Major drone attack cripples Saudi oil production

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IronWing

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They're certainly no worse than our Saudi friends & much better in most respects. They also have the democratic institutions to allow for progress, something that absolute monarchies lack entirely.
If you review my posts on the House of Saud, you'll find that their continued existence offends me. My attitude toward Iran is that we shouldn't go out of our way to be nice and we shouldn't go out of our way to be dicks to them.
 

Jhhnn

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It's clear that the Trump admin is lying. They released these photos, claiming the attack came from the north or the northeast-


Comparing that to Google earth, with proper orientation, the alleged damage actually occurred on the west side-


The question, of course, is if Trump believes the lies he's being fed or if he's complicit.
 

Muse

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Well maybe not from Best Buy but at B&H Photo you can buy a hybrid gas electric multi rotor drone with 12mile / 20km range and 1.5 hour flight time for $80,000.

Walkera who makes it supposedly has a bigger brother that ups the flight time 2 hours and 72km each with a couple of Kg of payload.

As you said Jhhnn add some high explosive and you’ve got a pretty formidable weapon to use against something already prone to exploding like a refinery.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/prod...500_20km_range_gas_electric_hybrid_drone.html

Ah, boys will be boys.
 

IronWing

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The stock market doesn't seem to be too concerned about escalation at this point.
 

amenx

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Not sure why some folks fail to see the global and strategic ramifications of the Saudi attack. Its NOT an attack on a U.S. regional ally that is at issue, but the implications of such an attack on the global economy. If it happened once, it can happen again (not just to the Saudis, but to other oil producers) with even more devastating consequences. Its even more of a potential nightmare if Trump does something stupid and escalates things with Iran. The whole region could go up in flames.
 

amenx

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Btw, something seems off with the damage photos. How can the damage holes in these tanks be at almost exactly the same angle, height and position?

 

Jhhnn

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Btw, something seems off with the damage photos. How can the damage holes in these tanks be at almost exactly the same angle, height and position?


It's called fakery, like the pic of the supposed unexploded limpet mine attached to the Kokaku Courageous.
 
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K1052

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Not sure why some folks fail to see the global and strategic ramifications of the Saudi attack. Its NOT an attack on a U.S. regional ally that is at issue, but the implications of such an attack on the global economy. If it happened once, it can happen again (not just to the Saudis, but to other oil producers) with even more devastating consequences. Its even more of a potential nightmare if Trump does something stupid and escalates things with Iran. The whole region could go up in flames.

It's almost like trying to collapse the Iranian economy because reasons is having consequences.
 
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amenx

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I actually think this was a brazen attack by Iran. And timed precisely just after Boltons dismissal and Trump hinting he may meet with the Iranian leader for discussions. Such an attack would give the Iranians tremendous leverage if a meeting were to take place, ie, with their main objective of lifting the crippling sanctions against Iran. The U.S. NOW knows that Iran can really, REALLY mess up the region. Remember, its not just Saudi, but other top oil producers all clustered near one another in the Gulf and within Irans striking range.

In short, Irans message would be, 'you wanna fuck with us and our economy, we'll take down your economy (and the worlds) along with us'.
 

dainthomas

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So you agree that Iran is backing the attack or even maybe committed the attacks.

If they did, they wouldn't be in the wrong. MBS & Co are bombing buses full of children with weapons supplied by the US. And they're doing things like that daily or weekly. Nothing but crickets from the pro-life crowd.
 

CZroe

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If anybody but a Bush had been President on 9/11, this would have been an American action on 9/12. Good for the Houthis for standing against the font of Islamic terrorism.
What Islamic terrorist attack in Yemen or Iran prompted this?

You have no evidence to support that claim. It's also perfectly obvious that we're arming the aggressor here, the Saudis.

Not defending the Saudi's for their part but you and I have different definitions of "aggressor."

Tec from the US drone the Iranians reverse engineered?
I also immediately thought of the RQ-170 incident.

Still, drones shouldnt get through. Many anti-drone systems developed over the years and should have prevented this from happening.


I guess that should be a wake up call not just for the Saudis, but for any country seeking to protect its vital economic facilities and infrastructure.
Maybe they got more stealth tech out of the RQ-170 than we give them credit for.

Maybe. They'd need to be launched not too far from the target because they depend on line of sight communication. That's a long way over some truly forbidding desert from Houthi controlled Yemen. Hundreds of miles.
Would you assume that any drone attack from the USA was remote-controlled from the USA? Yemen doesn't have boats? If they were servicing the USS Cole in 2000 then I imagine they have a fleet of them.

Besides, half the reason we call them "drones" is because they can do a lot of their work autonomously without remote control, which is how Iran captured our RQ-170. They jammed the military version of GPS it was using to navigate autonomously then fed it false coordinates so it thought it was returning to a base in Afghanistan when, in reality, they were steering it to their own airfield. Would've been a soft landing too except Iran's airfield was several meters below the altitude the drone was expecting. Even consumer drones have a lot of automation including following, homing, auto-landing, programmed routes, etc. Commercial drones are going to be even more configurable.

The "Why?" is simple; the House of Saud is waging a genocidal war against the people of Yemen. The Iranians are helping the people of Yemen so it is very likely that the drones were supplied by Iran. The shame here is that the U.S. is supporting the House of Saud, the very people who attacked us.
This rhetoric is laugh-out-loud ridiculous. Even Usama bin Laden's ethnically-Yemeni family became rich and successful as Saudi's within Saudi Arabia. The House of Said must be pretty incompetent if they can't even pull off this "genocide" in their own country.

This attempt to implicate the Saudi's more than they were in terrorist attacks against the West is purely political. To also claim that they want to genocidally exterminate Yemeni's is beyond laughable. Tell me again that the hijackers were Saudi and I'll tell you "so was ethnically-Yemeni Usama bin Laden even though he was not allowed back in the country." Completely destroys your unjustifiably racial hyperbole.

One bad guy directly attacked the United States, murdering 3,000 people and sponsors terrorism around the world. The other bad guy is Iran. We don't really need to pick either.
Ugh. You've taken a hyperbolic interpretation of our imperfect relationship with the Saudi's to it's ridiculous conclusion. Good job.

SA != AQ

The founder was specifically forced to leave the country and never return, which is a big reason why he took refuge with The Taliban.

Never go full r*tard.

Btw, something seems off with the damage photos. How can the damage holes in these tanks be at almost exactly the same angle, height and position?


Because the attack was launched from really far away. Military drones can do those from really high and really far.

It's called fakery, like the pic of the supposed unexploded limpet mine attached to the Kokaku Courageous.
Warning: P&N loves mocking conspiracy theorists.
 

woolfe9998

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Jhhnn

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I actually think this was a brazen attack by Iran. And timed precisely just after Boltons dismissal and Trump hinting he may meet with the Iranian leader for discussions. Such an attack would give the Iranians tremendous leverage if a meeting were to take place, ie, with their main objective of lifting the crippling sanctions against Iran. The U.S. NOW knows that Iran can really, REALLY mess up the region. Remember, its not just Saudi, but other top oil producers all clustered near one another in the Gulf and within Irans striking range.

In short, Irans message would be, 'you wanna fuck with us and our economy, we'll take down your economy (and the worlds) along with us'.

That's ridiculous. I don't think Iran has any intention of negotiating until we live up to the JCPOA, no matter what our bloviator in chief has to say. Bolton being gone doesn't really change anything. He & Pompeo were thick as thieves & Bolton's hand picked guy, Kupperman, is the acting NSA. Their hand picked guy is still in charge of CENTCOM.

Is there some part of Lying that you don't understand? It's exactly what we've been getting from the Trump admin every inch of the way with their contrived hokum of Threats! & Tensions! I rather suspect that's what's at stake with the suppressed IC whistleblower information denied Congress.
 

amenx

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Terrorists sponsored by the House of Saud murdering 3,000 Americans is now considered, "our imperfect relationship".
You know (or probably not) that one of Qaeda's top priorities (then and now) is the overthrow of the House Of Saud. So what you just said makes zero sense.
 

Jhhnn

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The US has assessed that the attack on Saudi oil facilities originated inside Iran


This is not good. True or not, it looks like an excuse for war to protect Trump's business interests American security.

Shit talking assholes. What sources? See #52, above.
 

IronWing

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You know (or probably not) that one of Qaeda's top priorities (then and now) is the overthrow of the House Of Saud. So what you just said makes zero sense.
Al Qaeda was funded by the House of Saud and the House of Saud continues to fund the global madrasa system that cranks out Wahhabi nutjobs that fill Al Qaeda's (and ISIS) ranks. Saudi Arabia is despotic monarchy with a well advanced surveillance state yet we are to believe that Saud subjects and funds can continue to flow into Al Qaeda without the blessing of the House of Saud?
 
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K1052

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The US has assessed that the attack on Saudi oil facilities originated inside Iran


This is not good. True or not, it looks like an excuse for war to protect Trump's business interests American security.

Eh...I doubt Trump wants a war if his priority is keeping oil prices down which seems to be the case.
 

woolfe9998

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Shit talking assholes. What sources? See #52, above.

I don't trust anyone involved. Not Iran, not SA, and certainly not the current US gov. The problem here isn't the reality. It's how this can be used. If we're telling countries in the region that Iran did this, maybe we're hoping they'll bomb Iran for us. Anyway you look at it, it can be used as a pretext for war.
 
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