Mac video versus Pc video

Jaylio

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Is there any difference in a mac video card and a pc video card? I have a video card that has an adapter that will connect to a mac or a pc monitor. My question I geuss is " Can this card be put into a mac computer as well as a pc? " Is there a difference in the agp slot?
 

Darien

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some simply require a bios flash.



radeon 8500 comes to mind.



macs also use ADC.
 

Jaylio

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I hate to sound stupid, but what is adc? Also this card was supposedly a designers card, is it possible to have more than one bios or a universal bios so that it would work without flashing for either type of system.
 

Gravija

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you just need to flash the BIOS
doesn't work with newer radeons because i don't think the Bios is out there yet, and doesn't work with the GF4 Ti series, not sure about the MX ones though (we do have them)
the ones i know that work are the GF3's (non Ti) and the radeon 7000-7500-8500 (not le, just normal one)
 

chizow

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Worked for the Voodoo5 5500 too. You could get a Mac V5 PCI for ~$50 when the PC version was still going for $150.

Chiz
 

kgraeme

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Originally posted by: Jaylio
I hate to sound stupid, but what is adc? Also this card was supposedly a designers card, is it possible to have more than one bios or a universal bios so that it would work without flashing for either type of system.

ADC = Apple Display Connector

It's their proprietary crap of a connector that is another example of a brilliant idea by Apple that would potentially bring world peace and goodwill to all computer peripherals...but it's Apple only. It's basically a digital connector with power and usb built in so that the display doesn't need another power cable and it can also serve as a usb hub. At least that's the concept. In practice, it just means it's a pain in the ass to hook up a regular monitor to a Mac or a Mac monitor to a PC.
 

BDawg

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Originally posted by: kgraeme
Originally posted by: Jaylio
I hate to sound stupid, but what is adc? Also this card was supposedly a designers card, is it possible to have more than one bios or a universal bios so that it would work without flashing for either type of system.

ADC = Apple Display Connector

It's their proprietary crap of a connector that is another example of a brilliant idea by Apple that would potentially bring world peace and goodwill to all computer peripherals...but it's Apple only. It's basically a digital connector with power and usb built in so that the display doesn't need another power cable and it can also serve as a usb hub. At least that's the concept. In practice, it just means it's a pain in the ass to hook up a regular monitor to a Mac or a Mac monitor to a PC.

What an ignorant opinion. I think it was ingenious way to get rid of clutter. Macs came with VGA ports as well. You didn't have to use ADC unless you wanted to. If you did, you got rid of some cables.

If the PC world had this forethought, there wouldn't be any LCD screens with VGA connections. They'd all be at least DVI. Converting a digital signal to analog, to digital, and back to analog is ignorant.
 

Eug

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Originally posted by: BDawg
Originally posted by: kgraeme
Originally posted by: Jaylio
I hate to sound stupid, but what is adc? Also this card was supposedly a designers card, is it possible to have more than one bios or a universal bios so that it would work without flashing for either type of system.

ADC = Apple Display Connector

It's their proprietary crap of a connector that is another example of a brilliant idea by Apple that would potentially bring world peace and goodwill to all computer peripherals...but it's Apple only. It's basically a digital connector with power and usb built in so that the display doesn't need another power cable and it can also serve as a usb hub. At least that's the concept. In practice, it just means it's a pain in the ass to hook up a regular monitor to a Mac or a Mac monitor to a PC.

What an ignorant opinion. I think it was ingenious way to get rid of clutter. Macs came with VGA ports as well. You didn't have to use ADC unless you wanted to. If you did, you got rid of some cables.

If the PC world had this forethought, there wouldn't be any LCD screens with VGA connections. They'd all be at least DVI. Converting a digital signal to analog, to digital, and back to analog is ignorant.
I personally dislike ADC too. The Apple monitors are ADC only which means they don't even work with my TiBook without an extra ($$$) adapter.
Thus I just bought a Samsung 172T instead, which IMO is a better monitor anyway compared to the 17" Apple Studio Display, and which costs much less.

Anyways, nowadays most mid-range and up video cards for PC have DVI. OTOH, I don't think I've EVER seen a PC laptop with DVI, and I would be very hard pressed to spend $3000 on a laptop with no DVI. I can't see the point of paying top dollar for VGA only outputs, and thus it was another reason I bought a TiBook.

And clutter? Well, for the keyboard and mouse I use wireless. No clutter at all.
 

Jaylio

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THis video card will work in a pc without flashing anything, I tried it out. It only has adc on the card itself, but I have adapters for dual vga and dual dvi. What I have been trying to figure out is 2 things.

1. "Is there a unique use for this card?"
2. "What would this card be worth?" If it is usable in a mac it is worth about $75, according to ebay statistics, and if not its not worth very much. I have a dozen of them.
 

kgraeme

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Originally posted by: BDawg

What an ignorant opinion.

LOL! I think that 16 years on the Mac including doing regional marketing for them entitles me to consider my opinions to be a bit more than ignorant.

As I said, I do think that ADC was a brilliant idea. However, I said it with the necessary scorn for Apple making another foray into a proprietary connector instead of trying to get it certified as a standard like they did with FireWire. ADC is basically a variant of DVI, and one that probably should have become a standard, but Apple under Steve Jobs has moved steadily back to proprietary hardware.

I'm going to go off on a little side rant here. When Amelio was at the helm of Apple, people only saw their hemorrhaging stock prices; however, that downward trend predated Amelio and he was hired to fix things. Under his watch, some of the things Apple did included switching to the G3 chip, switching to standard IDE devices, standard memory types, etc. While he was at the helm, Apple actually came out with Macs that were faster in clock speed than the Intel chips in PCs AND they were more efficient to boot. Amelio was the one that decided to kill the new OS that was going to be based on the old system, and instead bought NeXT. He basically is the one responsible for saving the company. However, in buying NeXT he also bought Steve Jobs who is a shark to put it mildly. Steve basically forced Amelio out and rode on Amelio's successes. And since then has proceeded to move Apple more and more into proprietary hardware again like the ADC and their funky non-standard speaker plugs and such. So now you can't buy an Apple monitor for a PC and you can't plug normal PC speakers into most new Macs. And as for the OS, while you may think that OS X is a work of wonder, it's little more than NeXT with some of the old OS style skinned on. The useability sucks major donkey balls in a lot of ways, in no small part because Steve fired all of the Human Interface department before OS X was released.

And that doesn't even scratch the surface of how I really feel.

Sorry to hijack your thread Jaylio. Here's the answer to your question:

Originally posted by: Jaylio

1. "Is there a unique use for this card?"

No. There's nothing magical about an Apple card that somehow makes it better than a PC equivalent. In fact, when Apple bundled the GeForce MX cards as their "high end" video for graphics professionals it was one of the last insults I put up with from them. My old Mac with ATI Rage128 had better 2D graphics than that.
 
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