD Display (30" flat panel) ($3000)

and especially these, the worst computer part I've ever used:
Apple Mouse, One Button Optical ($30)

Consistently, throughout all these machines which I've used for graphical and audio work, movies, Photoshop, et al, the hype is not worth it. These machines are the most price inflated and cost ineffective machines I've had the displeasure to use. They have the worse faults than comparable (in price) Windows machines. Ask any Mac user who's been frustrated with the damn freaking pinwheel which shows your expensive processor is being utilized for some mundane task. In raw speed, yes, it does have it's ass kicked.

I'm not even talking about the discrepancy on paper, that these machines "only" have 1.5 ghz or so tops. The discrepancy is in raw, actual, power, because I'm an AMD user, and AMD has always been playing a catch up game to Intel's clock speed. AMD has always won, though, even though their actual clock speeds were lower than Intel- because of the effective architecture on the chips, with smaller bandwith pipelines allowing more work units to be processed than Intel's processors in the same time frame. Thus, the chips across the board on the PC market from Athlon consistently have lower clock frequencies than Intel chips, yet actually perform better than Intel chips with at least 30% higher clock speeds. It's the damn truth. Which is why, contrary to public opinion, the BEST processor right now is an Athlon processor - currently at a whopping 3800+ public relations speed, which only translates into 2.6 ghz actual clock speed, compared to Intel's highest Prescott processor, the 3.8 ghz actual clock speed. And the AMD chips kicks so much ass hands down - they actually implement 64 bit compatability before "the first 64 bit personal computer in the world - the G5"- it kicks Intel machines asses right now, and is ready for the next generation of 64 bit operating systems. Can you say that for a Mac, about having so much performance?

Hardly. The mac suffers from a parity of speeds, with EITHER Intel or AMD machines. There is no getting around that; either live with the cursed pinwheel, (which is SO damn annoying when you're using a machine touted for it's graphical and user superiority.. yeah right, what you're supposed to buy is the best HARDWARE you can afford- and only recently has actual current graphics cards have appeared for Macs. Either that, or you pay a ludicrous amount for price premium of Mac-compatible graphics cards from either Nvidia or ATi.) or you buy a more expensive Mac. Even then, the most expensive Macs pitifully fall short of the comparably priced Windows machines. And it doesn't matter what kind of mythical software benefits you'll have, you'll still have crappy hardware under the cover of your pretty Mac, which you will never have the opportunity to upgrade, except perhaps user-friendly RAM modules! RAM has nothing to do with anything once you're past a certain level, so that's a moot point anyway.

This same situation has already been shown to a LOT of college students within the past year - since the time Intel came out with the Centrino package for its laptop. There was confusion as to how a chip with "only" 1.3, 1.4 ghz could be equal to or better than Pentium 4 2.8 ghz machines. This is the exact situation AMD had been in, but fortunately for AMD, its supporters know that there is a way for chips running at those speeds to truly shine and repeatedly beat out higher-rated Intel 'equivalents'. Most of the time, the AMD chips were priced ridiculously cheaper than the 'equivalent' Intel chips, too- so an AMD buyer such as myself were in a win-win situation. This is definitely not the case with Mac. I can't even give a benchmark to compare the two systems. Look at the programs which are available for Mac. You get to pay a price premium for those which are actually available, just like everything else Apple sells. And that's the real bottom line, a Mac user who falls into the hype just increases Apple's bottom line. Shrug. You can go ahead now and purchase your Mini mac. I won't be, for the forseeable future.

That's all I have to say about that.
 

kki000

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ram is not upgradeable.

This could change once ppl get them and they figure it out, but official word from apple is the 256mb u get is what u get.
I woulndt mind blowing 499 to play with this, but no ram upgrade is a dead deal.
U cant get do dick on os x with 256m.

And i agree g4=p3. But they had to gimp it or else it would have cannibalized even more of their higher end sales.
K
 
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