Mac OSX on x86

[mdchesne]

I'm come across a copy of OS X for the x86 platform and am wondering how to port it to my PC. Suse is becoming bothersome, what with not installing drivers properly, and I'd like to get back to mac. Especially since, of the hardware I have now, I could run X at top speeds with no system lag. Has anyone here ported this "version" successfully and how? I have a 160gig HDD ready for mac partitioning so space is not a concern.

:thumbsup:

thanks

 

[MrChad]

We can't talk about illegal software here. Forum rules.

 

[The Linuxator]

Originally posted by: MrChad
We can't talk about illegal software here. Forum rules.

As I understand it (and someone correct me if I am wrong), if a person has a version of OS X, and he uses a copy of that version of OS X that has been modefied to run on X86 then it's %100 legal to do so.

Now just answer my question before we can go any further with this discussion , do you or do you not own an OS X version of the same one that is cracked to run on x86 ?
If the answer is yes, then no law is being breached here and if the answer is no then we can't talk about this topic.

 

[atchon]

If its the new OS X that was made by apple for x86 it should only be in the hands of developers on apple specific hardware. Even when OS X is released it will still run on only apple hardware as of the latest... of course this will probably be ported rather quickly but initially it is only intended for mac hardware still

 

[mdchesne]

it's darwin open source. it's basically the apple OS without the widgets and the extra little features apple adds.
and no, it's not illegal. apple allows you to download it here

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: The Linuxator

Originally posted by: MrChad
We can't talk about illegal software here. Forum rules.

As I understand it (and someone correct me if I am wrong), if a person has a version of OS X, and he uses a copy of that version of OS X that has been modefied to run on X86 then it's %100 legal to do so.

Now just answer my question before we can go any further with this discussion , do you or do you not own an OS X version of the same one that is cracked to run on x86 ?
If the answer is yes, then no law is being breached here and if the answer is no then we can't talk about this topic.

Did you get that from a crystal ball, or a reliable source?

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: mdchesne
it's darwin open source. it's basically the apple OS without the widgets and the extra little features apple adds.
and no, it's not illegal. apple allows you to download it here

By extra features you mean software and a GUI.

 

[MrChad]

Originally posted by: mdchesne
it's darwin open source. it's basically the apple OS without the widgets and the extra little features apple adds.
and no, it's not illegal. apple allows you to download it here

Darwin != OS X. Please be more clear next time.

 

[The Linuxator]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: mdchesne
it's darwin open source. it's basically the apple OS without the widgets and the extra little features apple adds.
and no, it's not illegal. apple allows you to download it here

By extra features you mean software and a GUI.

So OP, if that's what open source darwin really is, you as an end user can throw that aside and get your self FreeBSD that's far closer to the OS X you have in mind. Unless you are trying to learn how to write and build apps for OS X , then that's a different story.

 

[Nothinman]

If you're having problems with drivers in Linux, I really, really, really doubt your situation will improve by using Darwin.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: The Linuxator

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: mdchesne
it's darwin open source. it's basically the apple OS without the widgets and the extra little features apple adds.
and no, it's not illegal. apple allows you to download it here

By extra features you mean software and a GUI.

So OP, if that's what open source darwin really is, you as an end user can throw that aside and get your self FreeBSD that's far closer to the OS X you have in mind. Unless you are trying to learn how to write and build apps for OS X , then that's a different story.

No, Darwin is closer to OS X than FreeBSD is. Darwin is the core of OS X, FreeBSD is just another part of it.

 

[The Linuxator]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: The Linuxator

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: mdchesne
it's darwin open source. it's basically the apple OS without the widgets and the extra little features apple adds.
and no, it's not illegal. apple allows you to download it here

By extra features you mean software and a GUI.

So OP, if that's what open source darwin really is, you as an end user can throw that aside and get your self FreeBSD that's far closer to the OS X you have in mind. Unless you are trying to learn how to write and build apps for OS X , then that's a different story.

No, Darwin is closer to OS X than FreeBSD is. Darwin is the core of OS X, FreeBSD is just another part of it.

I know Darwin is the core of OS X, but what I am saying is that if he gets darwin open source, and you are describing it to be OS X but without the copyrighted stuff the GUI + widgets + apps+...etc just inorder to shift from Linux, then FreeBSD will be closer to a real OSX , becasue they are both derived from BSD + at least he will get some GUI and a decent selection of apps, that's what I meant. It's because maybe he doesn't realise that what he is trying to install is just the core. By going the BSD route he can shift from Linux and try something similar yet different

 

[hopejr]

You can run X11 on Darwin, and AFAIK, it comes with it.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: The Linuxator
I know Darwin is the core of OS X, but what I am saying is that if he gets darwin open source, and you are describing it to be OS X but without the copyrighted stuff the GUI + widgets + apps+...etc just inorder to shift from Linux, then FreeBSD will be closer to a real OSX , becasue they are both derived from BSD + at least he will get some GUI and a decent selection of apps, that's what I meant. It's because maybe he doesn't realise that what he is trying to install is just the core. By going the BSD route he can shift from Linux and try something similar yet different

You can use the same apps on Darwin as you can on FreeBSD (more or less), including X11. OpenDarwin or whatever they call it isn't just the core to OS X, it's an OS these days.

 

[The Linuxator]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: The Linuxator
I know Darwin is the core of OS X, but what I am saying is that if he gets darwin open source, and you are describing it to be OS X but without the copyrighted stuff the GUI + widgets + apps+...etc just inorder to shift from Linux, then FreeBSD will be closer to a real OSX , becasue they are both derived from BSD + at least he will get some GUI and a decent selection of apps, that's what I meant. It's because maybe he doesn't realise that what he is trying to install is just the core. By going the BSD route he can shift from Linux and try something similar yet different

You can use the same apps on Darwin as you can on FreeBSD (more or less), including X11. OpenDarwin or whatever they call it isn't just the core to OS X, it's an OS these days.

You learn something new everyday , I thought that openDarwin was just there for OS X developers, I didn't know end users can use it (easily) as free version of apple's OS , so if he installs opendarwin, will it be easy for him to install apps, or will it require some further advanced knwoledge.

If I were the OP I am not sure I would go with openDarwin. I mean how much support would it have compared to BSD ( FreeBSD and such) ?
I personally tested FreeBSD and I loved how stable it is , the only reason that I went with Linux as a main OS for my needs is because I noticed that it has a bigger community base which results in a wider package selection and support.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: The Linuxator
You learn something new everyday , I thought that openDarwin was just there for OS X developers, I didn't know end users can use it (easily) as free version of apple's OS , so if he installs opendarwin, will it be easy for him to install apps, or will it require some further advanced knwoledge.

It's probably very basic, and not user friendly. I haven't tried it though. I don't need to, I have Mac OS X, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, NetBSD, and Linux a click away.

 

[Nothinman]

I didn't know end users can use it (easily) as free version of apple's OS , so if he installs opendarwin, will it be easy for him to install apps, or will it require some further advanced knwoledge.

If you look at the source on the page he linked to there's very little there, I don't even think there's a package manager so even if you got it installed and working you'd end up compiling most things from scratch anyway.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

I didn't know end users can use it (easily) as free version of apple's OS , so if he installs opendarwin, will it be easy for him to install apps, or will it require some further advanced knwoledge.

If you look at the source on the page he linked to there's very little there, I don't even think there's a package manager so even if you got it installed and working you'd end up compiling most things from scratch anyway.

Use pkgsrc.

 

[Nothinman]

Use pkgsrc.

It's not included with the source from Apple, so will it actually work?

 

[The Linuxator]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

I didn't know end users can use it (easily) as free version of apple's OS , so if he installs opendarwin, will it be easy for him to install apps, or will it require some further advanced knwoledge.

If you look at the source on the page he linked to there's very little there, I don't even think there's a package manager so even if you got it installed and working you'd end up compiling most things from scratch anyway.

That's what I am talking about , I doubt the OP has the knwoledge to accomplish this task, then again I doubt how many ppl know how to do this. But back to point one, FreeBSD / OpenBSD...etc will be a much more feasiable option.
Just me 2 cents

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

Use pkgsrc.

It's not included with the source from Apple, so will it actually work?

Darwin is on the supported list. I don't have any more information that that.

 

[Nothinman]

Darwin is on the supported list. I don't have any more information that that.

The page also says : You cannot use a HFS+ file system for pkgsrc, because pkgsrc currently requires the file system to be case-sensitive, and HFS+ is not.

Isn't HFS+ the default?

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

Darwin is on the supported list. I don't have any more information that that.

The page also says : You cannot use a HFS+ file system for pkgsrc, because pkgsrc currently requires the file system to be case-sensitive, and HFS+ is not.

Isn't HFS+ the default?

I've never installed Darwin without going through a pretty Aqua gui, but I'm guessing that it is.

They give a couple of work arounds though, and I'm guessing that someone smart enough to install and use Darwin is smart enough to install and use pkgsrc.

 

[atchon]

Of similar interest
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1886910,00.asp
though this is legally questionable

 

[Nothinman]

though this is legally questionable

There's nothing questionable about it, you would need to use an illegal copy of OS X to finish the project.