Quality post, here. :thumbsup:
I don't think that Shirley's fired. They can't fire them, remember?
I'm pretty sure she's working for Lou, now, so lucky her. :\
Quality post, here. :thumbsup:For the change of attitude towards Don from Peggy and Joan, you gotta remember that the characters' last interaction with Don is what remains with them, even if 6 months ago, and many other episodes for us, the viewers. This is brought up nicely in the 'previously on Mad Men' at the beginning of the episode(s).
Peggy I believe had told Don that he was a monster, out of control, and something more in that vein. The context was that Don was trying to scuttle Ted's affair with her, and Peggy - rightfully - was outraged. The fact that Ted proved to be a gutless slimeball made Peggy hate Don all the more, in a sort of double-down.
Joan, OTOH, is upset with Don for career reasons. She's ambitious, but for all her efforts, nobody noticed her at the old SC or SCDP (other than for her 'hills'). Then she saw an opportunity and literally whored herself to get an account and a partnership, even becoming the butt of office jokes because of it. And in comes Don with a holier-than-thou moment and washes all that away in one gesture, leaving Joan unsure of her standing in the office. Even the new guy Lou dumps on her, treating her as just a head-clerk shuffling people around. And guess who treats her so much better? Cutler! He apologizes for stuff; he elevates her to 'accounts man', and gives her a room. Effectively, he's bought her loyalty. No wonder she bristles at seeing Don back, threatening to bring back the old status. At least she gives it a cover of objectivity by pointing out to Don's drunkenness as the main problem.
And frankly, as far as professionalism goes, it's just Cutler and Joan left there. Peggy has lost her moorings; Roger's almost a hippy now; Lou is a career bureaucrat in disguise; Don is only looking for personal redemption. I pity the clients of this firm.
Quality post, here. :thumbsup:
I don't think that Shirley's fired. They can't fire them, remember?
I'm pretty sure she's working for Lou, now, so lucky her. :\
Just like Breaking Bad.
Kinda ridiculous, really. There's got to be some sort of financial reasoning behind it.
These half seasons are annoying. Only 3 more episodes left and I feel like nothing significant has happened.
I think there are kind of things wrong with the show this season. Don's current position is nonsensical. I didn't understand why he was thrown out of the agency in the first place, and I don't understand why he's the low man on the totem pole now. They're just making up circumstances in order to put him in a down-and-out role but it doesn't really make any sense.
I think there are kind of things wrong with the show this season. Don's current position is nonsensical. I didn't understand why he was thrown out of the agency in the first place, and I don't understand why he's the low man on the totem pole now. They're just making up circumstances in order to put him in a down-and-out role but it doesn't really make any sense.
Yes, both things don't make sense.
Don has pulled in numerous clients with his creativity and presentations. He has also been correct a few times in going against the majority when they have chosen to be disloyal to long time clients in the hope of landing larger clients.
While Don had been extra rude to the staff leading up to his dismissal, he had always been rude and they had gladly put up with it to keep him. Just losing Hershey, a company they didn't have should not have been enough to cause his dismissal.
Don literally built the company by saving Sterling Cooper and orchestrating the merger.
It would have seemed far more realistic to give Don a warning, or limit his contact with clients, or to just give him a couple of weeks suspension than what they did. What they did made no sense. They didn't fire him and told him he would be coming back in time. Yet, six months went by, while they were paying him, and they never brought him back.
Add the above to the sudden turn around in attitude of Joan towards Don for no apparent reason, and the disloyalty of both Bert and Ted, who Don allowed to take his place in California.
It really makes no sense and was just lazy story telling. They wanted Don to be away from work on suspension, then come back under stringent rules, but didn't bother to write the backstory believable, nor make the characters behaviors believable.
Don should have walked out when he found out that Roger had not discussed his coming back.
Yes, both things don't make sense.
Don has pulled in numerous clients with his creativity and presentations. He has also been correct a few times in going against the majority when they have chosen to be disloyal to long time clients in the hope of landing larger clients.
While Don had been extra rude to the staff leading up to his dismissal, he had always been rude and they had gladly put up with it to keep him. Just losing Hershey, a company they didn't have should not have been enough to cause his dismissal.
Don literally built the company by saving Sterling Cooper and orchestrating the merger.
It would have seemed far more realistic to give Don a warning, or limit his contact with clients, or to just give him a couple of weeks suspension than what they did. What they did made no sense. They didn't fire him and told him he would be coming back in time. Yet, six months went by, while they were paying him, and they never brought him back.
Add the above to the sudden turn around in attitude of Joan towards Don for no apparent reason, and the disloyalty of both Bert and Ted, who Don allowed to take his place in California.
It really makes no sense and was just lazy story telling. They wanted Don to be away from work on suspension, then come back under stringent rules, but didn't bother to write the backstory believable, nor make the characters behaviors believable.
Don should have walked out when he found out that Roger had not discussed his coming back.