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drag

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Originally posted by: arsbanned
Originally posted by: ribbon13
second to none???
If by industrial you mean computing power per square inch, your sorely wrong
If by industrial you mean the quality of the PCBs, your sorely wrong
If by industrial you mean the stability of the system/os, you are wrong.
If by industrial you mean the chassis, I'll laugh until I pass out.

Macs are great, but they're anything but second to none.

I'm referring mainly to chassis design, peripheral design. Anyone with any knowledge of what constitutes good design precepts will probably agree.
That is all.


Generally, yes. Macs have great industrial design qualities.

I've worked on PowerG4's and they have a wonderfull internal design to their cases.

For example the motherboard is attatched to the door of the box, and the door has the hinge at the bottom.

You unplug the power cord, pull up on the ring on the side, and the door opens to lay flat on your table. Then you plug the powercord back into the back and you can turn on the computer and it is completely functional with all the componates laying flat in front of you.

Even the IDE cables were routed out of the way... thru slots in the bottom which channels them up to the cdrom and harddrives at the top. Freaking wonderfull. There were only a couple wires hanging out, and they were very small.

It makes PC chassis design with the ratnest of wires look like the most asisine way to design a computer.

The PowerG4 case design is equally as great.

And even though the lampshade-style Imacs were ugly the design was clever and they are very quiet. They were VERY ergonomic with the LCD display on the stock and you could do cool things like position the monitor MUCH closer then is possible with a normal computer. That way you end up with a deceptively large screen area with such as small LCD display. You could have the display directly over the keyboard if you wanted.

I own a new Ibook and those things are easy to work on, too. There are two tabs that hold the keyboard in place at the top. You press down and pull towards you then up and the entire keyboard pops out. Underneath that is the little impression in the electronic sheilding were the airport extreme card slides into. It's held by one little wire spring clip. Pop that out, pull on a clear plastic tab and the airport card slides out. Then you lay that to one side and you undo 4 little screws to pop peice of the electronic sheilding up and underneath there is were you pop in the extra memory.

I don't know how that compares to newer laptops, but it was much nicer then any other laptop I've owned or messed around with.
 

Cerb

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Originally posted by: jspsh
is there even anyway to spawn an unix shell in OS X? i was playing with those powerbooks at compusa and had a lot of trouble finding somewhere to run commands
Console or Terminal. They work like a top. And like always, if you run top and do nothing else, top takes an insane amount of relative CPU use.
 

arsbanned

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Originally posted by: drag
Originally posted by: arsbanned
Originally posted by: ribbon13
second to none???
If by industrial you mean computing power per square inch, your sorely wrong
If by industrial you mean the quality of the PCBs, your sorely wrong
If by industrial you mean the stability of the system/os, you are wrong.
If by industrial you mean the chassis, I'll laugh until I pass out.

Macs are great, but they're anything but second to none.

I'm referring mainly to chassis design, peripheral design. Anyone with any knowledge of what constitutes good design precepts will probably agree.
That is all.


Generally, yes. Macs have great industrial design qualities.

I've worked on PowerG4's and they have a wonderfull internal design to their cases.

For example the motherboard is attatched to the door of the box, and the door has the hinge at the bottom.

You unplug the power cord, pull up on the ring on the side, and the door opens to lay flat on your table. Then you plug the powercord back into the back and you can turn on the computer and it is completely functional with all the componates laying flat in front of you.

Even the IDE cables were routed out of the way... thru slots in the bottom which channels them up to the cdrom and harddrives at the top. Freaking wonderfull. There were only a couple wires hanging out, and they were very small.

It makes PC chassis design with the ratnest of wires look like the most asisine way to design a computer.

The PowerG4 case design is equally as great.

And even though the lampshade-style Imacs were ugly the design was clever and they are very quiet. They were VERY ergonomic with the LCD display on the stock and you could do cool things like position the monitor MUCH closer then is possible with a normal computer. That way you end up with a deceptively large screen area with such as small LCD display. You could have the display directly over the keyboard if you wanted.

I own a new Ibook and those things are easy to work on, too. There are two tabs that hold the keyboard in place at the top. You press down and pull towards you then up and the entire keyboard pops out. Underneath that is the little impression in the electronic sheilding were the airport extreme card slides into. It's held by one little wire spring clip. Pop that out, pull on a clear plastic tab and the airport card slides out. Then you lay that to one side and you undo 4 little screws to pop peice of the electronic sheilding up and underneath there is were you pop in the extra memory.

I don't know how that compares to newer laptops, but it was much nicer then any other laptop I've owned or messed around with.

I have one of the PowerPC G4 units too. That's partly what I base my sweeping generalization on.
I have a daughter going into college next year on a graphic arts/industrial design major and I keep telling her, "maybe you can get a job with Apple".
 

OffTopic1

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Originally posted by: arsbanned
Originally posted by: drag
Originally posted by: arsbanned
Originally posted by: ribbon13
second to none???
If by industrial you mean computing power per square inch, your sorely wrong
If by industrial you mean the quality of the PCBs, your sorely wrong
If by industrial you mean the stability of the system/os, you are wrong.
If by industrial you mean the chassis, I'll laugh until I pass out.

Macs are great, but they're anything but second to none.

I'm referring mainly to chassis design, peripheral design. Anyone with any knowledge of what constitutes good design precepts will probably agree.
That is all.


Generally, yes. Macs have great industrial design qualities.

I've worked on PowerG4's and they have a wonderfull internal design to their cases.

For example the motherboard is attatched to the door of the box, and the door has the hinge at the bottom.

You unplug the power cord, pull up on the ring on the side, and the door opens to lay flat on your table. Then you plug the powercord back into the back and you can turn on the computer and it is completely functional with all the componates laying flat in front of you.

Even the IDE cables were routed out of the way... thru slots in the bottom which channels them up to the cdrom and harddrives at the top. Freaking wonderfull. There were only a couple wires hanging out, and they were very small.

It makes PC chassis design with the ratnest of wires look like the most asisine way to design a computer.

The PowerG4 case design is equally as great.

And even though the lampshade-style Imacs were ugly the design was clever and they are very quiet. They were VERY ergonomic with the LCD display on the stock and you could do cool things like position the monitor MUCH closer then is possible with a normal computer. That way you end up with a deceptively large screen area with such as small LCD display. You could have the display directly over the keyboard if you wanted.

I own a new Ibook and those things are easy to work on, too. There are two tabs that hold the keyboard in place at the top. You press down and pull towards you then up and the entire keyboard pops out. Underneath that is the little impression in the electronic sheilding were the airport extreme card slides into. It's held by one little wire spring clip. Pop that out, pull on a clear plastic tab and the airport card slides out. Then you lay that to one side and you undo 4 little screws to pop peice of the electronic sheilding up and underneath there is were you pop in the extra memory.

I don't know how that compares to newer laptops, but it was much nicer then any other laptop I've owned or messed around with.

I have one of the PowerPC G4 units too. That's partly what I base my sweeping generalization on.
I have a daughter going into college next year on a graphic arts/industrial design major and I keep telling her, "maybe you can get a job with Apple".
It could be that I'm a little old, because Apple weren't use at the old art school that I attend (it was mostly SGIs), and now I think they uses Windows, Mac & Linux for their graphics, animation & industrial design.

Ps. Maybe your daughter will have a better chance at getting employment than I since you are in the US instead of Canada. (Presently, I'm working in IT because I took a second degree in CS after art school grad). Good Luck!
 

imported_Lucifer

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I started using OS X in April of 2004. I loved it the minute I started using it. And for my computer being 1GHz, it ran very fast. Your Mac Mini is faster than my emac in every way, so everything would be more enjoyable!
 

Jeff7181

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TheGeek, how do you like it so far? How did you configure it? Or did you just get the base model?
 

TheGeek

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at first i was debating not getting it b/c it would take 3-4 wks to get it, but as i was walking trough the mall, i say the base 1.42 GHz model. So, I went home, asked my dad if he could lend me $650 in cash, went back and bought it. i put the 512 stick from my PC into it and it worked very well. Two problems though:

1) My keyboard no longer works. its the logitech wireless elite desktop kit, and it waorked at first, but all of a sudden it stoped working. the wierd thing is that the wired keys still work (volume dial, the sleep button, etc.) but the letters, numbers and F-keys dont. i pushed the connect butten on both the keyboard and reciever and the both recognized each other. i tried the keyboard on a windows PC and i had the same problem. sorry if all that makes no sense, im tired and frustrated b/c i have to use my PC with a ps/2 keyboard. Im thinking about getting bluetooth with a bluetooth keyboard and mouse.

The mac mini comes with an ethernet port, but I forgot that my house only has wireless. so my question is, does the mini accept a normal airport extreme card that i can self-install, or does a special one need to be installed by a certified tech. thanks
 
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