Major drone attack cripples Saudi oil production

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IronWing

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A question for all that don't think Iran had anything to do with this attack.

Who did it and who masterminded it and why?
The "Why?" is simple; the House of Saud is waging a genocidal war against the people of Yemen. The Iranians are helping the people of Yemen so it is very likely that the drones were supplied by Iran. The shame here is that the U.S. is supporting the House of Saud, the very people who attacked us.
 
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pcgeek11

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The "Why?" is simple; the House of Saud is waging a genocidal war against the people of Yemen. The Iranians are helping the people of Yemen so it is very likely that the drones were supplied by Iran. The shame here is that the U.S. is supporting the House of Saud, the very people who attacked us.

So you agree that Iran is backing the attack or even maybe committed the attacks.
 

IronWing

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So you agree that Iran is backing the attack or even maybe committed the attacks.
Iran almost certainly supplied the weapons used against the Saudi agressors, yes. Beyond that, I have no basis for an opinion on the planning behind these attacks other than, "good show". If Iranians planned this attack, Trump should give them an f'in medal.
 
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woolfe9998

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I so look forward to the day when the entire world has reduced its dependence on this resource to minimal levels. This attack would not even have happened, and even if it did, the markets wouldn't get freaked out over it. Would largely allow us to wash our hands of the politics of the entire region.
 
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OccamsToothbrush

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The "Why?" is simple; the House of Saud is waging a genocidal war against the people of Yemen. The Iranians are helping the people of Yemen so it is very likely that the drones were supplied by Iran. The shame here is that the U.S. is supporting the House of Saud, the very people who attacked us.

Holy crap is that wrong.

The House of Saud is backing the legitimate government of Yemen against insurgents backed by Iran. Now you can debate the legitimacy of governments in that part of the world until the cows come home, but the semi-dictatorship of Yemen was ousted in an Arab Spring movement and a more moderate (read that as "west friendly") government took over. They had problems of course, any change of government in that part of the world is pretty much a civil war waiting to happen. The Iranians are backing the terrorists because they want a pro-west government out of that area and they want a more militant one on the border with Saudi Arabia to give the Saudi's something to worry about. Saudi Arabia is backing the moderate government because a) it is in fact the legal and legit one and b) yeah, they don't want Iran-backed militants on their border.

The Iranians are most assuredly not "helping the people of Yemen", that is perhaps the dumbest thing ever said here. This is a proxy war, Iranian-backed militants vs Saudi-backed moderates being fought in Yemen without the slightest regard for the people of Yemen on either side. It's Iran vs Saudi Arabia, they're just letting other people do the dying for them.
 
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IronWing

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Holy crap is that wrong.

The House of Saud is backing the legitimate government of Yemen against insurgents backed by Iran. Now you can debate the legitimacy of governments in that part of the world until the cows come home, but the semi-dictatorship of Yemen was ousted in an Arab Spring movement and a more moderate (read that as "west friendly") government took over. They had problems of course, any change of government in that part of the world is pretty much a civil war waiting to happen. The Iranians are backing the terrorists because they want a pro-west government out of that area and they want a more militant one on the border with Saudi Arabia to give the Saudi's something to worry about. Saudi Arabia is backing the moderate government because a) it is in fact the legal and legit one and b) yeah, they don't want Iran-backed militants on their border.

The Iranians are most assuredly not "helping the people of Yemen", that is perhaps the dumbest thing ever said here. This is a proxy war, Iranian-backed militants vs Saudi-backed moderates being fought in Yemen without the slightest regard for the people of Yemen on either side. It's Iran vs Saudi Arabia, they're just letting other people do the dying for them.
Bullshit. The "government" of Yemen, backed by the House of Saud, harbored Al Qaeda terrorists (also backed by the House of Saud). The Houthis, a home grown resistance movement, now backed by Iran, overthrew the terrorist-harboring, Saudi backed government. The Sauds then launched their genocidal war against the Houthis and anyone else who happens to live in Yemen. So we have the U.S. once again backing the very people who attack us. Even Congress couldn't stomach the stupidity of our policy and told Trump to stop supporting the Sauds' dirty little war.

Also, LOL at the idea of a Saudi-backed pro-western government.
 
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Jhhnn

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Line of sight is only needed to change instructions. A drone programmed to fly to a specific GPS point, drop a bomb, and return to a specific GPS point doesn't require line of sight.

I didn't realize that gps drones were commercially available. It doesn't really account for the issue of range, however, which is hundreds of miles. I'm sure the tech would be readily adaptable to longer range fixed wing drones of most any size.
 

Jaskalas

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Still, drones shouldnt get through. Many anti-drone systems developed over the years and should have prevented this from happening.

The existence of such technology is one thing. The deployment of it is quite another. Especially when you consider the SIZE of the area you need to protect. That is super expensive, and until a threat equally expensive is realized then drone defense just isn't going to "be" everywhere you need it to be. Regardless, this is going to raise the cost of oil.
 

woolfe9998

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Bullshit. The "government" of Yemen, backed by the House of Saud, harbored Al Qaeda terrorists (also backed by the House of Saud). The Houthis, a home grown resistance movement, now backed by Iran, overthrew the terrorist-harboring, Saudi backed government. The Sauds then launched their genocidal war against the Houthis and anyone else who happens to live in Yemen. So we have the U.S. once again backing the very people who attack us. Even Congress couldn't stomach the stupidity of our policy and told Trump to stop supporting the Sauds' dirty little war.

Also, LOL at the idea of a Saudi-backed pro-western government.

The Yemeni government has been fighting and arresting AQ for 10 years. You're probably referring to the fact that some believe Trump's raid in 2017 was a disaster because someone inside the government may have tipped them off. Which isn't the same thing as "the government" supporting AQ let alone harboring them.

Certain members of the House of Saud have supplied money and assistance to AQ in the past. But the Saudi government doesn't seem to support AQ. They've been attacked by AQ several times. This being the largest:


If you want to call the Saudi bombings of Yemen a "genocide" go ahead. That word used to have a very specific definition, but apparently not anymore. Be aware that by that standard, our bombings of both Germany and Japan in WWII were genocidex10 as they largely targeted civilian population centers. Who knows how many other bombing campaigns would suddenly be labeled genocides.

Finally, if you think Iran is in this to protect anyone, you're beyond naive. Any involvement by Iran is to gain geopolitical advantage over SA, nothing more. There are no white hats in any of this.
 
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K1052

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^

When AQ and related groups conduct operations in Saudi Arabia their chief targets are foreigners who they think shouldn't be there. Any Saudi casualties are just collateral damage.
 
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Puffnstuff

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Wait until some terrorist outfit gets a hold of one of their ag drones. I've flown their heli's in the past and was under the impression they were going under but they've regrouped and become drone focused.

 

K1052

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I think we should supply Iran with some weapons via air freight delivery.

Unless the US is willing to commit to essentially a full scale war with Iran this would not have the intended effect. Given the circumstances there is little public support for such a thing and the administration has an ENORMOUS credibility deficit because they've lied about so much for the last couple years.

I don't particularly blame the Iranians here (assuming they are responsible either directly or via the Houthis) since the Saudis and Israel got the US to abrogate the nuclear deal and try to strangle the country with no aim other than to inflict pain. We haven't even managed to articulate what we want from the Iranians because we don't actually want anything but to hurt the regime which is in any event very unlikely to fall.
 

pauldun170

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Just gonna repost my own damn post with relevant info
It covers the US reasoning for trying to bullshit you and I think everyone already knows that the Saudi's are plain old dicks when it comes to Yemen.



Additional


Every conflict requires arms suppliers
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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This thread illustrates the said fact that we cannot trust this admin to be honest with the American people.

It also illustrates why we shouldn't be involved in the middle east as it seems like no one knows what the hell is going on.
 
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IronWing

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Which bad guy do we pick? Choices choices
One bad guy directly attacked the United States, murdering 3,000 people and sponsors terrorism around the world. The other bad guy is Iran. We don't really need to pick either.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
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The Iranian regime is by no means good, in fact they are very bad in their treatment of their own people; they just aren't our enemies.

They're certainly no worse than our Saudi friends & much better in most respects. They also have the democratic institutions to allow for progress, something that absolute monarchies lack entirely.
 
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