Macs and Divx movies...

Darien

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thinking about buying a notebook, but they need to be able to playback divx movies (at full speed).

would an ibook cut it? can this thing playback divx movies well?

if it doesn't , where can i get an older powerbook g4 (not ebay...) (preferably still new? ^^)

thanks
 

n0cmonkey

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avi or mpeg? I can play mpeg files just fine, but I havent found any software to play those stupid avis.
 

Darien

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AVI. (divx 3.11, 4.xx and 5.xx)

i watch a lot of anime ^^

long live unlicensed anime!
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: Darien
AVI. (divx 3.11, 4.xx and 5.xx)

i watch a lot of anime ^^

[snip flamebait pro-criminal activity statement]

If Windows Media Player ~6.4 can play them, it might be possible. There is a port of that media player for Mac OS <10, which may be able to play avis, but Im not sure. Because of the fact that there are no easy ways to play avis on Macs I think they suck and shouldnt be used. VirtualDub can convert a crappy avi into a wonderful mpeg, but it takes a while.
 

Darien

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[snip flamebait pro-criminal activity statement]

hahaha, is unlicensed anime that's being distributed, aired in japan and has no us distro really pro-criminal?

projects either slow down or stop once stuff becomes licensed...

anyways, how do mac people watch divx movies (avis) then on OSX?
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: Darien
[snip flamebait pro-criminal activity statement]

hahaha, is unlicensed anime that's being distributed, aired in japan and has no us distro really pro-criminal?

Im not a lawyer, I just wanted to avoid that part of your post as much as possible. Guess I failed

projects either slow down or stop once stuff becomes licensed...

anyways, how do mac people watch divx movies (avis) then on OSX?

I dont. I either find a Windows machine somewhere and convert it to a better format, watch it on a Windows machine, or ignore it totally.

But I dont watch many non-purchased (ie real DVDs) on any machine, so its not a huge deal to me.

Do a search in the Mac forum at arstechnica's forum, there might be a better answer there.

 

Darien

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cool, problem solved then.

so, now i need to know if an ibook g3 600mhz will run it well...
 

Darien

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is ebay reliable when it comes to ordering stuff like powerbooks? i've seen some sweet 550mhz powerbook g4 deals...
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: Darien
is ebay reliable when it comes to ordering stuff like powerbooks? i've seen some sweet 550mhz powerbook g4 deals...

Its as reliable for Mac stuff as it is for anything else Id guess. Look at the newer powerbooks, they are the first to be able to support QuartzGL in the 10.2 release. Or wait to see what the 700mhz iBooks will bring to the table for video support.
 

Darien

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the updated ibooks are supposed to be g3s. i heard that OSX runs much better on a slower g4 than on a g3.

as for the quartz extreme, wasn't 32mb vram the ideal/(minimal optimal) setting. i forgot the exact context, but it implied that it could work with lower vram.
 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: Darien
the updated ibooks are supposed to be g3s. i heard that OSX runs much better on a slower g4 than on a g3.

as for the quartz extreme, wasn't 32mb vram the ideal/(minimal optimal) setting. i forgot the exact context, but it implied that it could work with lower vram.

32MB ram, 2xAGP I think... They said Rage 128's would be too slow.
 

Darien

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oh yeah, i nearly forgot they ran on those damned rage 128.

they seriously need to stick in the radeon mobility (not the 7500, as that'd cut into powerbook sales)

low end g4 wouldn't hurt either

i guess this answers whether the ibook cuts it for divx movie playback.

now i need to find a place that'll sell a powerbook for cheap...
 

n0cmonkey

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How different is divx playback from dvd playback? I can play dvds without problems on my 500mhz iceBook.

You wont find many cheaper prices, but you could find deals where you get plenty of free stuff at some mac retailers (macmall.com, etc)
 

gsaldivar

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"...Because of the fact that there are no easy ways to play avis on Macs I think they suck and shouldnt be used. VirtualDub can convert a crappy avi into a wonderful mpeg, but it takes a while..."


AVI is just a generic "wrapper" which can hold one of dozens of media formats, including DIVX which is just a slightly modified version of MPEG-4 with ".avi" tacked on the end of the filename.

In this respect, .AVI and .QT extensions have alot in common, in that they aren't really a file formats in themselves, but rather just a "wrapper" which can contain data compressed with nearly any codec you can imagine.

It's a shame Mac users have had to wait so long for DIVX support. I think its the best codec to come along in recent memory...

 

Darien

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if the book can play dvd movies well, maybe it can play divx files then...

...maybe...
 

gsaldivar

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"...How different is divx playback from dvd playback? I can play dvds without problems on my 500mhz iceBook..."

Well, DVD playback is accomplished using a licensed (aka: "professionally developed") set of codecs embedded in your operating system. Because these codecs are built into all modern OS's playing DVD's is a no-brainer.

Some versions of DIVX format, on the other hand require the addition of a "modified" codec into your operating system. I believe that in recent versions of DIVX, they are using almost entirely industry-standard MPEG4 compression, however it still requires a slight addition to your operating system to play these files properly.

Sooo.... what's the point of bothering with DIVX?

For starters, the old "VCD" or MPEG2 compression required about 900-1200MB for a feature-length movie with marginal sound/video quality. This is why most of the old VCD movies are require two CD-ROMs.

In 700-800MB, you could fit the same movie with higher resolution, much better video and sound quality using the DIVX codec. When DVD players support DIVX format (it's right around the corner...), it will be possible to achieve better-than-videotape quality from a movie qhich has been burned onto a single-CDROM.

 

n0cmonkey

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Originally posted by: gsaldivar
"...How different is divx playback from dvd playback? I can play dvds without problems on my 500mhz iceBook..."

Well, DVD playback is accomplished using a licensed (aka: "professionally developed") set of codecs embedded in your operating system. Because these codecs are built into all modern OS's playing DVD's is a no-brainer.

Some versions of DIVX format, on the other hand require the addition of a "modified" codec into your operating system. I believe that in recent versions of DIVX, they are using almost entirely industry-standard MPEG4 compression, however it still requires a slight addition to your operating system to play these files properly.

Sooo.... what's the point of bothering with DIVX?

For starters, the old "VCD" or MPEG2 compression required about 900-1200MB for a feature-length movie with marginal sound/video quality. This is why most of the old VCD movies are require two CD-ROMs.

In 700-800MB, you could fit the same movie with higher resolution, much better video and sound quality using the DIVX codec. When DVD players support DIVX format (it's right around the corner...), it will be possible to achieve better-than-videotape quality from a movie qhich has been burned onto a single-CDROM.

I didnt mean "whats the point?", I meant, "my iBook can do this, so should it be able to do that?" I think DIVX is a fine technology, I just dont know how my hardware would deal with that as compared to DVD movies. Thanks for the explanation on avis.
 

gsaldivar

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"...I think DIVX is a fine technology, I just dont know how my hardware would deal with that as compared to DVD movies. Thanks for the explanation on avis..."

I'm glad the clarification on AVI format helped. It wasn't too long ago that I too, hated the AVI format - until I learned about DIVX...

From a hardware point of view, I don't see any reason why the Mac shoudln't be able to let you play DIVX movies. I've got a "poor college student" lappy with Celeron 650 and embedded Intel video plays them perfectly at 100%, although they are a bit choppy if I try to scale to full-screen.

My gripe about Macs has mainly been about their OS's (MacOS & OSX), and not the hardware. In my opinion it really isn't a matter of whether or not the hardware inside of a Mac is capable of "handling" the video format - I'm sure any modern Mac has plenty of power to spare.

The question, is whether or not the codecs have been though enough revisions to make them well optimized for the platform. Does enough "demand" exist on the Mac platform to make this 'underground' video codec a worthwhile development? In my opinion, the answer is no. I just don't think there are enough people on the Mac platform pushing the envelope in this area.

I would guess that in the next year or two, a company will come along and wave a check with alot of zeros in front of the people working on the DIVX codec. We'll then see it rolled-into the familiar Quicktime and Windows Media Player packages, and within consumer DVD players, just like the MP3 format can be found in Discmans and boomboxes today. When Apple finally picks it up, and bundles it with Quicktime, I'll hear about this "revolutionary" new video technology that Macs have, and why it runs so much better than the PC, and how it uses such a tiny amount of hard disk space....
 

Supradude

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got a powerbook G3 500... the new DivX 5.0 for mac is pretty good and they got rid of the AIM bug which i like cause now i can actually use it, but i find that it still doesn't play quite a few of my *.avi files that run fine on my windows machine... It's great that there is finally official DivX support in OSX but i think they need a few more iterations before they get it right...

one more thing... even when you can play avi's, it plays in quicktime :disgust: i guess unless you find a better player gui, but most i find you need to pay for , my gripe on QT is that even at full screen it has the border and thus you never really get the full-screen... but eh, it's okay, and works decent... the screen thing would probably not matter as much on a Ti G4 with the wide-screen...
 

gsaldivar

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"...even when you can play avi's, it plays in quicktime i guess unless you find a better player gui..."

If I remember correctly, I believe Apple still sells a "Pro" upgrade to the Quicktime player which unlocks the full-screen (no borders) feature.

Other media players for the Mac include: Windows Media Player (yes, this is available for the Mac), and RealPlayer.
 
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