Maine governor praises the Electoral College for keeping white people in power

[Bitek]

The real problem is you leftists making this about race.

You're the real racist.

 

[DarthKyrie]

I wouldn't mind a Red Dawn type war against Russia after how they fucked with us in the last decade, but civil war in America? No thx.

I know you'd rather it not happen but there may come a day when you may not have a choice in the matter, I'm not looking forward to it either.

 

[Juiblex]

Come on @Juiblex you can post a real reply. Refute the OP prove how it is incorrect.

I get it. All republicans are racist. All democrats are saints. That's why he got the zzzz. Yet i need to refute? I can't. It doesn't matter what i say.

 

[Ichinisan]

The real conservatives will come flooding in to condem LePage’s comment.


Any time now.



lol.

Those comments are disgusting.

 

[Jhhnn]

I get it. All republicans are racist. All democrats are saints. That's why he got the zzzz. Yet i need to refute? I can't. It doesn't matter what i say.

Not quite. LePage was term limited out.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Glad he's a former governor, what a dick

 

[Starbuck1975]

A conservative darling who just left office one month ago now let's out real Republican feelings. No need to hide it now.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ma...ople-in-power/ar-BBUdJ6A?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp

LePage’s comments are indefensible. There is nothing to discuss, and I don’t see anyone defending him.

Also, Maine and other pockets of New England, much like the rust belt, breeds an odd mix of blue dog Democrats that fell into the arms of Trump’s America first and immigration hardline rhetoric.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I wouldn't mind a Red Dawn type war against Russia after how they fucked with us in the last decade, but civil war in America? No thx.

So you want Russia and Cuba to invade America, lay siege to American cities and occupy large portions of it? You do realize that the character played by Patrick Swayze contemporarily would probably have an NRA and Trump sticker on the back of his pick-up truck.

 

[Indus]

So you want Russia and Cuba to invade America, lay siege to American cities and occupy large portions of it? You do realize that the character played by Patrick Swayze contemporarily would probably have an NRA and Trump sticker on the back of his pick-up truck.

If you remember they were united against an external enemy that wanted us to fight amongst ourselves compared to an internal enemy that wants part of us wiped out (ala Trumpanzees on fox/ infowars/ stormfront wanting civil war and the final solution).

But maybe you are right.. after Russians and Trump pumping adrenaline into the civil war vein on the right, it may well be time for us to divide the country so we don't have an actual civil war.

 

[Starbuck1975]

If you remember they were united against an external enemy that wanted us to fight amongst ourselves compared to an internal enemy that wants part of us wiped out (ala Trumpanzees on fox/ infowars/ stormfront wanting civil war and the final solution).

But maybe you are right.. after Russians and Trump pumping adrenaline into the civil war vein on the right, it may well be time for us to divide the country so we don't have an actual civil war.

I just found your choice odd. Red Dawn is the prototypical fantasy of Reagan’s America. I am pretty sure they send you a copy of it and Roadhouse when you join the NRA.

The internal enemy in Red Dawn was the mayor who chose to collaborate with the occupiers, and his son who betrayed his peers. The politicians were the enemy. It was an unsubtle swipe at pacifism.

 

[HomerJS]

I get it. All republicans are racist. All democrats are saints. That's why he got the zzzz. Yet i need to refute? I can't. It doesn't matter what i say.

Throw up the strawman to avoid answering the question. I had no idea you were that much of a coward.

 

[whm1974]

I just found your choice odd. Red Dawn is the prototypical fantasy of Reagan’s America. I am pretty sure they send you a copy of it and Roadhouse when you join the NRA.

The internal enemy in Red Dawn was the mayor who chose to collaborate with the occupiers, and his son who betrayed his peers. The politicians were the enemy. It was an unsubtle swipe at pacifism.

Well pacifism isn't very realistic given that violence is inherently part of live. Both Freedom and live do require violence from time to time to preserve them.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

The entire situation derives from racial identity -- period. The people in LePage's corner are less inclined to be in the human race, and more inclined to be "the white race". The argument that people of color symmetrically exhibit this racial identity obsession can be dismissed, simply by observing that African-Americans, before Civil Rights, just wanted to be treated as being in the human race. Aberrations, such as the Black Panthers in the '60s, were merely a reaction to white racism.

People will say I'm "white". I prefer "Caucasian", and I'll identify with people of color any day in the embrace of class-struggle and the defeat of tribalism and stupidity.

 

[kage69]

I wouldn't mind a Red Dawn type war against Russia after how they fucked with us in the last decade, but civil war in America? No thx.

I'll take this to mean you've never had anyone try to kill you (which I'm glad of). War sucks, it's why we prefer to take the fight to the enemy then do it around the clock.

A civil war in America would likely produce the same kind of result as a brutal military occupation: lots of dead Americans and plenty of suffering for those who aren't.

You should look at going to war like giving yourself an appendectomy. You'll do it if you have to, but let's make it a last or near last resort.

 

[Vic]

I get it. All republicans are racist. All democrats are saints. That's why he got the zzzz. Yet i need to refute? I can't. It doesn't matter what i say.

It would matter if you had the courage to condemn someone within your own party when they legitimately deserve condemnation. But you don't. Nor do most Republicans. You can't, because your unity is how a plurality maintains a political majority. But it's also why 'All republicans are racist,' as you said. But you shouldn't be so surprised to be judged by the company you keep. Especially when you do that to everyone else.

 

[HomerJS]

It would matter if you had the courage to condemn someone within your own party when they legitimately deserve condemnation. But you don't. Nor do most Republicans. You can't, because your unity is how a plurality maintains a political majority. But it's also why 'All republicans are racist,' as you said. But you shouldn't be so surprised to be judged by the company you keep. Especially when you do that to everyone else.

I believe @Juiblex did what is known as a cut and run. Yellow suits him

 

[HomerJS]

I didn't want to start a new thread on the Electoral College so necroed this one.

Jamie Raskin makes a good argument for eliminating the EC. And yes a Republican Governor wants to keep it so white people remain in power.

 

[Greenman]

The fellow said a lot of words, and never addressed why the electoral collage was put in place, or the reasons for it.

 

[Meghan54]

The fellow said a lot of words, and never addressed why the electoral collage was put in place, or the reasons for it.

And what were the reasons it was put in place?

 

[brycejones]

The fellow said a lot of words, and never addressed why the electoral collage was put in place, or the reasons for it.

The question has to be if it's good or bad today. Not the rational used 245 years ago. Do you really think a string of Presidents that were not the popular vote choice is a good place for a democracy to be in? Does that seem very democratic to you?

 

[fskimospy]

The fellow said a lot of words, and never addressed why the electoral collage was put in place, or the reasons for it.

The primary reason was that the slave states refused to sign on to any plan for direct, popular election of the president. The electoral college was the compromise solution to protect slavery by allowing southern states to count non-voting enslaved people in their states towards their number of electoral votes, effectively incorporating the 3/5ths compromise into presidential elections.

I generally think of slavery and protecting it as bad. What about this sordid history do you think helps the case for the electoral college?

 

[HomerJS]

The fellow said a lot of words, and never addressed why the electoral collage was put in place, or the reasons for it.

Same question as @Meghan54 why it was put in place?

Follow up, are those reasons legitimate today?

 

[Greenman]

Same question as @Meghan54 why it was put in place?

Follow up, are those reasons legitimate today?

The U.S. is composed of fifty states, a constitutional republic. The EC was put in place so that every state has a voice in electing the president. Each state can decide how they distribute their EC votes. The people don't elect the president, the states do. Our democracy happens at the state level by selecting congressional representatives.
The EC simply guarantees that every state has a voice in the election of the president.

And yes, these reasons are still valid today.

 

[fskimospy]

The U.S. is composed of fifty states, a constitutional republic.

There’s nothing about a constitutional republic that says anything about the direct election of the president.

The EC was put in place so that every state has a voice in electing the president. Each state can decide how they distribute their EC votes. The people don't elect the president, the states do. Our democracy happens at the state level by selecting congressional representatives.
The EC simply guarantees that every state has a voice in the election of the president.

And yes, these reasons are still valid today.

That is not why the EC was put into place. You don’t need to look any further than the debates when the constitution was being written.

The EC was put into place because the slave states would not agree to direct election of the president. Will you acknowledge this historical fact?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

The U.S. is composed of fifty states, a constitutional republic. The EC was put in place so that every state has a voice in electing the president. Each state can decide how they distribute their EC votes. The people don't elect the president, the states do. Our democracy happens at the state level by selecting congressional representatives.
The EC simply guarantees that every state has a voice in the election of the president.

And yes, these reasons are still valid today.

It ensures the PEOPLE don't have a fair say in the vote. That the few have voices that far exceed the many. It's an archaic and broken system.