It's like you slept right through the buildup to Iraq. Bloody amazing.
More evidence points to Iranian cruise missiles, drones
Technical details emerge from pieces of the cruise missiles and drones. Long story short, the ordinance used in this attack does NOT have the range to originate from Yemen.
Do tell me, was Iraq attacking vessels in the Straits of Hormuz, was Iraq bombing other nations and shutting down 5% of the world's oil supply?
I do not see Colin Powell providing a false presentation. I see ships taken and oil fields burning. How the hell is that the same as Iraq?
It's not our problem. If the Sauds can't handle their own shit, after decades of U.S. provided arms and training, f'em.Do tell me, was Iraq attacking vessels in the Straits of Hormuz, was Iraq bombing other nations and shutting down 5% of the world's oil supply?
I do not see Colin Powell providing a false presentation. I see ships taken and oil fields burning. How the hell is that the same as Iraq?
Do tell me, was Iraq attacking vessels in the Straits of Hormuz, was Iraq bombing other nations and shutting down 5% of the world's oil supply?
I do not see Colin Powell providing a false presentation. I see ships taken and oil fields burning. How the hell is that the same as Iraq?
The attacks on the ships could easily have been contrived black ops bullshit. I suspect that they were.
I don’t think it’s likely that US black ops hit Saudi oil on purpose, even if MBS was in on it. That seems like InfoWars level conspiracy bullshit.
Far more likely (relatively, but still very low probability) are the Saudis orchestrating an attack in order to prevent Iranian sanctions relief/JCPOA 2.0 and to drag the US into armed conflict with Iran. This fits with MBS prior MO (see what happened with Qatar in 2017) and the timing of the attack just as we hear Trump Admin and Iran are negotiating on sanctions is suspect. I don’t buy the “launching an attack gives us negotiation leverage” bullshit—that might be some Taliban-level logic but the Iranians are smarter.
Losing half of your oil production for a few weeks is nothing compared to what they’ll get back in terms of military aid, contracts and fees for upgrading bases, defenses and housing more US troops for the next 20-30 years.
Do tell me, was Iraq attacking vessels in the Straits of Hormuz, was Iraq bombing other nations and shutting down 5% of the world's oil supply?
I do not see Colin Powell providing a false presentation. I see ships taken and oil fields burning. How the hell is that the same as Iraq?
You forget that at his core he's still a righty. Granted he's a woke righty but he's still a righty. At the core of a righty is their desire to get revenge for 9/11 and they will back any attack on the middle east regardless of their connection to 9/11. Believing a president unquestionably, who holds similar mental deficiencies, is a matter of patriotism to them.
9/11 and I'm sure moonbeam can speak to this, shook the conservative mental fear centers so badly that it damaged their perception of reality itself.
I wish the media wasn't so gung-ho when it comes to war. They let the US down w/ the Iraq war. The news conference today on aid to Saudi Arabia was just weird. It seemed the military doesn't fully believe it was Iran. The media needs to step up and do some REAL reporting. Too many actors in the middle wast looking to drag us into war.
War is good for business, including mainstream media. People love to watch big explosions on their tv screens.
The Iranians shouldn't have attacked their assets.Well, looks like troops are being deployed to Saudi Arabia.
The Iranians shouldn't have attacked their assets.
U.S. to deploy troops to help with Saudi Arabia's defense
President Trump has approved the deployment of U.S. forces that will be defensive in naturewww.cbsnews.com
Heh. That's what's known as a token deployment. The truth is that nobody can say where the attack originated because it wasn't even detected by radar. Small drones & cruise missiles are designed to be very hard to detect with radar. They don't have to pack much punch, either, when the targets are as flammable as oil & gas facilities.
It's a wake up call to all our friends in the Persian Gulf- The US can't protect you. Don't let them talk you into doing something really stupid. They just called Trump's bluff.
American troops being used as human shields for a dictator's cash cow.
Heh. That's what's known as a token deployment. The truth is that nobody can say where the attack originated because it wasn't even detected by radar. Small drones & cruise missiles are designed to be very hard to detect with radar. They don't have to pack much punch, either, when the targets are as flammable as oil & gas facilities.
It's a wake up call to all our friends in the Persian Gulf- The US can't protect you. Don't let them talk you into doing something really stupid. They just called Trump's bluff.
The military hardware they have is mainly for conventional air/land attacks. There are air defense systems focused along the gulf and to the south, but not sure how effective they can be vs low flying cruise missiles. The area to the north of the Abqaiq/Khurais facilities, where the least expected threats may emanate from, were not adequately defended. This and other weak areas I believe are where U.S. forces are heading, to establish better defenses against drone/cruise missile threats. This is not a large scale battle plan like in the last couple gulf wars.Since apparently the Saudis are either unable or too lazy to protect their own vital facilities with the ocean of military hardware they've bought from us I guess this is the response. Anyway I doubt Iran would try they same exact thing again, they seem more innovative than a lot of people gave them credit for.
This one is on the Saudis (MBS) and Israel for pressing the US to crack down on Iran. They got what they wanted but turns out there are consequences. Really I'd have little confidence that the Saudis can actually do much of anything with their big shiny military. If they did get into a war with the Iranians they'd quickly bungle it and scream for our intervention.
Since apparently the Saudis are either unable or too lazy to protect their own vital facilities with the ocean of military hardware they've bought from us I guess this is the response. Anyway I doubt Iran would try they same exact thing again, they seem more innovative than a lot of people gave them credit for.
The military hardware they have is mainly for conventional air/land attacks. There are air defense systems focused along the gulf and to the south, but not sure how effective they can be vs low flying cruise missiles. The area to the north of the Abqaiq/Khurais facilities, where the least expected threats may emanate from, were not adequately defended. This and other weak areas I believe are where U.S. forces are heading, to establish better defenses against drone/cruise missile threats. This is not a large scale battle plan like in the last couple gulf wars.
Why put their money, hardware and people at risk when dumbass Trumpistan will do it for you?
This my impression too. So basically many countries, even those as well equipped as the Saudis face a similar dilemma. The difference is, the Iranians being in the middle of a target rich region can create much more havoc than others.There's basically no defense against small terrain hugging drones & cruise missiles other than close in computer guided gunnery as employed by our Navy. They're invisible to radar until they get very close & are difficult to detect even then. In a real war, radar installations would obviously be among the first targets.